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BMW 7-Series 2006 and earlier

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  • 92735i92735i Posts: 25
    Ok...I'm bitting the bullet...ordered my new 2004, black on black 745i. Gonna do the BMW Performance Center delivery in S. Carolina.

    I am leasing so if this baby bugs out...no problem, they get the car back.

    Giving my trusty 1992 735i , beautiful white/tan, 174k miles, running like brand new, to my son.

    It was between a nice 2001 740i w sport package for $35k with 35,000 miles or a new 745i.

    The payment over 36 months is about equal...no brainer.

    I was totally impressed by the 740i...I got to test drive it alone...no salesman...the car is now deemed 'broken in', heheheheh!.

    Great car....have not driven the 745...first time I buy a car without a test drive. All I hear is how much better it is than the 740....hard to believe, can't wait.
  • lovemyclklovemyclk Posts: 351
    A major challenge faced by the luxury makes such as BMW, MB, Audi, Jag, etc. is and will be achieving quality goals in year 1 of production. Remarkable complexity is the name of the game today... and getting unit 1 off the production line with the quality expected at unit 10,000 can only be achieved with a passion for perfection.

    At this time, Lexus(Toyota) is the only luxury marque with the relentless pursuit of excellence as a corporate "mantra". "Getting it right" the 1st time is part of their corporate being.

    Their challenge has been a lack of design and performance passion, not a manufacturing passion. This all stems from their lean manufacturing orientation that has driven them for decades... and still drives them.

    My personal experience with lean manufacturing tells me that it can make a dramatic impact... witness the dramatically improved J.D. Power scores for Jaguar! They have made substantive improvements in their manufacturing and product launch processes by applying elements of lean mfg. Still not at the level of Lexus, but certainly a world apart from where they were 5-10 years ago.

    The Germans have focused on design and engineering excellence, which often translates into complexity. If they figure out how to marry the best of lean mfg with their ability to engineer the finest performance vehicles on the planet, look out!

    Without a major dissertation on lean... just consider that each generation of Toyota passes approx 70 percent of its content to the next generation. Camry's today have feature content from prior Lexus models. Corolla's today have panel fits and feature content from prior upline models.

    From f1buick's comments above, you may never see a Lexus LS with 5 relays used in the operation of headlights! They would anticipate the maintenance problems. In fact, one might suppose the greatest asset of Lexus/Toyota to be manufacturing excellence... insiders might differ and say that "problem-solving" by the real "value-adder" employee is their greatest asset!

    I say all this as an extremely passionate 2003 BMW 530 SP owner. BMW got this platform right. The challenge is getting the 1st unit of the 1st model year for a new platform right from the start. If the new 7 was built to Lexus standards, we'd all possibly forgive Bangle (well, maybe!) a bit just to enjoy the faultless joy of driving a fabulous car designed to perform unlike any other in its category.

    I often use a quote from Peter Drucker when assessing today's automotive manufacturing challenge... "An innovation, to be effective, has to be simple and has to be focused. It should do only one thing, otherwise, it confuses. All effective innovations are breathtakingly simple. Indeed, the greatest praise an innovation can receive is for people to say: This is obvious. Why didn't I think of it?"

    The concept of iDrive is easy to understand, but the execution has been poor. "It confuses". Let's hope BMW will not take 3+ years to figure this out!
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Posts: 9,359
    ...... He's probably not too far off depending on the miles, options and the condition .. if he's leasing it, then all he has to do is look at the residual and that will give him a pretty good idea what that "buy" figure might be ...

              The resales on the new 7's are weaker than pond water .. 02 745Li's with all the stuff and miles in the 12/15k range are only doing "around" that $50kish range for trade/auction $$, that's pretty sad for a vehicle that had an MSRP of $80ish+ 18 months ago ...

                          Terry.
  • I am trying to find out some information about this model BMW. Looking for comments on years made - supposed to be a 1989 model but I cannot locate - think it was earlier. It is a 4 dr. V-8. I have driven a MBenz for quite a few years but considering a change
  • f1buickf1buick Posts: 45
    regarding tire rotation, BMW does not recommend tire rotation on any of its cars, as far as I know. I'm not sure why.

    Tire mfg's, on the other hand, generally insist on tire rotation if you want to maintain the mileage warranty.

    Regarding a "720iL" V8, there is not and never has been such a car. The last two digits indictate the engine's liter displacement, i.e., a 745 has a 4.5 liter engine. A 720 would have a 2.0 liter engine. The only 2.0 liter BMW engine is a 4 cylinder.

    Back in the early 80's you could get a 720 in Europe--a full sized sedan with the tiny 2.0 liter 4 cylinder engine. Never made it to the US for obvious reasons.

    Only 1989 7 series models were the 735 six cyl and the 750 v12.

    warning: the 1993-1995 740 V8 had a "nikasil" engine which was defective. Avoid this car unless the engine has been replace with an "alusil" engine. don't trust the dealer to properly inform you on this issue.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    "warning: the 1993-1995 740 V8 had a "nikasil" engine which was defective. Avoid this car unless the engine has been replace with an "alusil" engine. don't trust the dealer to properly inform you on this issue."

    Wow.....that's reassuring! I thought this kind of stuff only happened to Oldsmobile,,,
  • f1buickf1buick Posts: 45
    In an earlier post someone said BMW sweeps the big problems under the rug. Nikasil was one of them. Eventually, BMW was forced to extend the warranty to 6yrs/100,000 miles, but that warranty now is gone and a lot of engines never were fixed.

    The problem is that the cylinder walls corroded in the presence of high-sulpher US fuels. Lots of used car dealers out there are selling nikasil V8 740's, asking top dollar and not even aware of the problem.

    1995-98 Jag V8 has the same problem, but apparently to much less of a degree.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Hmmmm, I thought the Jag V-8 came out in 98. No?
  • f1buickf1buick Posts: 45
    you may be correct. 1995 was clearly wrong on my part. can't recall if the v8 came out in 98 or 97, so now I'm mixed up on whether the 99 v8 is nikasil. a jag expert would know more. I'm sure the 1998 has the problem because one of my friends has a 98 XK8. apparently the plastic guides for the timing chain also are suspect on the early v8's (his literally blew apart a couple months ago, but fortunately there was no collateral valvetrain damage).
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Well, ok then, I will definitely steer clear of the 98 either way. Thanks.
  • >> The problem is that the cylinder walls corroded in the presence of high-sulpher US fuels. Lots of used car dealers out there are selling nikasil V8 740's, asking top dollar and not even aware of the problem.

    Threads like this are a good example of how misinformation gets spread around on these boards and eventually accepted by many as truth.

    There was a problem with the 1995 4.0L and high-sulphur fuel in some southeastern states. Here in California the problem is non-existent. Yet, dealers and private sellers are asking anything BUT top dollar. They are practically giving away 1995/1996 740-series.

    Any 1995 740 that has not had Nikasil-related engine problems to this date never will. A clean, well-running '95 could be the ultimate 740-series bargain.
  • f1buickf1buick Posts: 45
    well, misinformation certainly gets spread around all right. Where did you get yours?

    The Nikasil V8 was intoduced in 1993 and infected all 1993 and 1994 e32 v8's. BMW extended the warranty on all of these cars to 100,000 miles and 6 years. I can personally vouch for that because when I shopped a 1993 V8 in 1997 the salesman made a big deal about the extended warranty, and the service manger quietly warned me away from the V8 because of the known, nikasil issue.

    Yet somehow you think the problem was limited to 1995.

    as for the idea that it is limited to the southeast, I personally know people in the Northwest whose V8 blocks were replaced under warranty due to nikasil corrosion of the cylinder walls. Or maybe BMW was just giving away free engine blocks for the heck of it?

    more info on the problem can be found at numerous web sites which, unfortunately, Edmunds will not let me give links to ("competing" sites). I'll just say that on one very active BMW 7-series board, we get at least one poor fool a month who just bought a nikasil 740 and now is realizing that rough idle will not be fixed by a "tune up."

    Whether a 4.0 block is nikasil or alusil can be determined by examining the serial number. Due to the link problem, any interest person will have to Google for a list of serial numbers to stay away from.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    So THAT's the reason for the rough idle, eh?
  • I have a 1994 BMW 740iL that I have owned for 7 years with the original Nikasil V8 engine. It currently has 60,000 miles on it with no hint of idle problems associated with sulfur in the fuel damage to cylinders of this particular engine alloy. I have always used AMOCO - now BP - Ultimate premium fuel because of it's low sulfur content. I live in Iowa. I personally think that a Nikasil V8 engine that has lasted this long with no idle/compression problems probably will last OK into the future because the fuel refiners are reducing the sulfur content in the fuel more and more under federal regulations as time goes on.

    Any other opinions on this?
  • Whemme, thanks for asking. I've got an opionion on the Ultimate Driving machine. It constantly amazes me that BMW can get away with this and more (plastic in the thermostat area, bad radiators, extreme tendency to alignment/vibration problems, tendency to overheat and crack heads, horrendous repair expenses, maintenance schedules that only a C130 crew chief could relate to, the obsessive-compulsive suggested frequency of changing fluids that American V8s run with for their entire 150K mile life) and still sell these things.

    If this were an American car line, New York's Elliot Spitzer would have them in court once Martha vacated a court room. And I write this as a former 7 Series owner who had good experiences!

    As an aside, I spoke with a fellow tonight about his new 7 Series. I fully expected a blast about i Drive. Rather than knock it, he dismissed with it as just something that you get used to using. His big complaint was the overly gimmicky features of the car that resulted in all new control settings when he picked it up after dealer service. He continued on about the tendency for i Drive to reset his radio settings, the lack of a solid feel with the controls (he constantly leaves his left turn signal on for the first time in his life), and all the other gimmicks that annoy as opposed to impress. Wow! He wasn't a happy camper in his 80K soap box. As we both left the athletic club parking lot with the snow coming down heavily I suspect he would have been far happier in a Denali or AWD Volvo for a lot less money and aggravation. Maybe these aren't the Ultimate Driving machines but you can get home in them in New England on a February night.
  • wrote "I personally think that a Nikasil V8 engine that has lasted this long with no idle/compression problems probably will last OK into the future because the fuel refiners are reducing the sulfur content in the fuel more and more under federal regulations as time goes on."

    I think you probably are right. It still is more than possible, however, to pick up a 4.0 liter BMW V8 that has NOT been carefully shielded from low-sulpher fuel, and it is hard to tell exactly what they are selling down at the local Quicky-Mart on a given day. Therefore, a 4.0 liter BMW V8 has an element of risk associated with it which is not found in other automobiles.

    The 4.4 liter V8 and all V12's are Alusil motors which do not have the sulpher corrosion problem.

    I'll also note that the particular Nikasil formulation used on the 4.0 liter BMW V8 seems to have been particularly susceptible to sulpher corrosion and that other Nikasil engines (e.g., Porsche and Jaguar) are not nearely as "at risk" as the BMW.
  • Hello,

    I am in the process of buying a 1984 733I, but I want alittle more history on the 733I itself. I can't seem to find any comments on this vehicle. Is there anyone out there to direct me to website that can tell me the original sticker price for this vehicle. It seems I should be able to find something.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,850
    The 733i is a variation of the original 7 series introduced by BMW in 1977. The 733i was the only 7 series available in the USA until late 1984 when the 735i came out.

    List price was about $37,000 without options.

    Graham Robson has a nice book out on the History of the 7 series which you can buy for $22 from Amazon:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1861264399/104-5259- 879-4157568?v=glance

    I'm sure that a search on Google using the keywords "History of the BMW 7 Series" will get you to parts outlets and forums.

    Also be sure you have this car checked out thoroughly prior to purchase as they can be expense to repair relative to their market value, which is not very high at the moment. So be sure you pay a fair price as well. Very often parts can be found on Ebay, I have very good luck there--if one is patient.

    Good luck with it.

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  • peakspeaks Posts: 1
    Does anyone know if the 1997 740iL garage door opener could be set for the revolving code door openers?
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    I've noticed that the 2001 740il has 2 different dash layouts -- one with a small squarish navigation screen and one with a much larger rectangular screen. They seem to be the same year car (2001) and the same model (740il).

    Are there different dashboard layouts for this car or am I missing something here?

    Thanks for your help!!
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    For most cars I've noticed that to program the "revolving code" type openers you have to first program the garage remote to one of the buttons on the car, then go up to the opener itself and press a little black button that turns on a flashing red light next to it (the black button is usually hidden next to the light bulb on the opener). While that red light is flashing (around 15 seconds till it stops) you have to press the button you just programmed on the car from one to five times until the garage door opens or closes.

    Sounds complicated I know, but pretty easy once you've done it a couple of times.

    I hope this helps.. good luck.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    It's enormously complicated, and sometimes tough to do alone, ladders required and all, but I can testify, it does work. I have 2 garages, and both are programmed in. What I can't get to work, is the gate to the community button. I guess it's because I can't get to the rotating code button on the opener. But my niece has her Lincoln LS programmed to open her gate where she lives...... I gave up on the gate.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    I know we're veering out of 7 series talk but just a quick note on opening gates... I had a similar problem with my community gate.. it turns out I had to change the battery on the clicker to get a "stronger" signal to the homelink system in the car.. now it opens just fine. Also, depending on the system, many times you might have to continuously hold down the homelink button and get REAL close to the gate to open it.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I may give 'er another go.
  • Interested in 95 740i with 240k at 6,500.00 is there anything I should be looking out for, and is this a good deal? Thanks
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,850
    Miles are too high. I'd bail on that one. One major repair and you are in the car double the money. Statistically at least, the car has reached the end of its life. If it's the world's cleanest and you simply must have it no matter what, offer about $4,000 tops. It's too high priced for that mileage. You'd be better off paying $10K and getting something with "normal miles", around 120K.

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  • Friend is selling a 92 750il with 140,000 miles. In good shape, well maintained, regular service. Am I crazy to even consider, regardless of purchase price?
  • I am trying to decide betweeen 745i and A8 base versions. New lease in area for 745 with no options is $789 for 36months, 10000 miles, nothing down, taxes/title not included. Any thoughts on the 2 cars or the lease. Thanks
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,589
    It's going to cost $28.4K+ to drive the car for 3 years. + taxes and fees. Considering the car's depreciation, etc., it doesn't sound like a great deal to me.
  • davieboy1davieboy1 Posts: 14
    Thanks for the answer. The idrive and previous posts on the 745i bother me. Does anyone have any thoughts about the A8 or another car for a sedan to replace an suv
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