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Lincoln Town Car

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  • I got a 1993 town car. It has 170000.oo miles on it! Do I need to rebuild the Engine? I just got the car. It runs good. I got the town car for $2000.oo is it a good deal? Can the town car go to 300000.miles! O and how fast can the town car go!
  • gkarggkarg Posts: 230
    My 2000 LS has to be applying the rear brakes while using the Cruise Control - I can't explain how else it would maintain such a perfect speed without braking - here in the rolling hills of NW Pennsylvania.

    I do believe that you are correct Kinley.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    over 10,000 miles and when I shared that observation with the mechanic he advised me the rear brakes are applied by the CC sensor. It feels like they are being applied when I descend a hill, but I can't feel them engage in our '95 T Bird. Thank you for your support of my opinion.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    warzonectx2,
    I've got a '95 Thunderchicken with the same 4.6 engine as the town car. Patsy had 139,000 miles on her when I bought her. Now, she's got 215,500 miles. (That's two hundred and fifteen thousand, five hundred, for those of you who think I accidently put the comma in the wrong place ;-), and she's still running strong. On older 4.6's, at anything above about 100,000 miles, you're going to use about a quart of motor oil every thousand miles, but keep the oil level up, and there's no reason at all you can't go 300,000 miles. Remember, cops put 150,000 very hard miles on their Crown Vics, and then sell them at auction to taxi companies who put another 150,000 or so hard miles on them. There's truth to the slogan "Built Ford Tough!"
  • dbc123dbc123 Posts: 105
    Late build 92 Town Cars and all TC/CV/GM from 93 to 98 used the same electronic servo assembly speed control that was not in any way connected to the brake system with the exception of the deactivator switch on the brake pedal. Please see Ford Body/Chassis/Electrical/Powertrain Manual /Group 10 Section 03A, 03B and 03C. I'm not familiar with other years nor with the LS but rear brakes are not used with the speed control in the above named cars
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    at a dealer in Beaverton, OR. Only added option is the Reverse Warning System. Has anyone else noticed them selling for under 30k in their area?
  • May be a cancelled load of rejected fleet vehicles your dealer took off someone's hands for a song - are they all alike?
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    Charcoal Grey with dark interior. Ugh!
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
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  • dinudinu Posts: 12
    FYI:

    Today, March 19, 2003, in The Arizona Republic newspaper there is an Associated Press article titled "Luxury cars, SUVs crack under crash-test pressure" by Dee-Ann Durbin. Bumper crash tests were made by the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety.
    Does anyone know if they have a internet website? A Google search should determine this.

    The luxury sedans cited in the article are noted below in order, according to the degree of damage in these bumper crash tests:

    2003 Infiniti Q45 - $1,445

    2003 Cadillac CTS - $1,172

    2003 Lincoln Town Car - $1,147

    2002 Acura RL - $1,103

    There was also one midsize SUV noted and two small SUVs noted in the article. If anyone is interested in knowing what the article said about these vehicles post a request for this info here and I'll put it in this discussion grouop today or tomorrow.

    Here's a quote from the article relative to the Lincoln Town Car:

    In a statement, Lincoln manufacturer Ford Motor Co. said its bumpers meet or exceed government safety standards. It also said the institute's tests "may not be representative of he type of damage that occurs in real-world situations."
  • I'm usually pretty philosophical about this stuff, but my wife called and said she hit a pole today, so I may become more interested. Meanwhile, I'm in a Hertz town car loaner, and am amazed at the improvements they've made for this year. Very nice ride. Have forgotten how quiet they are and how well they handle too. Now, if they just had a blower on the A/C, it would be perfect.
  • jrguthjrguth Posts: 4
    Wanted to share my experience with my 95 T/C air suspension. Got this car last Sept from Florida and truly love it. Flew down there and drove it back with no problem, except some concern when the "check air suspension" light came on after about 130 miles of driving. Car handled no differently so I continued. Of course every time car was turned off and restarted the system recycled and the light was off for another 130 miles.
     During the trip at rest stops, etc, when I saw another Town Car I would ask them about the problem in an effort to determine the cause, the seriousness, and or safety concerns. Consensus seemed to say that the air suspensions had a leak and at some point would have to be addressed. By the way, during the trip I reviewed the owner's manual and learned about the switch that turns off the system, tried that, but got off at the next exit to switch the air system back on, ignore the light was much better than driving w/o the system working.

    My wife drives this car around town, so light would never come on during her using it 10 miles per day. When taking car with 4 people the light would come on, more load means faster leak, and more work for the compressor. So over the winter we watched the situation as it developed.

    2 weeks ago, she took a day trip with 4 of her friends and the light was on constantly from that moment, so we took the car to a local mechanic who I had been referred to as having the experience to repair these cars at a reasonable price. He said the compressor had blow a fuse, and car was beginning to list or drop on the right rear. Replaced the fuse and gave us a price.

    I had thought about replacing with regular shocks as has been discussed on the air suspension msg board, but really wanted original equipment again if possible.

    Any ways, the total bill was $572.00 for 2 new air bag systems in the rear. I thought that was very reasonable from what I have read here and just wanted to share my story. Air bags had basically dry rotted over time, so i replaced both sides at the same time.

    The "air suspension" msgs, would allow me to read only, so that's why this is here.

    Thanks again for your help, love the car, and thanks for all the info posted by others, hopes this helps

    jrguth, Lebanon, IN
  • gkarggkarg Posts: 230
    When those things explode - they go with a bang. In a recent trip with a '94 Continental, one of the rear bags decided it was tired and popped. It was like a canon going off - immediately the back end was almost to the ground. Good thing we were only a few miles into the trip. ROUGH RIDE home!

    If you see one is leaking - replace immediately. Dealers can be VERY expensive - especially using OEM products ($1,000 per strut - times 2 and add labor and you have a $2,200 bill awaiting you...)

    Arnott Industries has new replacement air struts that are superior to the ones just a couple years ago and can be purchase on-line for $185 or so.

    Be sure and replace both at the same time.
  • gkarggkarg Posts: 230
    After reading all of the posts on here to change differential (rear axle) fluid, I decided to change it on my '81 Mark VI.

    You wouldn't believe the color of that oil - a very dark gray. I'm glad I changed it now!
  • gkarggkarg Posts: 230
    Maybe that's why all of the newer Lincolns are using Synthetic in the differential.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    I was in Portland on a business trip last week and took a cab from the airport to downtown. The cab was a '97 Town Car with 580,000 miles on the odometer!

    The driver informed me that he had owned it since it had around 100k on it. The original engine was replaced at 400k with a factory rebuilt unit and the transmission had been rebuilt at 350k. He said he had the brakes replaced "four or five times" and the tie rod ends once.

    The driver said he "loved the car" and had no intention of replacing it until he had driven it at least a million miles. It was still surprisingly solid and seemed to run and ride well. The leather seats were still in good shape, too.
  • annd1annd1 Posts: 2
    I now have a little over 200,000 miles on my 1991 TC. My husband and I are in our late 70s and do not like the idea of trouble on the road. We like the ride of the car and have enjoyed it thoroughly.He says that we should drive it until it dies. I feel apprehensive out on the highway. Our running arguement is whether to buy another one now or later. Do you consider a car of this age and mileage dangerous? Any advice?
    AD of Louisiana
  • annd1annd1 Posts: 2
    I now have a little over 200,000 miles on my 1991 TC. My husband and I are in our late 70s and do not like the idea of trouble on the road. We like the ride of the car and have enjoyed it thoroughly. He says that we should drive it until it dies. I feel apprehensive out on the highway. Our running argument is whether to buy another one now or later. Do you consider a car of this age and mileage dangerous? Any advice?
    AD of Louisiana
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    and also enjoy the vehicle with 105,000 miles. Several of our friends have opted for new cars ranging from the Avalon to Lincoln LS. I admire the 2003 Executive, however, our portfolio of equities enable us to hold fast to that which is good and the 94 Towncar is still very good. If you can pay cash for a new Towncar and not draw down your retirement funds below one million, go for it. We have appliances older than 10 years and we don't plan to replace them because they are still working very well.

    When we were 60 years younger our parents believed that 100,000 miles was the limit for a car. Pontiac used to advertise, "Good for 100,000 miles." But, those were the days of higher engine speeds due to no "Overdrive" and the lubricants were not as efficient then as they are today. With the advent of synthetic oil and other lubricants plus the Overdrive, cars last significantly longer. Your Towncar is very safe to drive anywhere so long as you take the care of it as you would a new car. Next time you are in a dealership, take note of the "new" cars in there for "warranty work" remembering they are practically new. I recommend you change all fluids including the axle, serpentine belt, and hoses if it has been a long time since doing so and continue to enjoy the style of the '97 Towncar.
  • speedsk8speedsk8 Posts: 2
    1995 Cartier with rag top and all options?
    Body in great shape. Only 44,000 miles
    Interior is perfect.
    My father is nervous that the car has had 3 owners (all in FLA), but the carfax check reported no issues.
    The current owner has driven only 4,00 miles in the past 2 years, but says he loves the car (he cannot drive anymore)

    The price? $6500
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    I don't care for the carnival top and chrome wheel well add ons, but take it 100 miles and see how it drives out.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    "With the advent of synthetic oil and other lubricants plus the Overdrive, cars last significantly longer."

    Not to mention improved metallurgy and manufacturing procedures. I've got a '95 T-Bird with a 4.6L V-8 that's got 221,000 miles on it. It burns oil, but still runs. I've had to do a few little things like replace the water pump (a job I hope I never have to do again) get a leaky rear seal in the transmission fixed, replace the heater core, as well as the usual stuff like brakes, hoses, belts, ect. Not 100% trouble free, but all relatively minor things, and for 221,000 miles, I'm willing to accept a certain amount of "wrong" in my car.
  • I have been interested in many other cars and I'm intersted in the cost to repair items in this car compared to foreign cars. If the cost is the same to replace a part in an American Car compared to a German Car then I may as well get a German car.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    shop for Ford Crown Victoria parts that are interchangeable with the Towncar at still a lower price.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    In my experience, the Town Car is a small fortune less to keep running than any German car, and the service on the Town Car is less than a Japanese luxury car. Town Cars and Lexus/Infiniti reliability are pretty close, at least for the first 100,000k.
  • marjermarjer Posts: 5
    I traded an '00 Cont. for a 03TC last July and posted by thoughts on the two vehicles. The TC now has 15,000 on it. It has front seats from hell. The increased power is ok but it is still under powered and not as agile as the Continental. I thought the Continental would be back for 05 or 06 model year and I would suffer through till then. Apparently this is not going to happen so the TC is going to go. We are about to take a 2,000 trip. I wish I knew a chiropractor to go with us for frequent spine manipulation. When the car went in for the 15,000 maintenance, the tech asked if there were any gripes. I said only the seat from hell, and he said you and everyone else.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Mind you, I don't disagree.....what they have done to this car is criminal. My sources seem to tell me this car is pretty much only made for livery and fleet service anymore, and they obviously don't care how the driver feels. But I have noticed (in my frequent rentals) that the Signature seats are a tad better, the ones in the Executive are just awful.....
  • gkarggkarg Posts: 230
    You mentioned the 2 old models of Lincoln, but forgot to mention the LS. If you haven't driven one, the drive/ride is fantastic. The seats were designed by Johnson Control & I have had this car on several high mileage trips - and always, always feel refreshed and ready to go at the end of a trip. The LS is a superb touring machine & has one of the best safety records (some publication rated it in the top 5 safest vehicles.)

    As far as room-a-plenty for storage in the LS - yes, it is a lot smaller than a towncar, but you just learn to take the essentials along, that's all.
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