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Lincoln Town Car

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  • corsicachevycorsicachevy Posts: 316
    For some reason the name "InTech" never really caught on as a catchy moniker. Let's face it, the name stinks and should be changed.

    The 5 speed auto in the LS and the Explorer is not capable of handling the torque of a 5.4 V8 Triton. I think its rated to something like 310lb-ft.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    Didn't that name get stuck on some subcompact Mercury in the '70's? For some reason, That doesn't sound like something worth bringing back. On the other hand, "Continental" is now available, and I think Lincoln has a lot more "brand equity" with that than with Zephyr. Expect to see something called "Continental" from Lincoln in the next few years, even if it's nothing more than a option package on the Town Car. I can almost guarantee they'll recycle the name on something.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    The HP numbers I mentioned should have been for 2002. For 03 I think they are all 239hp with regular unleaded fuel..

    This time of year I cant get the model years straight....hey I even had 2001, 2002 and 2003 new gran marquis here at the sametime..lol
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    Is there a 2003 Touring Sedan model? If not, what does the buyer order to get the lower rear end ratio and stiffer suspension?
  • corsicachevycorsicachevy Posts: 316
    Actually, Lincoln has a beautiful Continental concept car making the rounds right now. I actually had a picture of the car up as my computer wallpaper a few weeks back. You wouldn't believe the number of "oooos" and "ahhhs" the car received from my co-workers - mostly 30-45 years of age.
  • corsicachevycorsicachevy Posts: 316
    http://www.supercars.net/


    Go to "concepts" and then 2002 Lincoln Continental

  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    No Touring sedan for 03.

    For 03...All the retail T/C come with 239hp, 287 torque and a 3.27 rear. No optional rear from the factory.

    For fleet only...the livery package comes with a 3.55 rear.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    is a great idea.
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    What about the Touring Sedan's stiffer suspension? Is it now standard on the new TC?

    TC with 3:27; GM/CV's with standard 2:73.

    Interesting.

    The new TC is starting to grow on me the more I see it. The middle section of the fron seat, when down, almost makes you feel like the car had buckets.
    Now that the Conti is dead, too bad they don't offer buckets/console in the TC
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    There is no touring sedan for 03...but the ride improvements make the ride and drive superior to the 02 touring sedan.

    have you had an chance to drive the new T/C?....The improvements seem to be exactly what the car needed without running off the core buyers of the car....I personally would have liked a little more design work on the exterior but the ride improvements exceeded my expectations.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    offer their outgoing Executives for $29,995. The corporate rebates 7 grand, the dealer 3 and you get a new TC for 10 off MSRP. In your opinion - will this practice continue next Spring for the 03'? If so, I'll spring for one then. Autumn red with WSW tires and it will still have more than I'm used to with the 94 Signature.
  • trainiactrainiac Posts: 24
    Same old!! Please redesign the interior with floor shift, do something with the power train and rear suspension. This car needs to be updated not just a grille change that looks like the Buick Le Sabre.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    I'm against it, but a 300 hp engine with 315 torque would be acceptable. IRS is O K too.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    T/C buyers would revolt over a floor shifter. Adding a floor shifter would kill T/C sales, not help it.

    Get to know the T/C's real buyers and you would see the floor fhifter suggestions would be a disaster....Also the big percentage of buyers are fleet and they would never take a floor shifter for livery service.
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    Doesn't have to be a "standard". Buckets/console could be part of a Touring Sedan package. I'll bet that all of the pieces already available on the GM and CV bucket seat models would fit the Lincoln.

    Maybe Lincoln ought to realize that the next generation of TC buyers may have different ideas about cars. Look at the luxury cars offered by the foreign competition- buckets/console/performance. Why is the guy buying those cars any different from the TC non-fleet buyer?

    Or is Lincoln happy just being the car of choice for limo drivers?
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    Front buckets, floor shifter, & performance for a lot less than the Jag S 4.2 sedan.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    The older generation of buyers just don't seem to want anything but a true six passenger seating arrangement.

    All the time I have been with Lincoln I have never had anyone even ask for a floor shifter version. except a couple on edmunds...
    remember the T/C is primarily built because of fleet not because of retail buyers... This is why fleet/livery dictate so much of the cars build. Almost every change for 2003 was in response to livery and fleet buyers requests.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    Fleet buyers must really like hood ornaments!

    Really, unless you have a manual transmission and need to have the floor shifter there, I don't see a point to a floor shifter. I've owned both kinds, and prefer to have it on the steering column. Floor shifters and bucket seats just serve to isolate you from pretty female passengers...Um, oops. I didn't say that, you just thought I did. To me, it's like ground effects or a 3 foot tall spoiler. Something designed to make the car "look" fast, but has zero impact on performance. Maybe confuse a few non-car types into thinking you have a manual when you don't. Having the shifter on the column just seems more out of the way than sticking up from the floorboard.
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    audia8q: my post was the next generation of TC buyers, not the present one. (Remember, us gearheads are getting older.)

    kinley: I don't think the LS fits the niche. There's a lot of buyers out there that don't want a sports sedan but still want to drive something a little bit different from the regular model. Case in point: CV LX Sport/GM LSE/Marauder (cars that are "sportier" than the base models) and the key foreign manufacturers (BMW, Lexus, Jaguar, Infiniti, Acura) offering sports sedans and luxury sedans that can still perform.

    rea98d: you're absolutely correct; nobody needs buckets.

    But then, who needs cars that can exceed 120 mph and take a 20 mph curve at 50, or SUV's to carry one/two occupants 95% of the time?

    If you think about it, most of your time spent with your car is IN the car. An interior that suits your needs reinforces your purchase.

    I couldn't even imagine my 94 Thunderbird with bench seats; in fact, it was the new dash that came out in 94 that pushed me over the edge. I still think that the mid 90's TBirds have one of the nicest dashes ever made. Instrument area blends into the console in one fluid design, and the console instruments are slightly canted towards the driver.

    Very well done.
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    ... at a restaurant last Saturday.

    Four couples (myself and three brothers-in-law with wives) went to dinner at a fairly high class restaurant.

    We all drove separately (02 Explorer, 98 Explorer, 02 Lexus LS, and my 89 TownCar-just washed that day, white/black Signature).

    When I gave the keys to the parking attendant, he said I wouldn't need a ticket, just ask for the white Lincoln.

    During dinner, I asked if anybody else got a parking receipt. They all did!

    Sure enough, when we left, they all had to present receipts, while I just said (like the old commercial), "the white Lincoln TownCar, please".

    Amongst all the newer domestic and foreign cars, they all remembered the white Lincoln.

    There is a point where driving a clean, older car in excellent shape gets the same, or more, attention than newer models.

    (Naturally, I had to needle by brother-in-law with the brand new Lexus for spending over 50K on such a "common" vehicle.)
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    I'm not surprised...your 89 T/C has some styling to it....the big Lexus is rather generic and lacks any personality.
    When we get the mid to late 80's T/C in trade there is always people in line to buy. We took in a 89 with 75K last night and the engine had not even cooled down before it got re-sold.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    had the 351 engine & that was the last year for that. '81 through '90 have the little 302 and those are sad in comparison to the 351 or the OHC 4.6 from '91 until now. It's too bad the Mark VIII engine could never have been an option on the TC.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    I know the T-Bird interior you're talking about, I have a '95 Thunderbird. But I also have a '78 Grand Marquis with the "split bench" seats and shifter on the steering column, and I must say I like that arrangement much better. I've just never understood why a floor shifter is considered a requirement on "sporty" cars. Column shifter is one of the biggest complaints about 94 & 95 Impalla SS's. "It's supposed to be a performance car, why does it have the shifter on the steering column?" I've never understood that argument, as the car will not go any faster with a auto trans with the shifter on the floor, than one with the same transmission and the shifter on the column. Bucket seats as a "performance" option I can understand, however, because bucket seats are supposed to help keep you butt planted better during hard cornering. If it's personal preference to have the shifter in the floor, I can't argue with that. But to put it there only because it's supposed to be a "performance" car.....Somewhere, my sense of logic fails to make that leap.
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    Let's call it "personal preference".

    My 58 TBird probably has the first factory bucket seat/console setup/shift on the column) in a four seat passenger car. (I believe the 58 Bonneville came with buckets, but no console).

    Maybe it's a male "marking your space" territorial thing (this side of the console belongs to ME; that side is yours).

    I converted my 64 Galaxie 500 convert to a 500XL with buckets/console. I've also owned the following bucket seat cars: 65 vette, 66 Cyclone, 68 Cyclone GT; 85 Turbocoupe; and (present) 94 TBird.

    Of course, when you're young, the last thing you want is a car with bucket seats, so many's the time that friends of mine got to use my 65 Vette on Saturday nights while I used their non bucket seat cars.

    Floor shifts were "out" on Saturday nights as well (first, second, third, and excuse me.)

    Mostly an appearance thing, because, as we all know, buckets/console do not transform a car into a performance car.

    Got the 2003 TC catalog yesterday. Car looks better and better each time I see it, and that "silver birch" color is a winner.

    Now, if it only had buckets..........
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    The 2002's had $7,000 off and more locally. When do you expect the 2003's to have big incentives. Jan, next summer? (I think car is a great value at $7,000 off!)
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    brand new 2002 Executives for $29,995. After seeing the 2003 I'm waiting for them to go on sale next Spring for less than 30 grand as well.
    The 2003 Executive has everything and more than what's on our 94 Signature. Are you going to trade your 02 Excursion for the Towncar?
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    Considering how much better the '03 Town Car is to the '02, I don't know if you're going to see incentives that big on the new '03's when the '04's come out. No one's going to pay new car prices for the '02 when the '03 has so many improvements, so dealers discount the '02's to move them outta there for the new ones. It's nothing new. My Grandma bought a '78 Grand Marquis in March of '78, and got a pretty good deal on it because they were trying to clear them out for the all new '79's. Certainly, the end of a model year is a good time to get a new car, but I think the improvements to the '03 has raised the demand for that model more than if the '03 had been unchanged from '02. I'd be surprised if brand new '03's are selling for what brand new '02's are this time next year, unless Ford makes significant improvements in the next year, which isn't very likely.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    sales of American luxury cars will not increase and may decline considering the economy. Most folk over 65 who buy Lincolns are concerned about their retirement income being there for them. The stock market isn't going to bubble up as in '99 and the small gains will be long in coming. Consumer non confidence coupled with management infidelity is not making any possible recovery easier. These are some of the reasons inventory of 03 TC may be overwhelming next Spring. I expect to pay $29,995 for an 03 next year, new. I'd pay that today for an 03 too. I can wait as the 94 TC is still smoothly quiet.
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    Just looking at my options, but will probably be getting rid of the Excursion in the next year or so. We no longer need the tow vehicle, so looking for something a little (lot) more fuel efficient. It is an 00 Exc.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    Interesting point Kinley. I was just looking at why the '03's were more desirable than the '02's. I hadn't considered the shape of the overall market. Then again, that's why I get paid to draw pictures instead of being a stock analyst ;-)
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