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Chevrolet Cavalier



  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    he could have had a Neon!

    j/k ;)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    You're missing my point. The recall campaign from Chevrolet INSTRUCTS -- do you hear me? INSTRUCTS the service departments in ALL DEALERSHIPS -- NOT JUST MINE -- to re-use the old head bolts. If you didn't go to the NHTSA web site and read the Consumer Complaints section yet, you need to. Then you'll see how many folks are going through this. The recall doesn't fix the problem. It's a temporary "band-aid" fix to save money. Go and read it -- it's not just me, my friend! (I haven't even complained to NHTSA -- so in the theme of your statement that there are gazillions of happy Cav owners out there, I'll charge that the several dozen who have complained to NHTSA represent quite a few more unhappy customers.)

    I wish you luck with your Cavalier. And I hope you get rid of it early unless you want a maintenance nightmare on your hands. This will be my last post about this; I have all the proof I need sitting in my driveway and on NHTSA's web site. Did you watch Dateline NBC last night? Did you see how NHTSA's now in trouble with Congress for not doing anything about all the consumer complaints about Ford Explorers losing their tires? Now Ford's on the hot seat along with Firestone. I have a feeling NHTSA's going to become a lot more accountable in the coming months.

    Just remember what I said. If you keep your Cavalier a few years, this discussion will come back to you.

  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    It's too bad about your Cavalier, but I'm sure we are not all going to face the same problems. Now correct me if I'm wrong but, you have't paid for any of these repairs so I'm thinking GM has taken care of you. While it is a pain to deal with, you will have a car that works in the end.
  • I understand that the problem with your head gasket is real, yes I know about the issue. What I am saying is that this is not the case for evry single 2.2 out there. And yes there are far more happy Cavalier owners that the ones that complain. Far more people buy another Cavalier when they are ready for a trade in than the ones that don't. It's a fact. I'm really sorry to hear that you are having this problem but believe me look up the NHTSA data for the 1994 Chevy Berretta and look at the complaints. I was told the same thing about me Beretta but guess what that was a trouble free, I repeat, TROUBLE FREE car. In my years of owning Chevies none of them have failed me and our Cavalier is one happy car. It's economical on gas, fun to drive, gets us from A to B with no hasle. Sorry your car gave your trouble but just because your car is a lemon and the ones in the NHTSA are lemons ( also keep in mind tons of those complaints are repeats or duplicates ) doesn't mean the whole car nameplate is bad, after all they are Chevies best selling car. Oh and before you give me the whole fleet thing ( really it sounds like a scratched 45) go to and check the sales figures, those DO NOT include fleet sales. So stop complaining GM is fixing your car without you having to pay a penny, get over it.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    The A/C and power steering stuff I paid myself to the tune of $300, even after the Chevy guys admitted that it was caused by the way these hoses were mounted so that they contacted the serpentine belt WHEN THE CAR WAS MANUFACTURED. And even though we had taken the car in three times under warranty to complain about a squeaky belt -- each time they thought it was the belt and replaced it. Turned out it was squeaking because it was rubbing on other engine components! I called Chevy's 800 number, hoping to find someone who could help, and they basically told me, TOUGH LUCK since you're 3,000 miles out of warranty. They wouldn't listen to the fact that we'd been complaining about it since day one.

    And I was told Thursday that if any more head bolts break, they won't cover them. Nothing like generating nice, closed-ended comments like that to guarantee repeat business. You know, when my 1994 Mazda truck started having pre-detonation problems at 52,000 miles (2,000 miles out of warranty), they stood behind it and covered it under warranty. I met with Mazda factory reps who came to my dealership from Maryland to meet ME and discuss my vehicle's problem. They kept working on the problem until resolving it two years later at 98,000 miles, and none of the work ever cost me a CENT. They paid for loaner cars (sometimes up to a week), a head check and resurfacing, new intake manifold, new engine computer, new oxygen sensors, new ignition module -- quite a hefty bill -- all after my original warranty had expired. That's one reason I'm driving a 2000 Mazda now -- even though I had a Mazda "lemon" (built by Ford, actually), they treated me right -- at the corporate AND dealership levels -- and won my repeat business.

    My 1988 HYUNDAI EXCEL (hey, I was in college and needed a cheap car) lost its transmission 4,000 miles out of warranty. Hyundai offered to (and did) pay HALF of the $800 cost of the repair.

    You know, there are ways to keep customers, and there are ways to lose customers. My profession is marketing (not for a car company). Chevrolet, in my opinion, at both the corporate and dealership level, has a long way to go before I'll ever consider being their customer again. And I will preach my hatred of their corporation and our dealership until they prove otherwise.

    Wouldn't you do the same if YOU bought a product that broke down all the time, and the manufacturer AND service people wouldn't stand behind it? Don't fault me and say "tough to be you" for acting like any normal person would. And I'm not fretting over it -- you seem to think I'm sitting here crying in my Corn Flakes. These forums are for sharing ideas and experiences, and I'm sharing mine. I've made my decision. No more Chevrolet products!

  • Tough to be you. Sounds like you just buy bad cars. God only knows what you do to the cars. If I were Chevy and you were 3,000 miles out of warranty I would also say "Tough luck". Really feel bad for you but oh well. I had my hood re painted because I scratched it myself brushing snow off the hood. I brushed a whole chunk of ice off of it and scratch it from the beginnig to the very end of the hood, one long nasty line. I was out of the 12,000 warranty for the paint defects but when I went to the dealership I told them the story and they didn't even bother to call Chevy, they just filled out a warranty claim and painted the hood and the front fenders ( color matching technique) for free. I gave them a nice Thank you and when i walked out they said " anytime Mr. gonzalez just bring her back if you are not happy with the paint job or if you find any defects". Chevy and their dealership have stood behind the product in every case ( had the hood cable snap on my Beretta when it had 38,000 miles and they replaced it at no cost). You just sound like the kind that goes to the service department with attitude written all over you. If I were the dealership I wouldn't even bother fixing it. Remember, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar and that is true.....
    Good luck with your next car when it breaks down, sound slike a pattern of bad cars. Really though, better luck next time.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Wow, you have a lot of car problems.

    All I can say is, $300 into a 6 year old car isn't much. They have fixed everything and you have a working car. Speculating that something else will go wrong is pointless as the car is getting up in years. They can't warranty the product indefinitely. I don't think you have a lot to complain about. Don't buy another Chevy.. be happy.

    BTW.. Ford and Mazda are basically the same company.
  • Also, I just want to make it clear that I am not saying that you are lying or anything. I believe everything you have said, all I am saying is try a different approach, sometimes it really helps. I don't wanna sound like I'm attacking you just giving you a different point of view. Good Luck!

    PS: Sounds like you are more concerned with excellent service. In this area no one beats Saturn. Try trading the Cavalier for a Saturn SL their service will take your breath away. The dealership by my house cleans and vaccums the cars when they are done servicing them and as an added touch of care they leave a mint on your dashboard. Execllent service, try that brand and you might find what you are looking for. Good luck!
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I broke a head bolt brushing snow off my car.

    I busted a power steering pump and a/c line because I was breathing too hard.

    No, gentlemen ... I had these problems because I bought a crappy car.

    For some reason you have to resort to name-calling and personal put-downs to try to prove your point. I've made my point. Have fun with your Mr. Gutwrench products!

    Bye bye!
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    If it matters, most people I know have had problems with their Cavalier. Just because the select few in here have not, maybe you all are the minority.

    And MD is right. No reason to call names because someone doesn't agree with your point. Make sense?
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    You may have a crappy car, but the repairs haven't cost you almost anything and I have never called you a name. All I said was, you have been unlucky with your car(s) and you have received decent service from your dealer.

    No the Cavalier isn't the greatest car in the world, but most people are generally happy with them.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I had a crappy car, and the repairs didn't cost me a penny because it was still under warranty. That's not the point. The point is if the vehicle were better made and/or engineered, there would be zero problems with it. I know things break, but not major ones like MD described in such short mileage. Also, though it didn't cost a lot, it's a real pain in the butt to have to run back and forth to and from the dealer and also, it reduces the confidence you have in a car after it breaks so many times.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    You just had a lousy dealership experience! Are all Chevy dealers as bad as yours? Of course not!
  • Just because most people YOU know that means it's a bad car because we all know that you just know everyone who owns one and since your group of "friends" had "bad" ones then the rest of the world is just like yours. And since the number of people complaining here represents the vast majority of the world we also know you are correct.

    MD has a choice, trade the car for a Saturn if service is the concern or keep the violins going with the car he or she owns.
  • I have asked before, does the 7-year/100K warranty apply to second or third owners, or just the original owner? I would think it would transfer to the new owner. My car was built in 12/93 and has almost 89K on it, and it misses and uses a small amount of coolant. Lemonbusters says it has a blown head gasket but it neevr gets hot on me. James Wood Chevy in Denton, TX says they won't replace it because I'm not the original owner. Is this a line? Should I try other Chevy dealers? I really want to sell this car, I don't need it anymore,. but I can't get good money for it if it is blown.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I agree, he has a bad car. Maybe you did also. Most Cavaliers are good though and the car (according to JD Power) has average reliability. While I sympathize with anyone who has had bad experiences, coming here and making blanket statements that Cavaliers all suck just isn't right.
  • Are u a mechanic? Ive got question on my 93 cavalier
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    First of all, I'm a "he". If you'd read my posts, you would have read that the Cavalier is my WIFE's car.

    Second, not everyone in the world has an endless supply of cash. Purchasing another car isn't an option for us right now. We were kind of hoping (actually, EXPECTING) that a modern car by any major manufacturer could last more than 50,000 miles before turning into a maintenance nightmare. Obviously we made the wrong choice.

    We WILL eventually wind up purchasing another car. But it won't be a Saturn -- they're made by GM too. Nope, we'll be heading to the imports. And before you start in on me, just think about what you'd do if you were in my shoes. A car is a major investment for us (I would think for anyone), and we don't feel like taking any more chances. Sure, an import might have trouble too -- there are no guarantees. I'm not closed-minded enough to think like that. But I've taken my chances with GM and lost. So it's time to try something else.

    And teo, how can you keep saying I "just had a lousy dealership experience?" Are you not paying attention? The problems I've had (and have been continuing to have) with this car were manufacturing defects! We aren't even taking the car to the same dealership we bought it from! The dealership had nothing to do with the faulty head gasket GM recalled, the head bolts GM told them to use again when GM's own service manuals tell them to replace them with new ones, or the a/c and power steering hoses that were mounted so that they rubbed against the serpentine belt!

    The car was MADE poorly. Maybe yours wasn't. That's wonderful; enjoy it! But I'm not going to take the chance again. That's all I'm saying!

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    That specific warranty applies to whomever owns the vehicle. Doesn't matter is you're the 20th owner, they have to fix it before 7 years/100K.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Better luck with your new car purchase. I would avoid expensive Honda/ Toyota products. Nissan and Mazda are probably the best import values.

    Don't blame you for changing, but please don't infer from your experience means all GM cars are "crap".
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