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Chevrolet Cavalier



  • homerkchomerkc Posts: 113
    Dweezil, I am expecting the next Cavalier to be as big a bargain as the current one. I expect it to be less expensive to buy than Civic and Corolla, and to be just as roomy, fuel efficient, fun to drive, etc. I expect this because it is the car Chevrolet sells as a price leader to attract new car buyers. The rest of us (those who have bought a lot of cars and have choices) just benefit from the deal. I also expect it to be roomy, well equipped, reliable, quiet, and cheap to own. If Chevrolet hits that mark, they can compete with Civic and Corolla in the minds of many customers, not just those shopping price. And if they do that, they are a world class player. I think that's what they want to be.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The Cavalier is an unsafe tin can. If you want to drive around in a 20+ year old design, go ahead be my guest.

    For the rest of us, we are looking forward to the 2004 Chevrolet Astra that should help GM re-ignite the samll car segment that they abandoned long ago...around 1981.

    Roger Smith, the GM CEO known as the bean counter of the first degree, is responsible for much of the maladies that still affect GM to this day. This individual is the craftsman behind the embarrasing J-Body cars and all its brilliant derivatives such as the Cadillac Cimarron, which was the LOWEST point GM and Cadillac could ever get to in the industry.

    I don't want a 20 year old unsafe and dubious piece of junk. I want a WORLD CLASS safe, reliable, modern, high quality and reliability and enjoyable to drive Opel Astra in my driveway.

    Some of you seem not to have been to Europe in recent years. I have seen/driven the current Euro Astra and it is 1 million light years away and then some from the Crapalier.

    Enjoy your Crapaliers because GM is shelving this antique relic very, very, very soon.
  • joe3891joe3891 Posts: 759
    more money and buy a good car,don't be cheap.
  • ehaaseehaase Posts: 328
    Unfortunately, I have read some information from auto insiders on other forums that suggests that the Cavalier won't be replaced until 2005 or 2006.

    Following is an article I read describing GM's small car plans for the next few years, based upon a GM presentation to financial analysts on 1/10/2002:

  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Cavalier replacement is likely 2+ years away. Saturn ION is your best bet coming this fall.
  • dweezildweezil Posts: 271
    also appeared as and had input from Opel/GM Europe and were [and have been] built all over the world including Germany. See "The Rise and Fall Of The American Automobile Industry" by Brock Yates, which details the development story of the J car.
    There is nothing posted here that has not been untrue in most cases. It also does not make the idea that simply because it comes from Europe, it's automatically a world beater, and the examples I have given prove that. And itr also doesn't change the truth of what I have said.
    I am sure it is true that the Next Gen. Cavalier will be be vastly "improved". My point is that the current example does what it is supposed to do inexpensively and efficiently.There are those out there though, who cannot have an objective discussion about this car without making unsubstantiated claims such as:"it's a 20 year old design which it is NOT [and which was explained in some detail several posts back, do these things not get absorbed?] or "my friend has one and it's a POS".Perhaps I'll go onto the VW Jetta or New Beetle forums and post the same statement about my friend's Rabbit.There's no credibility in that.
    There is a definite element of snobbery in reference to the Cavalier [or any inexpensive car]and that seems to hold true for any item made available to the masses. The socio- anthropologists have been sneering at the suburbs for years. People made fun of the Model T, the Beetle as well [which was out of date the minute it started production]and any other item so called "commoners" embraced.Regardless of the fact that IT WORKS!!!!
    I have gone onto the maintenance forum and read the posts for the New Beetle and Jetta. Fine German engineering, but I've never seen the kind of problems referenced THERE, or the arrogance of the dealerships shown to those with problems. Haven't heard of any 2.2s burning oil and needing rings at 15,000 miles and on and on.I thought if you paid more you got better quality???? I thought Eurodesign was superior.......I guess all those "cheap parts" on Cavaliers are less worthy than the expensive ones that so many seem to be replacing on the VW sites.
    I am matching absurdity for absurdity. Homerkc has summed up the reasons for a new and "improved " Cavalier very well.
    BTW: The Cimarron may have been a really lousy Cadillac.....but it was a GREAT Cavalier! :-}
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    "Pontiac Lemans as well as the Chevette were all OPEL designs" They were based on them, but watered down and built much cheaper.

    The LeMans was based on the 80's Kadette, which in Europe was considered a good car, but Deawoo made the LaMans cheaply and we know the rest of the story.

    The Chevette was a RWD Kadette and wasn't so bad until it was outclassed by competitors by 1980.

    My opinion is that the Cavalier needs up dating, if they keep the J platform, then it should have new chassis components and other parts to make it more solid.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The focus has now been recalled a total of EIGHT times since its introduction in 2000.
    If quality is "Job. #1" at Ford, I cringe at the thought of what Jobs #2 and #3 are.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    VW just announced a recall campaign, but I don't see any lynch mobs as the Focus has gotten. The recalls fixed problems and by now should be done.

    Back to topic..
  • dweezildweezil Posts: 271
    just keep in mind that it doesn't necessarily mean the design is good and to replace with something troublesome is not exactly "improvement".
    There is a market for cars that simply get the job done. I hope the next generation Astra/Cavalier is a good one, but I have my suspicions that no matter HOW good the next one is; it STILL will not satisfy many of the posters who have an irrational hatred for them.
  • homerkchomerkc Posts: 113
    Dweezil, I agree that there is bias against American cars today. Consumer Reports loves all foreign cars, hates all American cars. I just read their comments about the Dodge Intrepid (I own one, and it is a great car - the most trouble free American sedan in model year 2000, I understand.) They picked at items, sure, but their bias is seen in their wording. They are much more complimentary of similar rated features in speaking of the Japanese cars. Trust me, the transmission on an Accord does NOT shift smoother than the Dodge automatic, however, you would never know that from reading their text.

    The American manufacturers have caught up in many ways, and produce some fine cars. Some auto writers will take a decade of excellence before it registers with them.
  • I only paid 11000, after the rebates and it's automatic also. I like the gray interior and the cup holders. CD stereo is quite decent. Seats are far more comfortable than Ranger or Focus, maybe even better than Corolla. I have 5k miles now and no problems. I bought this car because I wanted to try something different, and I am glad I bought this car. The civic seats are too small or something, compared to this car. Ford Focus seats are funky, in that you sit too high unsupported, or at least that's how I feel. The only problem I can see, is that's there's a very minor vibration, high pitched coming from inside drivers door, but I never even notice it anymore... almost imperceivable. Good Car so far. All I know, is that when you read these reviews, they put you in a mood against certain cars, and if I had listened to these reviews, I'd be driving an Accord, but I made up my mind and bought the Cavalier. I kind of feel screwed by my dealer though. I was a GM contractor, A recent college graduate and I took the $2500 rebate also. 8 weeks went by and I'm wondering where my rebate is, so I call the dealer. They cut me a check, but said they were withholding $400 because GM wouldn't give me the contractor discount with the college grad rebate. I say screw this and I wrote to Chevrolet, asking if they want to keep me a GM customer. We shall see. If they weren't gonna give me the 3 discounts, I say tell me up front, then I can go buy a Honda, but they didn't so I'm gonna fight for my 400 bucks. Good Car overall, no complaints, all praise so far.
  • dweezildweezil Posts: 271
    religiously, and have been paying close attention on my commute to work, keeping an objective eye on what has been said on the boards and in CR about the Cavalier. It seems as if they're driving a different car than the one I bought. It's ordinary and simple and I still don't understand what engenders the animosity. Rides nicely, the handling is clean, it looks great,perhaps it has a different feel with the 4 speed auto over the 3 speed or 5 speed manual, as the engine winds nicely getting on to LA freeways, and the 4th OD drops the revs down real low at speed. It's comfortable, quiet, very efficient with gas. It does everything I expect it to do, and has been the perfect traveling companion on vacation, covering 700-800 miles in a day, a lot of it at 75 to 80 MPH. I am supposed to be embarrassed, or rather GM is for building this car?? I don't understand that.
    Homerkc: I know what you mean about CR, they couldn't wait to [quote]"be able to recommend the Passat again" according to their winter New Car Ed.Its reliabilty rating had improved to "average".
    I would have expected better than that given the rep. At least the Cavalier isn't a "nameplate to avoid" like the New Beetle or the Neon
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I really don't see it. For example, in their tests, the Ford Explorer topped all the other (5)SUVs compared in the September 2001 issue, including 4Runner and Pathfinder. Also, the Explorer Sport Trac and Dodge Dakota were shown to do better than the Tacoma and Fronteir (which got an especially dismal write-up). The Ford Focus is their HIGHEST rated small car (above Protege, Civic, etc) but is not recommended because of a poor reliability record. Other examples of American cars with good reviews from CR... the Escape (but again, reliability issues), the Park Avenue, the Lincoln LS, Chrysler Town and Country. And finally, in the same issue containing the comparo with the Intrepid, the Chevy Avalanche has a VERY favorable article.

    Concerning your cite about the transmissions in the Accord and Intrepid, this is what CR said:
    Accord- " The four speed automatic doesnt shift quite as smoothly as the best among these vehicles, although you can opt for a manual shift on four cylinder Accords"
    Intrepid- " The four speed automatic is not as responsive as the others here"
    How are they fundamentally different?
    Perhaps you are just upset because your car, perceived as "great" by you or otherwise, was not rated as highly as others.

    Now, getting back to the Cavalier..........
    (Disclaimer: All of the examples cited are based on Consumer Reports New Car Preview 2002, or Jan and Feb 02 issues)
  • Do the Cavalier and Sunfire use the same power steering pump and steering rack? I have driven both and have noticed a stiffer feel in the Cavalier, which I do not like, and the Sunfire has a lighter feel which I prefer. I thought they use the same components.

    Anybody know technically what's going on and what can be modified, etc?
  • I have a 2000 Z24 and except for a paint problem when I first bought it, it has performed as well as a cheap economy car should. However, I have had a problem come up recently. The switch that directs the flow of air in the car to the feet, face, defrost, etc... has been acting up. In particular it is struggling to direct air to the foot vents. I was wondering if any of you have had a problem like this arise? If so, was it a minor problem or did it require a bit more attention.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I would take it to the dealer if I were you. Is the car still under warranty? If so, don't sweat it and let them fix it for free.
  • charts2charts2 Posts: 618
    This Teo guy critcizes anyone who doesn't agree with him. Because a Cavalier in his books is beneath him. His liking is for Audi's and BMeers. On the Impala board all Teo talks about is his Chevrolet Impala how good GM and Chevrolet are and then comes to this board and slams everything about them. He's hard to understand. He posts over 200 times a week on the Impala board.(time to get a life!!) As Cavalier owners know the Cavalier was redesigned back in 1995. Upgrades have been made to the engine and and interior as well. It is a great economical car for the American public, who don't want to spend big bucks on transportation. I am sure the next generation will even be better.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Hey Charts bitter eh? What is your freaking problem?

    You are a silly, ill mannered poster that complaints left and right about his Impala because the DIC is 18% off...oh my gawd!!

    ...and expects GM to buy it back, LOL.

    The one that clearly needs to get a life and some very needed manners is YOU.

    'Nuff said
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The Cavalier is an outdated embarrasement of vehicle. GM knows it very well. 20+ years on the same J-body platform is enough. Hopefully Lutz will speed up the Delta platform to replace this relic.

    The Cavalier is an embarrasement for GM as an automaker.
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