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  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    Amen. 100% correct. I'm 67 & still have my 66 Mustang GT and the 94 T/C. A combination in 4 doors would be Great.
  • wwilberwwilber Posts: 4
    The 4.6 engine begins to burn oil around 100,000 miles and needs a valve job at 130,000 miles.Ford was the car of the 1980's but fell apart in the 90's. The 302 engine was good for almost 500,000 miles. Ford says they are going to improve mileage. My 1993 Lincoln TC got 22.5 to 23.5 mpg. My 1998 TC gets 18.6. Ford is going backwards. My next car is going to be a GM product with some power and decent gas mileage. By the way, I have a 2000 GMC pickup with 285 hp. and I love it.
  • ford624ford624 Posts: 75
    Well, if we squeak loud enough and long enough maybe we will be able to rattle somebodys cage enough to get the Lincoln Town Car to be up to par with its competitors. The Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, etc, people sure do complain about the cars they drive....COMPLAIN!!!!!!!!
  • ford624ford624 Posts: 75
    Maybe the Town Car people need to eat lunch with the LS and Navigator people at the Lincoln Design Center every day.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    to CA improve the Lincoln automobiles? They are manufactured in Wixom, MI.
  • ford624ford624 Posts: 75
    How else could they not see what the people out here in Silicon Valley like. My son ownes a new Mercedes Sport Sedan. BUT, may be some people like Cadillacs, and some people like Lincolns. I like Lincolns. SO, why can't Lincoln do what it takes to produce a economical high performance good handling LUXURY automobile? They certainly have the parts. They certainly know what it takes to make a car go fast and handle well. They know how to make a vehicle NOT fall apart. They know how to make a vehicle not tire you out after a long trip. They certainly know how to make a vehicle get good gas mileage. They definitely know how to make a vehicle look GOOD. Dog-gone-it, what the hold-up?
  • ford624ford624 Posts: 75
    Jag S Type plus Lincoln LS equals two great automobiles........What IF,..Jag XJ8 plus Lincoln Town Car would equal two GREAT Automobiles....
  • bgkannebgkanne Posts: 25
    The Town car probably will be what it is for a very long time. It is the ONLY semiluxury sedan suitable for limo conversion because it is rear wheel drive, solid rear axle and has a frame.

    I have seen the 4.6 engine, carefully maintained, with almost 500,000 miles and running fine. Of course oil consumption is significant and the limo company was using 20W-50, I think, in the high mileage engines. I don't think there is a more durable engine on the market, but then again, the Town Car and Crown Vic are just about the only passenger cars in the U.S. subject to so many miles in a short time, typically upward of 100,000 miles in a year in limo, police and taxi applications.

    The previous pushrod engines used by Ford are by nature inferior in technology, metallurgy and tolerances and emissions. They are, as a result, less likely to run as many miles as the current modular engines.
  • ford624ford624 Posts: 75
    Wow, I guess my wife was right... "The Lincoln Town Car is a old-peoples car, and its only good for a Limousine."... well, I am 57, 6'2" and 230lbs, all my friends are Ford product people. What am I going to tell them when I drive up in a DTS?
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    You just apologize & you'll be forgiven.
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    I have an 89 Signature, white/black vinyl top. Anybody have a suggestion for a good topdressing that will maintain a wet look shine but not run down the sides of my car every time it rains? Everything I try leaves unsightly black streaks after rain.
    112,000 miles, quiet as a mouse; door panels starting to show cracks from elbow pressure. Unbelievable ride at such high mileage.
    Just changed original shocks (load levelers). Brought back the original quality ride.
    Also have 94 tbird 4.6 LX; 64 Ford galaxie 500XL convert, and 58 white "square" bird (59,000 original).
  • dbd34dbd34 Posts: 18
    I've had my 2000 Town Car for several months now, and am quite pleased with it. I can't believe those who would prefer either a Cadillac or much less a Toyota/Lexus in it place.

    Mine is a Signature Touring Sedan, a pretty rare automobile. Most of the TC's are Limo's (Executives). Most of the privately owned TC's I've seen are either the Cartier, or Signature version, and one I've seen only one or two Executive models in private hands. I have not seen another Touring Sedan, ever. People who haven't driven the TS option don't know what they're missing.

    Some points: The Cadillac is FWD and feels it. It is also loaded with electronic stuff begging to go bad. The FWD was the single point that turned me off the Caddy.

    The Toyota/Lexus: The car looks awful. It has no style, is simply ugly. It is small inside. I've seen the interior dimensions, and I've also been in one of the cars too. The arm and shoulder room is terrible. There is no room for movement, and the back seat room doesn't come close to the TC. You won't find anyone making a Toyota/Lexus into a limo. The Toyota/Lexus is a nice little box, but not even in the same class as a TC in terms of spaciousness, style, and aesthetic appeal.

    Quality: The TC interior components are just fine. It is a very conservative interior, and also very well thought out. In the Touring Sedan, the appointments are on par with anything else in its class. All cars these days have too much plastic. Overall, the paint is the equal or better, and overall panel fit and finish, in and out is executed as well as or better than any competitor. The only fitment anamoly is one exterior door panel that is not as flush fitting as it could be. I've seen as bad on Mercedes, Toyota, Cadillac though. I think I'm picky.

    The Trunk: Get real. The trunk is fine. No problem to use, and very spacious. I don't find it too deep at all, and has nice little shelves on the side that will hold a lot of stuff if you have a physical problem that prevents bending.

    Horsepower and handling: Again, get real. On trips through the Sierra's it can consistently pass any other vehicle on the road. With the TS option, passing is quick, sure, and does not lag at all. Will it beat the competition in the 1/4 mile? Who cares. Over the Tehachapi's it passes everything. Horsepower is more than adequate for all reasons. Caddillac and others claim more HP, but where is it usable? Who the hell is driving on a race track? At any remotely safe speed, this car with the TS package handles extremely well. I also have a couple of Chrysler 300's, a TR6, and several British motorcycles - I know handling. I read one test driver complain that the back end broke loose without sufficient warning. Anyone who breaks loose the backend on this car while on pavement, is driving like a drug crazed idiot and ought to be shot. I can take any twisty road with very good speed and security, and TREMENDOUS comfort.

    Comfort: No car in it's class can compare, and many costing 10-15k more can't come close. I've driven them. On a typical 4 hour drive, I arrive relaxed, and good to go, where the same drive in another car leaves you needing a rub-down and several aspirin. It is very quiet, the Apline stereo is great, the seats are very supportive and comfortable, and there is room to move your hips and shoulders. The climate control system is excellent as well.

    About the only thing I'd wish for is more color combination options. I wanted the dark charcoal interior with the Wedgewood Blue exterior, but it wasn't available. I see that for 2001 Wedgewood Blue is no longer available.

    This is an extremely good looking, world class luxury car. There's a reason why many performers stipulate in their contract that they will be driven around only in a Town Car.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    now that you have justified your decision to buy it - How do you feel about having a Ford (Crown Vic) engine in your Lincoln rather than, say, the Mark VIII engine?
  • iefproiefpro Posts: 3
    I agree with DBD34, well on most things. I have owned 4 Lincoln Town Cars, My first being a 1984 Signiture, my latest being a 1996 Cartier. I also own two other Ford products currently, a F250 4X4 crew cab and a 1998 Explorer Limited. Been a Ford Man all my life. I think In did own a chevy once, when I was a kid.....

    Any way, I can not think of one good reason Lincoln has NOT put the bigger engine in the Town Car. Yes the current engine is good and dependable, but I would like to have a little more get up and go. A

    s for comfort, yes it is comfortable, but why the flat Front seats? Why don't they put in more of a body hugging seat like Caddie?

    While I am on the subject, why have they not put in any of the new tech luxury items? I.E. Emergency tracking, that cool new caddie thing for night vision and so on?

    I love Ford and Lincolns, but if they don't keep up, well I might, choke, sputter, might have, choke, become a GM man.... WOULD NEVER BUY FORIEGN.......
  • dbd34dbd34 Posts: 18
    I feel fine about the engine in my TC. As I said, I feel the power is more than adequate, and the transmission (which is not the same as the Merc/CV) makes a huge contribution.

    Concerning, the Night Vision from Cadillac, it's just that sort of option I try to avoid. The trouble history for the TC is very good. Nothing seems to go wrong with them. Part of the reason is the conservative approach to adding options, in my humble opinion.

    For years I've been a Mopar man - Had a '68 T-bird way back when, and loved it. Since Mopar is no longer producing a Luxury car, the TC was a tough, but good choice. So far I am happy in the Lincoln camp. I've been treated well. In all my Chryslers and Imperials, there has been minimal difference in engine configurations, except for the 300's. It's never bothered me.

    I like the fuel consumption, and the engine is smooth, plenty powerful, and should have lots of miles in it.

    I took the TS option for the dual exh, torque converter, more power, etc. If they had offered a more powerful/exclusive motor I might have taken it, but maybe not. I note that the 2001 has more ponies - up to 240.

    So far, I've not wanted for power on any hill or passing situation, or just screwing around seeing how well the Michelins stick.

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  • bgkannebgkanne Posts: 25
    The TC with the TS option is the finest car of it's type; it is also the ONLY car of it's type. As observed, most TC's on the road belong to limo companies and rental agencies. Limo companies love em because they are fairly inexpensive (fleet deals) reliable, durable and cheap to fix. However, the styling won't win any awards (chk current BMW, Audi and MBZ's for excellent industrial design). The solid rear axle is also obsolete despite recent improvements; no one else uses one currently (except for pony cars and trucks) because they just don't work well on uneven surfaces, but they are needed to build a good stretch limo. Also, a solid axle impedes on interior space, forcing the rear seat forward. In addition, a big complaint limo companies have is the trunk; though roomy, it has a much smaller opening than before. This costs them; sometimes a second car is needed to carry luggage that would have otherwise fit through the trunk opening. If you want to really see a modern Lincoln, check the LS-it just needs more power to really give the imports a run for their money.
    Also, big celeb's ask for a TC only because stretches get noticed and you can get queasy riding around in them compared to a sedan. I worked for one of the biggest limo co's a few years back in the biggest celeb market, Los Angeles.
  • drew111drew111 Posts: 1
    I understand that the TS option entails dual exhaust and a little more horsepower along with a different rear axle ratio. I realize that this axle ratio allows for better acceleration but at the expense of a little bit of fuel economy, since for any given speed, the engine will turn a few more revolutions (increased RPM's).

    Here are my questions. Can one opt for the dual exhaust, higher horsepower engine option but keep the original rear axle ratio? In addition, since I am not fond of the seats that come with the TC option, can one opt for the non TS seats?

    Personally, I don't want the extra acceleration the different rear axle would allow, but wouldn't mind the added horsepower.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    is insignificant regarding fuel economy. Added horsepower is needed regardless of the rear axle ratio. It's easy to twin out the exhaust with the standard axle ratio and by doing so, the extra horsepower will develop. I wouldn't bother with a second cat, just use a good brand of muffler for the other side. Less back pressure = more poop. Enjoy.
  • dbd34dbd34 Posts: 18
    You can get the dual exhaust, higher HP option with the standard axle ratio by ordering the Cartier version. You also get 'upgraded' leather. The drivetrain difference between the Cartier and Touring Sedan is that the Touring Sedan has the lower axle ratio, and a bigger torque converter. The Cartier has just has the dual exh.

    I consistently get 22mpg+ on hilly freeways, cruising at 70mph or so. Flat freeways at 65mph return 24mpg, at 80mph return 20mpg.

    In my Touring Sedan, I have not noticed any stress whatsoever with the lower axle ratio. I don't know exactly, but at 70mph, I doubt the engine is turning more than 3,000-3,250 at the most. The TS option is great. I get lots of punch when it kicks down for passing, but cruising is a dream at 65-80mph.

    Also, with regard to the MB/BMW style comments - this is all purely subjective of course - I thing the German cars are almost totally lacking in automotive style. I feel their design is great for a blender, or food mixer, or other kitchen appliance, but not really great for a car. The squared corners, boxy, sort of look is just not for me.

    When the present TC style came out, it took some getting used to. But I really like its aggressive stance, largeness, and unwillingness to blend in with the Toyotas.

    One other thing I wanted but could not get was white-wall tires as an option. I think a thin white-wall would have looked good. Oh well.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    some Michelin tire sizes which do not have WSW and some sizes do. Our Sig Touring had 225 Goodyear GA's (WSW) that ran 60,000 with only four flats, but the same size in the Michelin X-1 didn't have a WSW so I went to the 215 which did as did the 235. I doubt the 235 with tire chains would have cleared as well so went with the 215.
  • ford624ford624 Posts: 75
    This time around I have decided to rent vehicles of intrest before I purchase one so that I can first hand try to see what I am getting. That, in addition to visiting this Edmunds chat service... Now, the first one to rent was the XLT Expedition 4X4. My wife and I rented on to drive to Laughlin Nevada from San Jose California to a Harley Davidson event. I have a bad back, not only did my back hurt, my wife's did also. The convience was great. I know it was not a Navigator with auto leveling suspension and power lumbar support, but that opened my search program....(have you set in a Yukon XL seat?)..it was great, but I am only going to buy other than Ford product as a last resort...Next we rented a Lincoln Town Car Snigiture Series non sport...We went from San Jose to Santa Barbara and stopped at every coastal town along the way. Highway 1, that has a few curves. Both my wife and I took turns driving. The Lincoln handled better than I had expected. It had the power lumbar. My back did not hurt at all. My wife agreed fully....I asked my wife, "When can we go down and buy one?..She said "NO" it looks like a old persons car...I disagreed...I still have not driven a Lincoln Town Car with the "Sport" option....So, anyway, we just got back from Lake Tahoe,..we rented a Cadillac Deville std. Lots of power, a lot of nice features. This model did not have the power lumbar option, and my back knew it. It had lots of power, 275 hp. It did not look too bad either. I noticed that on some of the hard turns around the Lake it bottomed out in the front suspension....The funny thing is that my wife noticed that too. I guess that the main attraction to the Caddy was the power, and the IMAGE it has. that is at least the important thing my wife considered. I still believe that a Lincoln with a sportier sport option would be better. People would buy it and Lincoln would make more money. Should I stand by my friends and buy a Ford product no matter what? OR Should I buy a Caddy and make my wife happy? OR Should I hope Lincoln Motot Division tweaks the Image of the Town Car?......Now just what do you think a MK-VIII engine plus 18" wheels would do?
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    With age comes wisdom. A sales rep wanted the T/C for his job, but his 49 year old wife did not want to be associated with "old persons" so he bot the Chrysler M. She drives a Lexus coupe, dies her hair, but wears large hats to church. I too had "back pain", bought a Lincoln T/C, but what relieved my pain was dropping a lot of weight which took pressure off my lower back.
  • ford624ford624 Posts: 75
    My truck needs replacing, I am going to buy a Ford Super Crew (.) So what if my wife dies her hair and wears big hats to church. I do not want to drive to church with her in a Lexus, which definitely does look dull. I do not want to pay for a S Class Mercedes. I want a Lincoln, she does not want a Town Car. I do not feel comfortable in a LS or a S-Jag. I go to Golds Gym three to four times a week for my back and weight. I showed my wife the activity on the Edmunds Consumer Comments for the LS. She was surprised with ALL of the activity. My wifes first choice of a vehicle was the Lincoln Navigator. It was mine too until I had a uncomfortable experience with the XLT Expedition. I know that the Expedition and Navigator are packaged completely different. So in order to be fair I am going to rent a Navigator from Budget Rental in a couple of months. My weight is too much, but the main reason my back hurts is because of a job related workmans comp injury. Harley Davidson people don't like it, but I want to tow my Road King Classic close to an event in a comfortable vehicle and then drive into town like I rode hundreds upon hundreds of miles across the country. I wanted a Town Car, but I might have to settle for a LSv8 sport and a Super Crew. (or) a Navigator and a basic F-150. I had hoped not to end up with two truck type vehicles. I still believe that the LS and Navigator people need to hang out more with the Town Car people. IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A OLD PERSONS car to me. I just want a MK-8 engine. I can put different wheels on it and more rumble in the exhaust.
  • ford624ford624 Posts: 75
    Can you tell me any Good reason why the Lincoln does not include the MK-8 or the Navigator engine in their Signature Series Sport Touring PKG. plus the better seats like another person mentioned?
    One more thing, maybe the Limosine people might like a bigger more powerful engine.
    And maybe some 90 year old grandma might get a kick out of lighting up the tires. I am just a kid and just might want to do it too.
    AND why does the flat black paint come off the chrome around the window?
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    I have been advised that most of the country is flat and most of the Lincolns are sold to flatlanders. The present 4.6 gets by on the flats. Not too many Lincolns deal with the Rockies and Cascades roads so there you have it.
  • dbd34dbd34 Posts: 18
    Guys:
    I just got back from a trip to Reno from my Silicon Valley home. If you're not familiar, those are 9,000 foot mountains to climb. This is the second trip there in my new TC, and I rented several and made the same trip before buying.
    I had back surgery a few years ago, and also ride motorcycles all over, and I am quite fit. No seat in the industry is better than the TC with the lumbar support. The best part is that on a long trip, you have room to move around a bit too. Recaro-type seats that have high sides prevent this.
    The car handles great, and the motor has plenty of HP to pass anything going over the Sierra's. The 4.6L motor is GREAT in the Sierra's as well as the flats. I can't see why anyone would poo-poo the motor. Anyone who says the motor is inadequate in any way, is not speaking from experience. Period.

    As for it's being an old geezer's car. Well, I don't think so. I have a 12 year old, and a thirteen year old kid. Each of them prefer to be driven around in the TC because all their friends (and their parents) think it's REALLY cool.

    Believe me, with the TS option, there's not much you need to do to make this a real nice ride.

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  • I am going to show this one to my wife.
    I do not believe that the 4.6L motor was poo-pooed. I just think that the M-8 motor would better compliment a Luxury "Sport Touring" Sedan like the Lincoln Town Car.
    I know everybody has their own buying motives, such as the S-55 people. So why can't Lincoln people like more power than they are going to use all the time? or ever?
    I do need to take a Lincoln Town Car with the Signature Touring Package for an extended test drive.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    when I purchased my first Towncar. It was the first year of the AOD and the last year of the 351 c.i. engine option. Starting in 1981 you did not have the 351 choice and were stuck with the same V8 used in the Crown Vic as is today. That 351 was performance enhanced by replacing the two cats with glass packs. What a difference. My present 4.6 SOHC is a big improvement, yet the MarkVIII engine is more desireable and it should be an option to the buyer. Sierra range was not intentionally left out as my 4.6 did cover that hill adequately. As soon as I can buy the new Mercury Marauder - Good bye Linc TC.
  • Yes, I am a 16 year old teen and my parents just bought me a Lincoln Town Car. Even though some of my friends thought I was crazy for wanting it I got it anyway.Let me tell you it is the best car on the road today.Some kids my age I know have mustangs and stuff like that,but a Lincoln can go just as well as they can.I have plenty of room in the truck for golf clubs and anything else I want to put back there.The front and back seats are very spacious, and so I think I will be a regular customer of Lincoln.
  • Is that there are things you can do in the back seat of a town car that you can't possibly do in the back seat of a civic!
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