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Volvo S40

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,887
    *yawn*

    we still talking about this?
    does anyone go back and read previous posts before posting to a discussion? Heck, we really don't have to go very far back to see this very topic. Its right on the previous page of posts, IIRC. Good grief.

    I guess Thanksgiving weekend just wasn't long enough. I'm too grumpy this morning.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • Can not agree more, but I have given a pledge to myself to counter any strong negative strike against Volvo, to make this board "fair and balance".

    The format of this board does not encourage people to look back. I see the same questions/remarks posted over and over again, so I do not mind to answer from time to time.
  • So kudos to Volvo again, and one more proof that "platform" is just a few pieces of sheet metal and structural elements, but not a car itself, and that "shared platform" does not mean "the same car".
  • Hey guys, I'm new here. I decided to join because I love my 2000 S40 so much. I am 17 years old and got it in September with 65,000 miles. I have put almost two thousand miles on it so far. It's a dark blue one. I love the color. What year do you guys have? I love the 05s, hope to get a new Volvo someday.

     

    I've always wondered: what is the association of Ford with Volvo? I personally don't like Ford. They seem like they make shoddy products, and I have always thought as Volvo as a high quality company.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    you don't find in Detroit. & the reliability of the made-in-Germany Focus I didn't just out perform Volvo's but everything else as well including the all the Japanese cars sold in Germany!

     

    The S40/V40 is based on the Euro-market Mitsubishi Carisma, while the new S40/V50 is based on the Focus II/Mazda3 platform.

     

    & the new domestic Ford Five Hundred/Freestyle is based on the Volvo S80/V70/S60.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    “So kudos to Volvo again, and one more proof that "platform" is just a few pieces of sheet metal and structural elements, but not a car itself, and that "shared platform" does not mean "the same car".”

     

    Just different seats for the Mazda version, the Focus II(not sold here yet) also took the top honor in that whiplash test thanks to Volvo's technology.
  • Peter,

    One question - did you agree or disagree with me?

    Remember, I maintain a point that a floor plan does not make a car, and 3 different companies put quite a bit of the different technology in to each flavor to consider them as the different cars.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    the steering rack & suspension makes most of the driving experience. Since the Mazda3 got a different steering rack, only the Focus II & the S40/V50 share these pieces(& rest of the 62% parts sharing), although tuned differently to achieve some different results. But even the S40 sport rides totally different from the S40 w/ std suspension. In fact, the S40 sport rides much closer to the Mazda3 than the std S40. I haven't checked out the AWD S40/V50, which I suspect should ride in between but so far CR gave it a low rating of stiff ride.

     

    The S40 may be quite different from the Ford & Mazda versions due to different styling, features including sound insulation, etc., & a better crash test results. But since Volvo did all the structural engineering for the the Ford & Mazda versions, this also means their crash test results are limited w/in the S40's level, rather than some Japanese's better side-protection such as found in the Honda Accord/TL.

     

    But that whiplash test has nothing to do with the whole car but the seat alone. Just about any car w/ a Volvo-seat installed will score high.

     

    Yes, you can say they're all different, 'cause even an S40 2.4i sport is quite different from an S40 T5 non-sport.
  • I'm very excited about the T5, but aren't sure what options to get in addition to Premium and Climate packages (which are must-haves for me). In particular, I am considering whether to add audio, sport handling and/or the bi-xenons.

     

    Any thoughts? Thanks!
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Test drive it first. I can't stand its ride, even w/ just 16" tires.

     

    The comfy base suspension is a little too soft for the not-so-long front spring travel, so you have to slow down before crossing a speed bump.

     

    The AWD might have the best compromise by combining the shocks & sway bars from the "sport handling" suspension w/ longer & softer springs.
  • Maybe this is a stupid question, but why wouldn't I want to slow down before crossing a speed bump?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    but if you ever try not to or simply forgot to while driving a Peugeot or a Mercedes sedan, then you'll be amazed how the car remains unfazed while crossing it!
  • calhoncalhon Posts: 87
    "But since Volvo did all the structural engineering for the the Ford & Mazda versions, this also means their crash test results are limited w/in the S40's level, rather than some Japanese's better side-protection such as found in the Honda Accord/TL."

     

    I'll take your word for it that Volvo did all the structural work for the PLATFORM, but I have a hard time believing that Volvo designed the entire upper body structure and subframe assemblies of either the New Focus or the Mazda3. As far as I know, the Ford division, Mazda and Volvo had and have a lot of flexibility individually w.r.t. the specifications of the main body structural elements, ancilliary structural elements and subframe assemblies implemented in any vehicle they build on the platform. That's what a platform is all about - so that even vehicles of different types and sizes can be accomodated.

     

    One of the reasons the Mazda3's crash test results (frontal and side) are not as good as the S40's is that the structural frames differ - the S40 has different steel and additional structural elements in key areas. Note, for example, that the Mazda3 weighs 400 lbs less than a comparably-equipped S40; which by the way, also contributes to handling differences.

     

    Finally, you suggest that the S40's safety cage is not as good as the Accord's or Acura TL for side impacts. The IIHS side impact Structure/Safety Cage rating of the Accord is "Marginal", while the S40 and TL are rated "Acceptable". However, the S40's intrusion measures are actually slightly better than the TL's.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "I'll take your word for it that Volvo did all the structural work for the PLATFORM, but I have a hard time believing that Volvo designed the entire upper body structure and subframe assemblies of either the New Focus or the Mazda3. As far as I know, the Ford division, Mazda and Volvo had and have a lot of flexibility individually w.r.t. the specifications of the main body structural elements, ancilliary structural elements and subframe assemblies implemented in any vehicle they build on the platform. That's what a platform is all about - so that even vehicles of different types and sizes can be accomodated."

     

    Yes, that's what a platform is USUALLY all about, & it's most likely true in the case of Ford Five Hundred/Freestyle riding on the Volvo S80/V70/S60 platform. But the C-1 project is a team work of Ford, Mazda & Volvo. Ford designs the steering & suspension, Mazda develops the the 4-cyl drivetrain(including the S40/V50 1.8), & Volvo is responsible for ALL of the passive safety including the structure for both the platform & the WHOLE safety cage. It's just that Volvo kept some trade secret to themselves so that the Ford & Mazda do not get to use the "4 different steel firmness" or the "additional engine-bay clearance" that can outperform the S60 in frontal crash safety.

     

    "Finally, you suggest that the S40's safety cage is not as good as the Accord's or Acura TL for side impacts. The IIHS side impact Structure/Safety Cage rating of the Accord is "Marginal", while the S40 and TL are rated "Acceptable". However, the S40's intrusion measures are actually slightly better than the TL's."

     

    The recent "T-boned-by-SUV" crash test only applies to cars w/ side curtain airbags. It's been discussed here earlier:

     

    creakid1, "Volvo S40" #915, 10 Oct 2004 3:24 pm

     

    Only the Saab 9-3, TL(Accord?), ES330(Camry?) & Galant scored "Good".

     

    While the new S40 scored "acceptable".

     

    http://www.iihs.org/news_releases/2004/pr100304.htm

    "The 2004 Saab 9-3, 2004 Acura TL, 2004 Lexus ES 330, and 2005 Mitsubishi Galant are rated good for side impact protection. The 2004 Saab 9-5, 2005 Mercedes C class, and 2005 Volvo S40 earned acceptable ratings. The 2004 Jaguar X-Type is rated marginal."

     

    My personal opinion about safety has a lot to do w/ active safety, so after driving in the rain, I was very impressed by the fact that the S40/V50 is the only C-1 car sold in America equipped w/ the optional DSTC -- the "legendary Focus ESP" electronic stability program that hardly intrudes into your performance-handling habit, so you are unlikely to deactivate it.

     

    http://www.iihs.org/news_releases/2004/pr102804.htm

     

    In my most recent Volvo test drive, I was feeling like a king sitting comfortably in the throne-like driving position of the S40 T-5 w/ std suspension. But as soon as I found out that the narrow rear visibility made my lane-change-to-the-right clumsy, I thought, "What the xxxx, I can't stand its inability to avoid accidents!" Too bad the similar-structure Mazda3 is nearly as bad. So I decided to get an old-design '05 Focus I ST, which has the most steering feel & has a fun-to-drift controllable oversteer built in. Too bad the ESP(AdvanceTrak) was discontinued after '03 in America.
  • calhoncalhon Posts: 87
    You may be right on the design of the safety cage. I believe I saw a statement from Volvo saying in effect that Ford Corporate agreed that the other divisions would not be allowed to appropriate Volvo's brand identity, i.e safety know-how.

     

    I don't dispute the overall IIHS side impact ratings. I was speaking specifically to the structure/safety cage rating, which is one of three components used to generate the overall result - the other two being head protection and injury measures.

     

    S40: http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/side/s0416.htm

    Accord: http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/side/s0319.htm

    TL: http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/side/s0410.htm

    S40 Intrusion: http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/details/midmod_side.h- tm

    TL Intrusion: http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/details/midlux_side.h- tm
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    audia8q, "Mazda3 Sedan" #7915, 18 Dec 2004 11:04 am

     

    It probably doesn't matter, as long as the S40 w/ base suspension got the best ride comfort.
  • calhoncalhon Posts: 87
    That's great! The S40 earned the same distinction, i.e., "Best Pick" frontal, some time ago. It has the best frontal crash test scores of the Midsize Moderately Priced Cars tested by the IIHS.

     

    http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/0414.htm
  • Hi Everyone,

     

    I'm considering buying the S60 T5 AWD with the 6-Speed manual transmission.

     

    But I've had mixed reviews on this.. the firs thing i see is complaints about the gearbox: Too rubbery, linkage between 4&5&6 is poor.. etc..

     

    Does anyone own this car? Can anyone offer any insight?

     

    Thanx-

    Derek
  • I've only driven the T5 auto, which I l-o-v-e, love.

     

    How can anyone tell you if a shifter feels good? Go drive it yourself!
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