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Chrysler Concorde

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  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    pepe,

    what are u talking about? a mis-fit between the front doors and bumper? that would be the fender, wouldn't it? please explain yourself better...
  • I systematically avoided 4 doors and automatics
    for 38 years (as you know there were AAMCO franchises on every streetcorner)and I find automatics with no compression braking worthless
    in the mountains. However, Ford turned the hatchback Mustang into a '48 Plymouth business coupe in 1994, and after I wore out the quickly
    found '93 Mustang, what else was there? The Camaro
    has a tiny cockpit and rolls of fat slathered on
    with a trowel, which made the Concorde the best
    looking car on the road, looking like what Camaros
    and Mustangs SHOULD look like. This is the best looking 4 door since the 1940 Packard. (and I hate
    four doors). I have had two problems, quickly fixed by a dealer different from the one I bought it from....the heater/air control module, and ice
    cracking an outside mirror(this last was also
    replaced under warranty). While I have looked at
    the 2001 Sebring coupe and Lincoln LS, both available with 5 speeds, the Lincoln has no styling and is too small, and the Sebring is still
    a Mitsubishi, is it not, with Yugo quality problems? This Concorde, which I recently drove on
    abandoned railroads and ghost town passes in Colorado, WITHOUT generating any rattles, and without, due to a full cavernous trunk, my usual
    toolboxes and parts kits, has proven to be a VERY
    reliable car. Besides the fact that equally priced
    cars were much smaller, didn't get any better gas
    mileage and had "Japanese generic" styling, this
    offered the biggest car with the smallest engine
    with the biggest (still too small) gas tank I could get!
  • I´m sorry,you are right,it´s with the fenders.

    Thank you.
  • jj34jj34 Posts: 9
    I've had a series of repetitive problems with my '98 Concorde LXi. Specifically, several window motors needing replacement, rack and pinion replaced, engine mount shims added, windshield washers replaced, horn replaced, headlight seals/gaskets replaced, transmission speed sensor replaced, etc, etc. Currently, it has 53,000 miles.

    The latest problem is finding a substantial amount of water inside on the driver's side floorboard.
    Since I don't trust the dealership's service department, I usually try to assess any problems with a mechanic before going to the dealer. My mechanic says he doesn't know what it could be. He does not believe it's a problem with the A/C's evaporator or the heating coil because he found no moisture when looking/feeling under the dash. Of course, he says he's not sure. He says it could be a bad windshield seal or perhaps water is getting into the driver's side floorboard from the outside.

    This problem has now occurred on three separate occasions. The first two times it was sunny and dry but this latest episode occurred on a rainy day. I don't know what to think. I know it has to be addressed since I'm tired of drying out the car's floorboard. However, since it's out of warranty, the dealer told me it would take about eight or nine hours' worth of labor just to pull out the dash in order to determine the problem. For the labor, they said anywhere from $500.00 to $700.00. Then, whatever the cost for parts causing the problem and parts damaged by the water.

    Any suggestions besides getting rid of this piece of junk? I'd like to repair it so I can finally get rid of it since it's been a mechanical pain in the rear. This thing has a problem requiring a trip to the dealership about every three months from the time I first bought it new in '98.

    Thanks to whomever can make a suggestion on my possible options.

    Another Chrysler-buying sucker in Kingwood, Texas.
  • mimi919mimi919 Posts: 85
    Sorry to hear about the apparent dilemma you are experiencing with your Concorde.
    I would suggest asking your mechanic to double check the heater core for a leak and if that checked out I would have my car put on a lift and very carefully checked for an undercarriage hole that would allow water into the interior,then I would take my car to a self service high pressure car wash and spray all around the windshield,side windows and if that checked out I would asked the dealer if there were any hoses that pass water through the inside of your car and check those for leaks.
    From reading your post it sounds like you intend on selling your car and by spending 1,000 dollars repairing it realizing the repair will not add any value to your car if I were you I would clean it up real good and trade it in on a new car since you appear to be unhappy with your Concorde..
    I hope you find your problem and can have it repaired at a minimal cost.
    Best of luck........Mimi
  • jj34,

    I believe there is a TSB on your water issue. Take a look on the NHTSA web site (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/tsb/servicemmy1.cfm). I'm not sure if the repair would be a freebie or not, as you mentioned the car is out of warranty. If you have documented the problem while the vehicle was in warranty, you should be OK.

    Good luck,
    Dave
  • jj34jj34 Posts: 9
    Mimi/djwakelee:

    Thanks for the input. Mimi, based on the ridiculous quotes for the diagnostics and repairs, I decided to just trade that piece of junk. It looks great since I take excellent care of my vehicles and never miss the preventive maintenance (oil, tire rotation/alignment, etc.); but it's been a hangar queen since its purchase.

    I have never been through such a trying experience with a new car. I am not willing to give Chrysler another chance. Their service reps are either incompetent, uninformed, rude or all of the aforementioned. I not only dealt with the reps where I bought this heap, but those at two other dealerships here in the Greater Houston Area.

    The Chrysler area rep is an arrogant horse's [non-permissible content removed], so I fully understand where the service techs get their example of leadership and customer service.

    As for getting any assistance from DaimlerChrysler in Michigan, the folks I talked to on the phone could care less about my problems. Apparently, they must live for the next customer as opposed to trying to retain and develop a loyal customer base of repeat buyers. Never again.

    As much as I dislike small cars, I should have a new Honda by the end of next week. At least I won't be hanging out at their service department on a regular basis.

    Burned once but not twice!!!
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    jj34,

    wow, that was quick! be careful about thinking hondas don't have their problems, cause they do. good luck!
  • jj34jj34 Posts: 9
    emale:

    I'm confident Hondas have their share of problems. However, my experience with this Chrysler has been so offensive to me, that perhaps only a Yugo could be a bigger headache.

    I paid $23,000+ on this '98 Concorde LXi at Henson Motors in Madisonville, Texas in July '98. I finance through my credit union so it's easier for me to dump a bad car once I need to trade it in.
    In order to save space, I won't list all of the repair problems I have had to address on this piece of crap beginning with a shorted out horn just two weeks after its purchase. I've been through seven (yes seven) window motors. The last window motor repair occurred about three weeks ago and since the car was out of warranty, it cost me $256.00 because of the freaking labor for a $99.00 part.

    Even when getting a repair done under warranty, I still have to take time off from work (for which I do not get paid) or I take vacation leave (which is still money out of my pocket).

    I would never consider another Chrysler product EVEN if it were offered to me free!!! To those of you who have non-clunkers, my best to you and I hope your luck doesn't run out. It is absolute misery to own a car as unreliable and as costly as this Concorde turned out to be.

    Good Luck to all but no more Chryslers or Dodge vehicles at my house!!!
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    jj34-

    I know the feeling and agree with you 100%!!!!! Different LH model- all the same.

    http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/7501/

    fastdriver
  • anonymousanonymous Posts: 314
    My Concorde is about 3 months old and lately I have noticed that the AC stinks like a damp rag. I have tried spraying Lysol into the blower intake under the glove compartment and it goes away for a while. Any suggestions?
  • Don´t use it in the recirculation mode.
  • 401k401k Posts: 16
    I posted this information quite some time back, but I guess that it is worth repeating. (I got this fix from "MotorWeek" on our local PBS station a few years ago.)

    Turn on your AC in the "Manual" mode and set the temperature control to the lowest possible setting ("Lo"). Put the fan in the recirculation mode. Spray the Lysol into the outside air intakes at the base of the windshield. Be generous with the Lysol. Allow the AC to run for at least two minutes. The drawback to this method is that your car will smell like Lysol for a couple of days, but it sure does beat the wet sweat-sock smell!

    This method has worked for me on every car on which I've tried it. This is NOT a problem that is confined to Concordes or Chrysler products by ANY means.

    One way to avoid the moisture build-up in the AC system is to make sure that you give the system a chance to dry out. Running the AC, then parking the car in a cool, damp place will allow the mold and mildew to grow in the system just as it will in a bathroom that is insufficiently ventilated. If you don't think that there will be sufficient warmth or dryness to evaporate the moisture in the system when you park your car after running the AC, try to turn off the AC a minute or two before you park and blow fresh outside air through the vent system.

    Hope this helps.

    Happy Motoring!

    Tom
  • Thank you for your advice,but let me tell you something,the bad odor is NOT a problem confined JUST TO CHRYSLER products,it may happen to any car,it happens when the A/C evaporator gets contaminated,and the best way to avoid that is trying to keep off the A/C from the recirculation mode.
  • I looked at a dealer demo 2000 Concorde LXi model today which has 5250 miles. The car has extra's - CD changer with Infinity speakers, moon roof, full spare tire and 16 inch chrome wheels.
    The dealer is asking 23,690 plus $249.00 dealer cost. CT sales tax is 6%.
    I want to go through Chrysler for financing (4.90% @ 48 months). I have not talked to the salesperson about financing nor did I haggle over price, that is "haggle yet". The salesman said, they want to make room for the 2001 models. I can believe that, considering the lack of space at this dealership. My question is, how hard should I push to get a reduction in price? If I should push for a reduction, what price would be equitable for me and the dealership? The salesperson repeatedly said the car was below invoice and it was a good deal. I liked this sales person though, he didn't push, was low key and didn't go with my husband and I on the test drive.
    What do you think? Should we take the offer or get them to come down. I love to haggle so give it to me straight.
    Thanks for the help!!!
  • jj34jj34 Posts: 9
    Apparently, you must be a first-time Chrysler victim in the making. My wife just dumped her '98 Concorde LXi in favor of a '01 Accord EX-V6 Sedan.
    Do yourself and your husband a favor and choose anything but a Chrysler. Should you decide to purchase a Chrysler, you will remember this post when your electrical system begins to go haywire, the window motors start giving out, the A/C evaporator goes out, the heater coil goes bonkers and the car begins to leak right around the driver's side floorboard.

    Good Luck because you're going to need it.
  • 401k401k Posts: 16
    A few comments on various subjects...

    First of all, on the face of it, it would seem that the price that the dealer offered for the 2000 LXi was pretty decent. It would appear (without doing real number-crunching) that it is a couple thousand below invoice. My humble opinion is that it doesn't hurt to haggle, but be prepared to pay the asking price if the dealer stands firm.

    Secondly, I am sorry that jj and his wife had a bad experience with their Concorde. My wife and I have been THRILLED with our 1998 Concorde LXi as well as our 1999 Chrysler 300M. Neither of us had ever owned Chryslers before, and we would have no hesitation buying another Chrysler in the future. I'm also sorry that jj felt compelled to come to this forum and bad-mouth all Chrysler products because of his unfortunate experience. He may wish to look up "Karma" in the dictionary.

    Regarding jj's wife's new car, I checked out the Used Car section here on the Edmund's site. I compared the 1998 Concorde LXi to the 1998 Honda Accord EX-V6. This is what I discovered...

    Based on a rating system of 1 to 10, the two cars compared as follows...

    Safety - Concorde 7.1, Honda 6.9
    Reliability - Concorde 8.1, Honda 8.2
    Performance - Concorde 7.8, Honda 7.6
    Comfort - Concorde 8.5, Honda 8.3
    Value - Concorde 9.0, Honda 5.0 (!!!)
    Overall - Concorde 8.1, Honda 7.2

    These are the unbiased ratings of the automobile experts at Edmunds. The only rating in which the Accord beat the Concorde was in "Reliability", and that was only by one-tenth of a point. The "Value" rating is extremely telling, don't you think?

    I wish jj and his wife well with their purchase of their new Honda Accord.

    Happy Motoring!

    Tom
  • 401K.- I agree with you,what a nice and informative post you gave us,the truth!,I also share with you the good experience with my Intrepid 98,and now with a ´01 Concorde,they are the best for your money,they are a good cars.

    jj34.- Not all people have the same luck in life don´t you think so???' You simply can´t say ALL Chryslers are bad,a vast majority of people are very happy with their Chrysler products,and they will recommend them¡

    So good luck to you with your Honda,and hope you never crash,beware of the thickness of the sheet metal Honda uses,visit any shop where you can see Hondas with a frontal impact,and then let us know what you saw,what you think; ask any pro. about those Hondas after a crash,I have seen them,believe me.
  • enetheneth Posts: 285
    The thickness of the sheet metal has nothing to do with crashworthiness. In fact, if you look up the ratings from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the Concorde rates as "marginal", while the Accord rates "acceptable". The only advantage a Concorde holds, should it crash into an Accord, is size and weight - certainly not safety-conscious design.

    Certainly Honda hasn't traditionally been at the forefront of safety-conscious design - but neither has the U.S. arm of DaimlerChrysler. Most of the current DaimlerChrysler products - from Neons, PTCruisers, through Concorde/Intrepid, to Caravan/Voyager, aren't well-regarded for safety in crash tests.
  • jj34jj34 Posts: 9
    Karma? While I don't waste my time with karma, I do read technical service bulletins (TSB's). If Chrysler cars are so well built, why so many TSB's?

    I am now well versed in TSB's based on my wife's experience (nightmare is more like it)with her '98 Concorde LXi. Take a look at the TSB's issued by DaimlerChrysler for the Concorde's "known" problems. While you're at it, take a good look at the TSB's on all of DaimlerChrysler's LH cars (including the 300M).

    I certainly hope your Chrysler vehicles continue their satisfactory performance. However, should your vehicle begin a run of legendary Chrysler failures, your frustrations may quadruple when you begin dealing with the dealership's service department and the Chrysler Zone Rep.

    As for the sheet metal gauge differences in cars-- neither my wife nor I buy cars in order to drive them as if they were bumper cars. We take excellent care of our cars and never miss the preventive maintenance schedule (oil changes, tire rotations, alignments, etc).

    Since we wear our seat belts and drive defensively, the last thing on our minds when buying a car is the fear of a crash. Maybe you buy cars with crashes on your mind but we don't. When we buy new cars, we try to buy reliable six-cylinder vehicles with reasonable gas mileage which won't need repairs every six weeks.

    When you spend more than $20,000 on a car, I don't think its unreasonable to expect it to be reliable and trouble free until at least three years down the road.

    For example, who would expect a brand new '98 Chrysler Concorde LXi to have a shorted out horn two weeks after its purchase? Then, the flashing dashboard lights as you're driving down the road. Then the seven (yes, seven) window motors which were replaced (four of which were on the driver's side). Then, the transmission sensor went out which meant the car wouldn't shift into overdrive.
    How about the cowling cracking twice? How about the engine mount shims which were added after the rack and pinion replacement to try and correct a tendency to drift although the car was within its alignment specs?

    I'll spare you the rest of the details, but my favorite was when the evaporator went out and the car began draining its A/C inside the car. You see Chrysler (in its infinite wisdom) decided to design the car with an evaporator up and behind the dash on the passenger side so when it burns out, it takes about 8-9 hours of labor to get to it. It's really a "good design idea" because that way if it occurs out of warrranty, the dealership stands to make a killing in labor costs. Since the A/C problem occurred out of warranty, we weren't about to sink any money into that bucket of bolts so we got rid of it. All of these problems are outlined in Chrysler TSB's so when yours begin acting like a Chrysler, you can look them up on NHTSA's website.


    How does that old adage go? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Once upon a time a Chrysler owner but never again!!!

    Good luck to all of you!!!
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