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Pontiac Grand Am



  • tonychrystonychrys Posts: 1,310
    So, how many cars do you own? What is the truth? You seem to be buying a lot of the same cars based on the GM N-Body. I don't think your story holds much weight:





  • lrymallrymal Posts: 105
    He also has a Kia. His name is Paul Pattillo and has posted about these:

    Kia Rio
    Hyundai Elantra
    Chevrolet Malibu
    Chevrolet Cavalier
  • tonychrystonychrys Posts: 1,310
    ..for someone who hates the GA, he keeps buying the same car from different GM divsions.

    I smell a forum troll!
  • burdawgburdawg Posts: 1,524
    It's an open forum, so bogus postings are going to occur. Those of us that are experienced here can usually smell those out right away, and just ignore them.
    I've checked around with aftermarket suppliers without success. Does anyone know where I can get replacement lug covers for the black plastic ones on the aluminum wheels? I was hoping to find stainless steel, but found none. Any ideas?
  • mfuller1mfuller1 Posts: 17
    This is a few days late, but I wanted to answer some of your questions regarding swaybars and strut tower braces for the Grand Am and the Alero.

    1. Both the Grand Am SE and the GT do in fact have a rear swaybar. It is a hollow bar, 15.3mm in diameter. The Alero also has this same swaybar. The Grand Am GT does, however, get a 24mm SOLID front swaybar, as does the Alero with the FE3 suspension option. The regular Alero and Grand Am SE get a 24mm front bar also, but it is hollow.

    The Ram Air Technologies rear swaybar is solid and 25mm in diameter. It increases roll stiffness SIGNIFICANTLY to the point that the car will oversteer when pushed. The back end of the car can whip around and cause a spin if the driver cannot control the car with more throttle. The ride will also be rougher. There have been problems with end links breaking, so use at your own risk. Inexperienced drivers, you have been warned. You can carry more speed through the turns, however.

    2. Strut tower braces are designed to take the flex out of the vehicle's unibody during hard connering. The car responds to steering inputs quicker as does not seem to roll over and die as much. I highly recommend them as cheap chassis upgrades to any Grand Am or Alero owner. I personally have both front and rear bars on my Alero, and the car is much happier at the track.

    For other great info on the Grand Am, visit the Forum at

  • tonychrystonychrys Posts: 1,310
    When you recommend bars, you are talking about the STBs, right? I actually like the understeer effect (safety feature for the wife), so do you recommend just installing the front STB? I'd love to get rid of some of the lean my 99 GA SE2 has when taking curves.

  • mfuller1mfuller1 Posts: 17
    Yes, I am talking about the STBs, and I recommend both the front and rear braces. STBs have virtually nothing to do with understeer or oversteer or body lean; they only help keep the unibody from twisting and flexing during cornering. This helps the suspension to do it's job more effectively.
    If you like the safety of understeer, leave the stock swaybars installed. Body lean is more a function of springs and shocks, not strut tower braces and swaybars.
  • jdexter23jdexter23 Posts: 94
    I went and looked at other areas that you have been posting and am curious about what modifications you have done to your alero. In the aftermarket exhaust system page (post 13) you mentioned that you have increased your HP and torque to 195 and 215. What products have you used to achieve this. Thanks.
  • jdexter23jdexter23 Posts: 94
    HAHAHA. your so witty. thanks for your post.
  • jkidd2jkidd2 Posts: 218
    I don't get it.
  • tonychrystonychrys Posts: 1,310
    JD was just pointing out that godfather2 was another obvious board troll. If you look at his profile you'll see that he has only made one posting to Edmunds, and that was here. Folks love to create aliases on the fly to simply troll the different car discussions. We call these folks "losers."
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    and since we call this discussion "Pontiac Grand Am", let's get back on track, okay?


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  • jkidd2jkidd2 Posts: 218
    Just a thought to share...

    Most of the regulars know I just purchased a 2001 Nissan Crew Cab SE. I've been driving it for 2 weeks now. I took off from work today as we are preparing to go up to our cabin in the Hill Country for a long weekend. The Grand Am has just been sitting in the driveway for the last 2 weeks. I got in it today and took it for a short hop to the local Barnes & Noble, and actually had feelings of guilt for having abandoned it the last 2 weeks. I've decided to take it up to the country this weekend instead of the CC. I found myself smiling while driving back from the store for no apparent reason other than just happy to be driving it. Found myself driving a bit more aggressive then I have in the CC.

    Best to all. Have a good weekend!
  • tonychrystonychrys Posts: 1,310
    Feelings of "guilt"?
    "Cheating" on your car?

    Ever see the Lexus commercial where the guy comes home with lipstick on his collar, looking guilty, and the wife says "You're not fooling me, you've been driving all night."

    Have a great weekend!
  • mfuller1mfuller1 Posts: 17
    To the people that were wondering how I squeezed 195HP and 215lb-ft out of my car, I invite you to visit my home page as I don't want to clutter up the message board with everything I've done. There are a few mods not on my page yet, however, namely the STBs, high-temp brake fluid, and Magnecor ignition wires (but these have no effect on HP, natch).
  • viper67viper67 Posts: 2
    I purchased a 2000 grand am SE?. I'm unsure if it's the SE1 or SE2. What are the differences. I was told it's the SE1, but i have the 3.4litre engine. Doesn't that mean SE2? Any help would be appreciated.

    Thanks, :)
  • jkidd2jkidd2 Posts: 218
    Sounds like you either have a SE1 or 2.

    Check this explains the various trim levels.


  • cougar110cougar110 Posts: 2
    I am looking to buy a 97 Grand Am GT. I just read the Consumer Reports and it lists it as a car to avoid. They say there are bad electrical problems as well as bad brakes. Actually they rate just about everything on the car as bad. However I have looked at other web sites that say it is a best buy. I really like the look and the feel of the car and the price is pretty good. I am wondering if anyone owns this that would offer some advice as to whether to buy this car or not.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    One way to tell if it's a pre-2001 SE2 is if its has the finned 'turbine' (looks like a jet engine) alloy wheels.

    The SE1 wheels look like 'snowflake' type wheels.

    SE2 trim was dropped for 2001, so the turbine wheels are optional. So, if its a '99-'00 with those wheels its an SE2.
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