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Volvo S40



  • avolvofanavolvofan Posts: 358
    The AWD edition comes with the re-valved shock absorbers and larger anti-sway bar that are included in the non-AWD Sport package.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    from the Sport Package come w/ anything else such as firmer springs or bushings besides the re-valved shock absorbers and larger anti-sway bar(s)?

    From my experience, not slowing down over a speed bump will use up the FWD's std suspension's front spring travel. So by increasing the spring travel plus firmer sway bars alone should solve this problem!

    & exactly how much higher is the AWD S40/V50 over the FWD model? BMW's AWD 325xi is suppose to be about half an inch taller than the 2WD 325i.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Wow! Thanks! That's a ton of great info!

    I don't mind feeling dips and udualtions in the road; i like sporty rides, as my 328 has. My biggest pet peeve is wind and road noise. Engine growl is quite fine, and is if fact encouraged.

    I hope the lag isn't anything like my old saab's was. That drove me nuts.

    It's interesting that you compare it to the old s4 because that car severely tempted me as well.

    I don't expect the car to ride/handle quite as good as, perhaps, a new 330, but there are other ways i think the car is better.

    And, for the age datapoint, i'm 32.

  • I haven't been bothered at all by obtrusive wind noise or road noise. The T5 engine does growl on acceleration but settles in for cruising. I believe that one of the reviews, eihter in the mags of in Edmunds noted that as well. Turbo lag is minimal and only noted in first gear. I had a Saab 9000. I understand. Let me know if you decide to get the Volvo. beaunedoc
  • I believe that it is about 0.5 inch taller as well. beaunedoc
  • scott31scott31 Posts: 280
    Would you mind posting the #'s on your lease deal? Thanks!
  • I was fortunate to receive the Ford X plan through a friend, so I didn't have to haggle with the dealer. Your numbers will likely be different. They change frequently as the residual value of the car changes. But in Aug. I got a two year lease, less than $1500 out the door, and about $411/mo. beaunedoc
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Drove a t5 AWD. Automatic, unfortunately.

    I like the interior design on the car a lot. I also like the t-tec seating surface. Generally, i liked the layout and the controls a great deal.

    Pulling out of the dealer, i was put off by the extremely low amount of power right off idle. I'd definitely need to get used to that. Underway, the lag was improved but not gone. It doesn't feel quite as quick as my bimmer, even though it has considerably more torque and HP.

    This may be because of the automatic.

    I took the car through some fast turns, and it had plenty of grip, and held the corners very well, not too much body roll. However, it definitely felt like A FWD car. Not bad, just not quite as "sporty" as i like. A caveat here is that i really like the RWD "feel" and was hoping AWD might deliver it but also, perhaps, not need snow tires quite as much as my RWD car does. On the other hand, it swallowed up bumps and broken pavement quite well.

    On the highway the open sunroof didn't lead to much wind noise ( good ) but i still felt that the power wasn't quite there. On reason, i suppose is the automatic again. It seemed to have 1/2 the revs my bimmer has at the same speed, and it took awhile to kick down. I was all alone on the exit ramp and nailed the brakes and it stopped quickly, with perhaps a bit more body movement than i am used to.

    After, i went through the car again, and i really like the interior design and scandanavian sensibility. I don't need leather and wood, i need functionality. It also has great environmental cred. And the seats are really fantastic.

    So, i don't know. If it were a bit sportier it'd be a sure thing. As is, i think i'll want to test a manual FWD with the sport package, perhaps, and wait to see the new 3-series. Perhaps the advance package with the 17's would have helped.

  • I did a 600+ mile road trip this past weekend and really thought about the S40. First gear acceleration isn't what I had with my S4 but I never expected it to be with the decreased HP and one less cylinder. On the highway passing acceleration is fine. The car was very comfortable and feels like it is made of squeaks or rattles or groans. I really recommend that you drive a 6 speed. beaunedoc
  • Hopefully some useful adds to the S40 discussion- I drove both the T5 and 168hp version this Sat, both automatics (I drive often in Boston traffic), also have driven all the up-scales (TS, TSX, G35x, ES330) no Germans as I had a 2000 Passat and it was a reliability nightmare (made in Mexico, I know, but regardless). I now have a '03 Accord EX Coupe being replaced soon, it has 30K, flawless reliability, and gets 33mpg hwy with the 4 cyl. The S40 has some nice driving attributes- rock solid, moderate body roll, minimal torque steer. However, the T5 tubo-lag is huge and the 168 hp should not be considered, way too sluggish. The growl of the T5 is also annoying until you reach cruise speed and it quiets down. I run a sales territory and frequently spend 4-5+ hour days in the saddle, much of it highway. The Edmunds and Car & Driver testers missed one crucial flaw for the highway driver that uses both door and center armrests: the S40's armrests are useless- the door armrest is too high and not cut back far enough, the center armrest is about 4" long and doesn't extend, using it puts the hard edge square into your forearm. There is also not near enough storage in the S40- the door bins won't even fit a roadmap, the glove box won't fit a flashlight, and the trunk opening is a weird shape that makes loading larger items tricky. I really wanted to like this car because of the safety element and was willing to overlook the so-so reliabilty of Volvo, but it has too many ergonomic flaws. As the TS and G35x are pricey and get lousy gas mileage (on premium), the best value I've seen is the Mazda 6s V6 5-Door loaded for about 23K ('04 models). And the tried/true Accord EX Sedan, though somewhat bland and not terribly pretty, is one of the best bests in a family car with a touch of performance.
  • If you like your Accord coupe so much why are you replacing it? Do you need a sedan for work?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    just FYI, but the TL (i'm assuming this is the car you are referring to because I don't know what a TS is) gets better highway mileage according to the EPA than the Mazda (and they both get same city rating). Yes, its premium gas, but its also much more powerful.

    Wow! 4-5 hours a day and you only have 30k miles on a 1.5-2 year old car? I only spend 2 hours a day in mine and average 25k a year. You sure you want to change cars so soon? And, if so, I don't think you want a volvo just for the depreciation aspect.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • Might be your solution riceman.

    V6 Hybrid, 255 hp - 38 mpg - Honda Ergonomics.

    When this puppy comes out, the world goes "gulp!"

    As for me, I still haven't been able to drive an S40 - but they sure do look pretty.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    " Germans as I had a 2000 Passat and it was a reliability nightmare (made in Mexico, I know, but regardless)."

    Mexico does not build Passat. China does, but only w/ extended wheelbase. Your unreliable Passat must be made in Germany -- pathetic!

    "However, the T5 tubo-lag is huge and the 168 hp should not be considered, way too sluggish. The growl of the T5 is also annoying until you reach cruise speed and it quiets down."

    Gosh, no turbo has a very short lag, maybe supercharged Kompressors do. & the T5 growls too much? the 168hp 2.4i's much worse!

    "...the door armrest is too high and not cut back far enough..."

    I don't know how you drive, but this high door armrest is the only one high enough for me, 'cause I need to relax by resting my elbow on it while holding on to the 9-o'clock-position steering-wheel spoke AND turn signal lever all at the same time.

    "There is also not near enough storage in the S40- the door bins won't even fit a roadmap..."

    Again, pathetic! Volvo proudly claimed that the sacrificed door-pocket space is due to the extra side protection. But the American "SUV T-bone" crash test shows that the Saab 9-3 took the top honor, the TL/Accord, ES330/Camry & Galant still getting the "good" rating, while the Saab 9-5 & the Focus-II-based new S40 only got the "acceptable" rating, which is still better than the bigger-brother Mondeo-based Jaguar X-Type's mediocre rating.

    The S40's passive safety does excel when comes to driver's leg protection -- better than S60's.

    I still think the new S40 T-5 is really cool 'cause the optional DSTC stability control is awesome when comes to accidence avoidance, & it doesn't really intrude into your aggressive performance driving like others' systems do.

    The Mazda6's wide rear window is rare these days. & to me, that's what really helps me to avoid accidents by not missing any passing/lane-change opportunity!
  • Yep- I often haul around samples and bought the Accord coupe becuase I loved the looks, should've got the sedan. I have a 13 yr old daughter that grew almost 4 inches in 1 1/2 yrs, has a hard timne getting in/out of the back. I don't do the 4-5 hour stint daily, only when out seeing customers but they are long days covering sometimes 400 miles. BTW, purchased the Mazda 6s hatch today, volcano red, $22,999 we'll see how it goes. Someone responded the Passat was made in China- were you joking or just mistaken- it's manufactured in Mexico.
  • Sorry, was the TL- my typing when tired leaves much to be desired! I really liked the TL- great interior & ergonomics but I think Acura needs to work on relieving some torque steer- 270 hp to the front is too much with their current setup. And while the drive is certainly nicer than the Mazda, $32K vs $23K, even if the mileage is the same (which I doubt, given the nature of most of us to slam the pedal with 270hp on tap) $9K sure buys a lot of gas (beer, pretzels, and dinners for the wife, too!) If Volvo put a silky V6 in the S40 and fixed some of the interior quirks, it probably would be the nicest of the bunch- but as of now I think it lags behind.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    like the Skoda Superb twin, but ours don't get the long wheelbase. You sure yours was made in Mexico & not Germany?

    The old S40 was made in Holland, & the new S40 was made in Belgium.

    Our Mazda6 & the TL were made in U.S.A., while the Mazda "S40"(Mazda3) & the TSX were made in Japan. Most 4-cyl Accord sedans sold in California were assembled in Japan with American parts.

    The world's 1st production Ford "S40"(Focus II) sedan coming out in November is made in Taiwan, but we won't get it:
    creakid1 "Ford Focus 2005 release date" Oct 21, 2004 3:49pm

    Only the 1st-year Canadian-market Mercury Tracer hatch -- a Mazda 323 twin -- back in the '80's was made in Taiwan & took the top quality honor of all Ford-badged products around the world.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    sorry, but I totally disagree. You are trying to make the Volvo into something its not. Volvo does not have a V6 in its stable. I've always been a fan of inline engines and I'm glad Volvo sticks with it. without quirks, the Volvo would be buried in a sea of similar autos from other manufacturers.

    Its quite a range of autos you've assembled. Comparing the Mazda to the TL is an amazing stretch. How about comparing the Hyundai Accel to the Mazda6 just to cover the other end of the equation? ;)

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    while the TL costs more than the TSX. Both the 6 & the TL are a tad more cramped than the Accord/Camry but roomier than the TSX, & are available w/ V6(read rather heavy nose for a FWD sport sedan).

    The Mazda3 & Focus II also cost less than the TSX, while the S40, even in the 2.4i form, costs several thousands dollars more than a similarly equipped TSX.

    But the Mazda3, Focus II & S40 are basically the same car. Ditto the Caddilac Cimarron & the Chevy Cavalier.

    Watch out! There will be Lincoln, Mercury & Ford versions of the Mazda6 pretty soon.
  • By the same stretch TL is same as Accord.
    The only thing that is truly the same in S40, Mazda 3 and Focus II is some (not even all) of the framework sheet metal parts.
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