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  • In 1972 I had a Buick Salesman tell me they did not need my business to stay in business. That was true untill 1995 when I bought a new Park Avenue. In 56000 miles I replaced a rear window motor (warranty), both rear wheel brake cylinders (out of warranty), the brake master cylinder (out of warranty), battery (out of warranty) and both constant velocity driveshafts were on the downhill side of failing (about $500 to fix). Dealer could not fix squeaking dash. Ordered a 2000 lesabre with Y56 package. Dealer ordered for 3 weeks and buick rejected order each time. I finally called buick and gm spending over 3 hours on the phone with them (on my nickle). Asking the simple question, "WHEN WILL BUICK ACCEPT MY ORDER" and "IS THE Y56 PACKAGE ALLOCATION BASED ON DEALER SALES OR CUSTOMER PREFERENCE". I just wanted to know how long I would have to wait and if I would be better trying to work with another dealer. (I had personally called or visited 7 dealers trying to get the car ordered). Buick or GM never returned my calls with an answer and after 2 weeks I wrote them a letter (to CEO and COO). Well about 3 weeks later they called me - said allocation was based on dealer allocations and not customers orders. So the customer is less importiant to buick than the dealers. At least you now know what they think of you. They still could not tell me when Buick would accept my order even 5 weeks later. They really don't care about the individual consumer - you are just a complaining number to those guys. I got tired of their crap and canceled the order. It will be a cold day in hell before I buy another Buick. I had never bought a foreign car and even admonsed my relatives and co-workers when they bought a foreign car. I WAS BUY AMERICAN - GM, FORD AND CHRYSLER - PERIOD. I tried to buy a cadillac sls but dealer tried to outright cheat me on the deal (didn't even offer all of the dealer incentive off msrp on a 1999 model) and lowballed the trade in. And new pontiac bonnivelle had dents in the fender and bad paint - Yea - I really want that. I got tired of buying poor quality cars from dealers who tried to cheat me and could not deliver. I finally went on the foreign car lots and ended up finding better quality cars, better warranties, better resale, better ride all for about the same money. For the first time I acted like an intellegent consumer. I won't hurt buick, they will just suck another customer in through their slick advertising. But if you want the 2000 lesabre with the Y56 gran touring package (and to replace those crappy looking stock wheels) be prepared to wait, wait, wait, ........
  • dkent1dkent1 Posts: 2
    I hate to admit I am Canadian when I see the cars assigned to compete in the latest Automobile Journalists of Canada Year 2000 competition.

    Check it out at : <<A HREF="http://www.ajac.org/coty.htm">http://www.ajac.org/coty.htm>;

    Make sure you send an email (at end of page) to let them know what a good job they did pitting the 2000 Buick against the I30 against the Lincoln LS-V8!!

    Dave.

    P.S. If you want a better laugh, look at last years winners!
  • Hi Raoul,
    I have a question for you. We have on order a 2000 Custom Lesabre with the identical options that you purchased. Like you we did not like the wheels and we have our dealer looking into the 15" multispoke aluminum wheel. It would appear that you ordered the 16" cross-lace. We were under the impression that to order this tire you needed to order the Gran Touring Package? We also got a great price of $24950, excluding upgraded tire which dealer is looking into. We live in South Carolina.
    Jean
  • Just returned from first short trip with new limited 2000 and me and my wife really like our new car....how could we get so many gadgets and a tight car for less than 30,000.....went through a rainstorm and no leaks from moon-roof.....never had one before and wife loves it...likes to look through glass or leave it open these fall days.....takes off from red light in fine shape and merges into freeway traffic just fine.....I like to drive up to reg gaspump.....not so expensive....it looks more like sport sedan than old design.....
  • I'll make this the last post to this thread--you asked me to let you know when we made a decision on what we bought after the Buick LeSabre deal fell through. Last Friday, we bought a 2000 Avalon XLS with leather, power everything, moonroof, etc. I shopped the Internet for an Avalon for about three days (carorder.com, carsdirect.com, autoadvantage.com, etc.) to get an idea of what kind of deals were out there, and then went to my local dealer. He beat the best that any of the internet sources would give me, and he had the car on the lot -- no waiting! It pays to do your homework that's for sure. Anyway, my wife likes the car a lot better than the Buick Limited, even if it will take her a year to read and understand the owner's manual because of all the the bells and whistles the XLS has on it. A final thought: 99% of all car salesmen give the rest of them a bad name!!
  • Thanks for weighing in as someone who is satisfied with the new 2000 Buick Le Sabre. My experience with the new Limited is just like yours-total satisfaction. I too enjoy being able to use the least expensive gasoline. I routinely drive 80 miles to and from our vacation property over two lane winding roads and the gt package works for me. I drove a Toyota Camry for the last 6 years and the Buick offers luxury I am not accustomed to. Equally important, my wife likes it.
    If you are new to this discussion, you may not know that it changes in tone from time to time depending on who is contributing. When I was researching and buying my Limited last spring and early summer, the tone was very positive (Our biggest problem at the time was that we could not get the 16" polished aluminum wheels with the gt package.)
    I was priveleged to be able to gather helpful information from contributor kvogt. We haven't heard from him for a while and that is unfortunate.
  • I've been considering a 2000 LeSabre but I was wondering about a few things. Several reviews I read for the car talk about a more rigid body. What is the advantage of that? I've also read that the engine is a pushrod type. What's that and is there a disadvantage/advantage to it? Lastly, is there a difference between the Y56 package and the Grand Touring package?
  • Would like to pros / cons on the Stabilitrak option.
    Thanks
    John
  • I am not an automotive expert. I have owned my 2000 Limited for four months and have a little over 4000 miles on it. As I said above, I am completely satisfied with it. I believe the advantage of the increased rigidity is that it reduces weight-shifting which made the older Buicks favor straight lines rather than curves (see Car and Driver Magazine, Jan 1999). This plus the Y56 performance suspension provides a solid feeling of assurance on winding roads which would have had older Buicks rolling uncomfortably. See also Car and Driver Magazine, May 1999 for a comparison with the Chrysler Concorde. I am not aware of any advantage of a push-rod engine which uses push-rods to activate the valves as compared to an overhead cam engine other than that you never have to worry about breaking a drive belt or chain which could leave you stopped on the side of the road with possible major engine damage. I think Buick uses the older style pushrod engine because it would be expensive to upgrade to a more modern style. They have improved it over the years. It is quiet and durable. The Y56 package is the Gran Touring Package. There is more to it than just the suspension. Again I say, I am not an expert on this subject. I don't feel that I need to prove anything in my choice of cars or on the highway. The Buick is perfect for me.
  • The N66 cross-lace 16" wheels are available without the GT package. With the Base Package, they cost about $350. With the Premium, Luxury, or Prestige Packages, they cost about $50.

    -- Raoul
  • I just got back from a dealer that had a limited with the Grand Touring package. I compared it to a regular LeSabre and I have to say that neither of them seemed as good as the last one I tested which was also a 2000. It must be my perception. I still think the car is a great deal but I'm going to look around a bit more. I want to try an Infiniti and a Camry. I'd try an avalon but they're expensive.
  • Thanks for the info. I found out from the dealer that we could get the cross-laced wheels for an additional $50 . We are going for them it is good value.
    JB
  • Be aware of the two following recalls on the 2000 Lesabre.

    99V238000 which is the failure to tighten bolts on brake booster. Failure could cause loss of brakes.

    99V301000 which is the failure to tighten the tie rod end. Failure could cause loss of steering control.

    If you have already purchased a 2000 Lesabre - contact your dealer immediately as both of these present serious safety concerns.
    For more info visit www.nhtsa.dot.gov
  • for info on the 2000 lesabre suggest you goto www.nctd.com and follow the links to 2000 m0dels and then to full size sedans. Despite some people being ticked off about the constraint on the gran touring package this is a great car and I will buy one if I can get the Pontiac Montana out of my mind.
  • kensrkensr Posts: 5
    Hello: Some of my thoughts on the Y2K LeSabre. (For what they are worth, I'll admit, not much.) Last week we too deliver of a Limited w/SE package, Leather & Y56 (GTP). It took 3 mo. for it was a special order that got caught up in the hold for the GTP wheels for 5 weeks. Even after we got the word about the hold, we waited for we didn't want it w/o the GTP. (Also, we had already sold our '95 Olds LSS.) It drives and rides great and (more important) my wife thinks so too. It has no surprises for we had an '89 Olds w/FE3 suspension (Olds '89 version of the GTP) & a 95 Olds LSS. The LSS was Olds' equivalent of the new Buick.

    I have been reading some comments from those who didn't wait and bought rice burners instead. They keep telling us how great they drive and never need any maintenance but they never tell us about their frequent (and expensive) "scheduled maintenance". While waiting for the Y2K, we drove our son's pumped up 5 banger Volvo [Volvo 850 Turbo (Supercharged 5 cyl)]. It is a great car but gives a harsher ride and is not a stable as either the 95 Olds or the Buick, has less room and costs much more. Also in 45,000 it has been in the shop many time for warrantee work - including two tow jobs. Good thing it has a 50,000 mile warrantee. My 89 maintenance consisted of oil changes and lubrication and a battery. It ran as good as new and used no more oil. The 95 only had 61,000, looked and drove like new but we got the "bug".

    Concerning the Crossed Laced wheels vs the GTP. As you probably know, the GTP not only includes the wheels but also Firestone TOURING tires, leather steering wheel, stiffer fron springs and rear stabilizer bar and a 3.05 axle vs 2.86. I like the looks of the cross laced wheels but in my book, the Firestone tires alone are worth the cost of the package. The cross laced tires are the same size but are non-touring Generals worth much less. Both Olds had touring tires that lasted well over 70,000 miles. I have had several GM cars with heavy duty suspensions and would not buy any - repeat any - car w/o it.

    About engines. The replacement for the 3.8 "pushrod" engine is the 3.5 OHC "high tech" engine. As this is my 3rd 3.8 and I have had no problems, I personally will take an "old fashioned pushrod" that has had some 13 years development over the new 3.5 "high tech" that doesn't get any better gas mileage and has to work harder to get the job done. True the OHC does away with many parts (lifters, pushrods & rocker arms) but GM has been using them since the '20s and seem to have them working pretty well. Also, they seem to work pretty well in NASCAR racing engines.

    In case I am accused of being a GM ad man, I plead innocent. True I have owned mostly GM cars, but I also have had Fords, Mercs and Toyotas. The day the Japanese bad mouthed the US auto workers, they turned me off to all Japanese autos. (No, I'm not an auto worker either.)
  • I agree with kensr especially concerning the scheduled maintenance costs. I drove my Camry for six years and still have it. It is a great car. Almost nothing went wrong with it in the 70000 miles I have put on it. But, the 30,000 mile service cost $250 several years ago and the 60,000 mile check was twice that. I am ready for the 90,000 mile service now. Scheduled maintenance for the Le Sabre consists mostly of oil changes and tire rotations. But, the big advantage in my mind is the comfort I get from my Buick. I never got that from the Camry.
  • Has any owners had problems with torque steer when accelerating? This a problem with the 2000 I own and the Dealer and Buick have been
    unable to find a fix or cause.
  • Hi king34
    What do you mean by trouble....could you explain...I would be interested since I just bought a Limited and do not know what you mean.....
  • I went looking at LeSabres this Sunday since the dealers were closed and noticed that there appears to be a design change on the 2000s that wasn't originally on the car when they came out a few months ago. Half of the LeSabres have what looks like additional bodyside cladding along the wheelbase under the doors. It looks like an additional lip has been added to the car. There is no mention of this on the window sticker (i.e. a new option). It appeared on Customs, Limiteds and Gran Touring Models. Cars that have been on the lot longer (my guess) don't have it. I personally think it detracts from the looks of the car. Of course this car is for my mother so she may not care.

    Not to make this post too long, but about 7 of the 25 LeSabres on the lot had the Gran Touring Package. Some were Customs with 1SD package others had the 1SE package and a few Limiteds as well. The Gran Touring wheels are MUCH better than the standard wheels. I also was not impressed with what appeared to be poor build quality on many of the cars. Most models had pinstriping (included in the package) and it did not line up between the doors or doors and fenders. Also the doors appeared not to line up for the trim by the windows. I personally thought this was a shame for a 26K car.
  • I'm going to try Infiniti and Toyota and retry Mitsubishi and Volvo before deciding on what to get. If the seats were just a little more comfortable on the lesabre I'd be sold already but the volvo and diamante were just amazing for seats. The ride on the diamante was quieter and smoother too. I'd have just bought one of those but there are no side airbags. I wish someone would make the perfect sedan. It's such a hard decision.
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