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  • jeffc1jeffc1 Posts: 29
    After having a deluge of e-mails any time that I post an opinion/fact, I dropped my e-mail from my profile. I still love the look of the LHS and 300M and had no problems with mine. But the fact remains that when I tried to sell mine the best I could do was $20,000. You can quote all the surveys and car magazines that you want to defend your position. I have a real life experience to back mine. And I really don't give a damn if you believe it or not.

    Jeffc1
  • jeffc1jeffc1 Posts: 29
    After having a deluge of e-mails any time that I post an opinion/fact, I dropped my e-mail from my profile. I still love the look of the LHS and 300M and had no problems with mine. But the fact remains that when I tried to sell mine the best I could do was $20,000. You can quote all the surveys and car magazines that you want to defend your position. I have a real life experience to back mine. And I really don't give a damn if you believe it or not.

    Jeffc1
  • mcgreenxmcgreenx Posts: 179
    My Y2K LHS is only 4 months old, 6500 miles, but the "fit and finish" is excellent, paint superb, no problems other than window wind noise. All individual experiences written about on this BB about any car, are anecdotal. The only thing that counts are frequency of repair statistics, such as those from Consumer Reports. I find CRs "judgements" worthless, i.e., my real-world reactions with things they rate, cars and otherwise, are frequently at odds with their ratings, but their stats are right on. They rate the LHS as average, and I believe it. As to resale value, that's why I lease. Chrysler can take the hit.
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    Gentlemen. I agree there is "rationalizing" occuring--actually I think it would properly be termed "overgeneralization"--but I would argue that I'm not the one doing it. As usual, we seem to have incidents where someone with a bad experience wants to "generalize"--follow the logic here--to ALL of these vehicles or a certain manufacturer. THAT is overgeneralization. Rationalization occurs when you then use shoddy logic to attempt to defend the indefensible. And, as usual, failing to argue the data supports my contention and not yours.
    As I mentioned--I'm not here to build bad blood just to state my experience and, on occasion, try to bring "other side of the story". From my first year K-Car to my current 2000 Intrepid, my experiences have been positive. Does that mean everyone's have been...No. But neither is Chrysler a "poor" manufacturer simply because of limited people's experience or what you view as "poor" resale value.
    And regarding the first generation Intrepids--Check with the reliability rankings at Carpoint.com then get back to me..
  • I put up an earlier post in regards to my saga with a shimmy in the steering wheel. I finally got a chance to install the Michelin Pilot HXM's that were ordered for my car. All I can say is the tires are great. Shimmy is completely gone, the tire noise is much quieter on the highway and they grip much better to boot. They are a little harsher over rough roads but I expected that and it's a small trade-off. Overall, finally a happy customer. Now I just got to get my car from the impound lot. The police here towed my car from the airport while I was in Boston because the registration expired. I guess it could have been worse...thought it was stolen the day after I got the new tires on.
  • Tire noise will decrease as you use it,congratulations on your new tires.
    All cars should have Michelins Pilot,like ours,the car becomes another car with the new tires,it´s amazing the difference.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    I just responded to you in another topic, now I have a question. Are the Michelin Pilots really that goodm and what do they cost for a 16" wheel like Intrepid?

    Second, I have had four sets of Michelins on four Hondas, factory tires, and they all hydroplaned at 55mph. I am assuming Pilots are better. Am I correct?
  • Pilots are better,about hydroplaning with the tires,I always set tire psi.at 26 if it´s raining,and 28 if there is no rain,and no problem at all,in fact I have less road and tire noise.
  • Jason, you have a 2000 intrepid?????? my suggestion is to first own a LHS/300M before you speak...although the platforms may be similar, your intrepid is in a different class...the construction of a LHS/300M may be acceptable for the price of a current intrepid, but, as I stated fit and finish for a 30k+ product is cheap...I love guys like you... you become spokespersons based on what you read with no "real" experience on the product at all...remember figures lie and liars figure...anyway, you've given me a great laugh...all along I thought you at least owned a LHS/300M, but as is so common, you are just another person who pontificates to others just to hear the sound of your own voice...very, very sad
  • Couldn't agree with you more Copperhead....feels like a different car with the pilots. No wonder they are standard equipment on high end luxury cars. Luckily I got the car out of the impound lot without a scratch.
  • Marsha7, I would assume the 16" pilots would cost close to the ones they put on my car, which were $234 each. However, you can go to tirerack.com and get prices there. Also, I think there are different versions of the pilot series tires. Mine are the HXM's (the most expensive).
  • I picked up my 2000 LHS last week and I find that the headroom is not sufficient. I'm 6'2" (not a giant) and my head is about 1/2" to 1" from the headliner but my hair touches it and it's aggravating. I'm almost looking through the shaded area at the top of the windshield. If I lean forward (as if I was in an accident), I could easily see where I would have some serious neck injuries or maybe break my neck if I hit something.
    I looked in the brochure and it says the front headroom is 38.3". I put my front seat all the way down to the floor as far as it will go and measured from the back area (where I would be sitting) to the headliner and I get 35 1/2" to 36". So my questions are: What is the definition of front headroom? Does anyone else find that is is inadequate? It is Chrysler's largest sedan and I wouldn't think it should be a problem.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    Thanx for the tire info, but one other question. If one buys tires from tirerack, who installs them on the wheels, who warranties the tires, etc? Like they say, you don't walk into a restaurant with your own bacon & eggs and ask them to cook them, what happens when you walk into your local tire store, with your own tires that they did not make any profit from, and say install and warranty these for me?
  • mcgreenxmcgreenx Posts: 179
    I can't answer your questions, but I'm curious, do you have a sun/moon/hole-in-the-roof? It takes away some of the headroom, but I don't know how much.
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    Yes, that's correct. I own an Intrepid ES. We are considering an LHS or 300M for my wife. If only you used the same speed and energy to attempt to deal with the data as you did to pounce on my choice of vehicle--you'd likely appear less foolish.
    A few thoughts...in no particular order. The Intrepid and Concorde are more like the LHS and 300M than they are dissimilar. I don't recall our "debate" involving issues of "build quality" or "interior quality" per se...weren't we discussing reliability and resale? As usual "guys like you" attempt to shift topics or use distraction instead of dealing with "the data". Incidentally, "figures lie and liars figure" is a cute little euphemism that folks use when they can't or won't understand or provide concrete evidence to back up their claims.
    Lastly, before buying my Intrepid, I spent a total of three weeks in rental Intrepids. That process helped me make my decision. In addition, I have two family members who own Intrepids and we have discussed them at length. I currently have an uncle with a 1999 LHS, which I've driven and discussed with him. Because of our travel for work, my wife and I have spent roughly four weeks in rental LHS's. I think that gives us some "behind the wheel" indication.
    With regard to which of us is very, very sad... I think that is largely evident..
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    Jason5-

    All the LH cars are built in the same factory on the same assembly line by the same people! I'm sure that the parts i.e power window motors, switches, leather etc. are all from the same company no matter which LH car they go in.

    I agree with you.

    fastdriver
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    Thanks. I suspect that anyone who views these four vehicles as somehow dramatically different simply does not know the product. From stampings to engine architecture and blocks (3.2-3.5) to audio equipment to electricals, the differences amount to minor suspension tuning, engine size and output and cost, plus some minor content.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    You are right, in my opinion. Just like Buick Skylark was a Chevy Chevelle, was a Pontiac Tempest and Lemans, and was an Oldsmobile F85/Cutlass/442.

    Quick story: years back, selling auto parts, buyer, usually male, would come in and ask for parts (tune-up, front end, shocks, etc.) and brag about his 4-4-2, as though it was unique. When I start to open the catalog, naturally it is listed under F85, Cutlass, 442. You want to see someone have a fit right there? Tell someone with a 442 that his car is really and F85, souped up, of course. But, same shocks, springs, balljoints, etc. Used to drive these guys nuts!

    Yet, we have some posters stating that the Intrepid is nowhere near the 300M or LHS. Slightly different suspension, more HP, but a totally different car? Hardly. Hey, maybe that was the guy with the 442.................
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    marsha7-

    Not sure how old you are, but do you remember the Oldsmobile Rocket V-8 engines? If I recall all of this correctly, it was touted as being different, but was in several other GM cars?? Didn't that lead to GM putting in the disclaimer in their manuals that some parts "may" be shared with other divisions!

    Jason5-

    SOMETIMES those same LH cars get different parts put on the wrong models. Don't forget, the European 300M is made in Canada too. That model has many different parts/options that the American 300 doesn't have or even offer as an option!

    fastdriver
  • Well Jason5, I ordered my Intrepid RT from the dealer several weeks ago. The dealer happened to have an Inferno Red RT coming in soon. Based on my manufacturers order number, my car's ship date was yesterday, February 15. I am now seeing quite a few Intrepids and other LH cars on the road (no RTs yet). I am anxious for my car to arrive. None of the few negative comments on this post have made me change my mind about my selection. I still know that there can always be a few rotten apples in a bushel of otherwise good Macintoshes. I am still very impressed with the styling and roominess of the Intrepid. I turned in my 1997 Ford Expedition yesterday, at the end of my three year lease. It seems ashamed to have made large payments for three years and have nothing to show for it at the end. Thank God for the Chrysler Finance 0.9% financing incentive. I'm definitely buying the RT, not leasing. I'm not concerned with the technical arguments made in the negative posts because they are in the faint minority. However, the tenor of the negative posts does concern me. It signals an underlying anger in the Jeffc 1, 2, (and 3?) posters that could get in the way of reasoning. I believe that, in the year 2000, one would have great difficulty finding widespread flaws in the workmanship of Daimler/Chrysler products. The numbers just do not support that notion. There are by far more positive postings than negative in the Chrysler posts. Contrast this with some of the other manufacturers' owner posts and you will see that Dodge and Chrysler do quite well with owners. That doesn't mean that every car that gets assembled will operate flawlessly. I worked on the assembly line for GM early in my career and I saw firsthand how even automated assembly processes can go slightly out of adjustment and cause poor fitting parts or flaws in some vehicles. The machine I worked on stamped out 15,000 parts per 8-hour shift and required readjustment every 6,000 to 7,000 cycles. As for resale value and the complaints i read earlier from Jeffc1, I can say from "real world experience" that most new vehicles are not good investments for those who intend to sell them or trade them one or two years after purchase. I took a bath recently on a 1999 Lincoln Navigator that I bought for my wife and then traded in less than six months when she said it was too big for her. The vehicle depreciated $7K in five months. I got over it. You should too Jeffc1. I have owned a Ford Windstar 1998. No problems at all. A 1997 Ford Expedition. No problems. 1987 and 1990 Nissan Pathfinders. Leaking exhaust manifold gasket at 36,000 miles. 1990 Ford E150 Conversion Van. Electrical problems created by the conversion manufacturer. The only common theme throughout has been a deliberate and determined effort on my part to respond with patience and kindness to each aggravating problem and unfortunate circumstance. Family members have owned everything from Hondas to Chevy Caprices with
    all kinds of good reports and bad reports for each
    manufacturer. My point is that people who are
    experiencing no problems with their vehicles
    typically don't take the time post an extended
    message on these bulletin board systems. People
    who are having problems use these bulletin boards
    as an outlet (rightly so). What I am suggesting is that we all could tell a horror story or two about a new vehicle that did not perform to our
    expectations, or an insensitive or untrained dealer service rep who left a bad taste in our mouths. Ignorance has no dealer favorites and greed or insensitivity sometimes appear after the sale is consummated. The same frustration or anger that drives some of the comments in this bulletin board, drives the insensitivity we experience at some dealerships or meetings with manufacturer reps. The truth is, we could all stand to be a bit more sensitive, understanding, patient, and forgiving when we encounter lifes problems. If we all lived closer to God's expectations, we might see these problems differently and not let them fill us with anger, resent, and the quest for vengeance. All throughout the posts I have read in this and other
    bulletin boards, are stories (mostly legitimate) of bad experiences with vehicles, of all different
    makes and manufacturers. Treat these bad past
    experiences as just that, a thing of the past.
    Don't dwell on it. It's bad enough that the dealer has your money. Don't give them years off your life from keeping that anger pent up inside of you. Pray for God's intervention and a better vehicle next time around. Move on to new experiences, whether with different makes or the same. Eventually, with faith and God's help you will find something that meets your needs and expectations. God bless all of you! I can't wait for my Intrepid RT!
  • jeffc1jeffc1 Posts: 29
    I'm over my resale experience. Just warning others. I'm digging my new wheels. Hope you enjoy yours also. Best of luck.

    Jeffc1
  • I have had a 99 LHS since July 99. Ever since I have had it it has vibrated at about 60 MPH. I have had it back to the dealer 5 times, had a new set of Goodyears but on last August and it still vibrates.

    After reading all the other posts today about others having the problem I called Chrysler Customer support. The guy said he searched for a Tech bulletin on the vibration and did not find anything.

    If anyone has any info on how to go about getting the dealer to change out the tires, I would greatly appreciate it.

    Also if anyone has info on the "Soft Cam Warning" sent to dealers, I would appreciate that info also.

    Thanks,

    johnk@matrixcc,com
  • If I find any leftover HoneyBakedFoods dinner wrappers in the recesses of my RT, I'll be sure to be extra vigilant for problems. :-)
  • This past week, in the used car ads here in Orlando, a 1999 LHS - no chrome, no roof - was offered for sale at $20,500. This was as a used car on a new car lot. With a list of about $28000, did this car really lose $7500 in JUST 1 year. Since I put more than 20,000 miles a year on a car, I think this just eliminated the beautiful LHS from my list. Theres no way I can afford to lose this much on a car. I know leasing is an option, but not for me with the amount of driving I do.

    I will probably go back to Acura, Nissan, or Honda, even though the LHS is what I want. Why cant DC - or any Amercian car company - make cars that hold their value. THEY are forcing us to buy import cars just to stay ahead financially.

    Yes, there is more to a car than just financial investment, but in this day and age, it doesnt make sense NOT to consider this.

    I will continue to monitor this post, and if anyone has other resale info on these cars, please let me know.

    thanks
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    gadkins1-

    BE CAREFUL!! I THINK it was kp1's dealer who sent her flowers or a plant! Others got gift certificates for dinner! I don't even think I got a thank you! Anyway, be careful if they give you a fancy, wrapped Honey Baked dinner!! LOL....

    Make sure your health insurance is paid up! ;-)))

    john_kolodziej-

    I believe all those soft cam cars were caught BEFORE they left Canada! If you suspect that yours slipped through, call Chrysler! There is a way for them to tell if you got the soft cam although it's a job that calls for specific equipment that the dealers most likely don't have- a borascope! I believe these cars were built around Sept. of 99, maybe a little earlier.

    fastdriver
  • John, in regards to your tire problem, get in touch with your District Manager over the problem. It's the only way you will
  • Marsha, I did not order the Michelins at Tirerack. They were ordered by Chrysler for me. I just used Tirerack to find the tire I wanted. I did however buy tires from tirerack for my Probe GT. My local dealer installed and balanced them with no issues. The warranty is carried by the manufactuer, so that should not be a problem either.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    john_kolodziej-

    I FORGOT to tell you about your tires- if the dealer has balanced and aligned them and done the million other things they needlessly do to TRY and solve problems and they're still the same- then go to the tire dealer and have them check it out!

    You need to read this ESPECIALLY if you have the Goodyear tires! http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/7501/

    The tires are warranteed by the TIRE company, NOT Chrysler!

    Good luck. You'll need it.

    fastdriver
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    Yama1: thank you for the information

    Fastdriver: I just turned 47. Yes, I remember the Olds Rocket 350. If I recall correctly, in the 70s, there were minor differences in GM's 350s. Chevy had theirs, Buick, Olds and Pontiac had theirs. An Olds Rocket 350 was one hell of an engine, equal to or better than a Chevy 350 (except high performance models). All engines were only sold in their respective cars until 1977, when GM did the switcheroo trick, Chevy engines in Olds, Buick engines in Chevys, Pontiac engines in Buicks, etc. GM got into much hot water because they spent many years advertising and promoting, for example, the Rocket 350. So when people bought an Olds, and later found out they had a CHvey engine, but were charged a premium for the Rocket, lawsuits followed and GM lost. The logical answer for GM was no more engine advertising, and that infamous phrase "Your engine has been manufactured by one of GM's divisions."

    BTW, 1977 was the same year that GM came out with their V6, where they thought they would save money by leaving off the hardened nut from the hardened bolt on the piston connecting rods. Instead, they screwed the hardened bolt into the upper half of the connecting rod, which is made of soft cast iron. Worst enginneering mistake since the Vega. And you folks want to know why I am suspicious of American cars?
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    marsha7-

    Yes! Now I recall all that confusion! That was something! They should have just said that the engines were the same instead of trying to FOOL the public! If you have ever looked at http://www.autoextremist.com, you'll see that they are STILL TRYING to pull the wool over our eyes! Go read about that infamous Motor Trend Car of the Year award- PURE BULL AND HYPE! The article is in the archives there. If you can't find it, let me know. I'll get the direct link for you.

    fastdriver
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