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  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    FAstbuck - I'm a 45 yr old family man driving my 2nd Gand Marquis - buy em used and drive em till they drop - who contends they are the ultimte economy car (when true vehicle long-term cost is calculated) and make more sense to own than just about anything on the road. I drive about 25-30K hiway miles a year in the northeast. The comfort is fantastic - riding over hours of asphalt (hm - could make an interesting pun there!) and the gas mileage is the same on the newer models as a Camry or other small to midsized vanilla car. I would like to buy a newer car next yr and love the classy Infinity I-30 and the arguably sexier Maxima GLE, but remembering the last half dozen accidents I've seen along the way home, I think my enjoyable big car ride is probably cheap life insurance too.

    We used the Grand Marquis for our primary family vehicle over the last 7 years and the addition of a used green Surburban to our driveway has certainly given us an alternative - but at 13 mpg for "Reptar" and uncertain future gas prices, it still makes sense for our 'second car' to be able to accomodate the family if/when needed. I'll probably buy another one - or maybe one of these 2000 blue hair LeSabres or maybe a Bonneville (smooth riding but sexier looking).

    Just call me Tpke Ken - cruising in comfort.
  • I'd like to know if anyone has done any upgrades to the sound system on the 2000 LeSabre. The Concert Hall II system is a terrible disappointment....lacking in stereo effect and it has irritatingly strident highs. I'd like to upgrade the speakers but don't ant to re-invent the wheel, so if anyone out there has made a measurable improvement to the poor sound in the LeSabre, I'd love to hear about what "fixes" did the magic.
  • Thanks, guys. I downloaded your kazoo comments, and my dealer accepted my diagnosis. Had the windshield resealed. Warranty. No sweat! Saved us a lot of searching. Local sheriff told me a dealer would be breaking the law to condone a 70 mph test in a 65 mph state. The dealer won't even let a mechanic ride in a car exceeding the speed limit. Sounds to me like that MA dealer didn't explain himself very well to his customer.
  • My experience with the Grand Touring option with Firestone Affinity tires is bad. The ride at first was firm but not too harsh, but after 1000 mi the ride is harsh with every small road imperfection felt. Also, there is a vibration at 70-75 mph felt in the steering wheel and front seat. I believe the problem is poor tires and lack of isolation between the suspension and driver. I wish I would have bought the standard suspension with the optional 16-inch wheels. Has anyone else experienced this problem with the GT option?
  • Consumer Reports and a couple of car magazines said the Gran Touring package was jiggly. I have the 16 inch wheel option withoout GTP and it seems a little firmer than the 15" that were on the demo I first drove. But I'm very pleased with the ride. The tires are Generals and seem to do pretty well but when the time comes I'll probabally go to Bridgestone Re930's which the testers say are quiet and very capable. (and I might add, a whole chunk less than Michlins)
  • wpswwpsw Posts: 1
    There are several comments about the dreaded Kazoo sounds for 2000 LaSabre's. Has anyone had the problem with a 2001?
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    What's the consensus from you LeSabre posters on the Custom's wheel treatment - I think they look out of place - some attempt to generate a retro/futuristic sort of impression. And are they covers or alloys? I don't have catalogue handy to check out but just saw another one - a silver Custom - up close and decided that I definitely don't like that particular wheel look.

    Turnpike Ken
  • I recently bought a 2000 Buick LeSabre Custom which has Firestone 16" Affinity tires on it. I'm not having any problems and I'm totally satisfied with the car; however, in light of the Firestone tire recall I was curious if anyone has heard anything adverse about the Firestone Affinity tire.
  • dpons: We have the GTP option and have the Firestone Affinity tires. We have almost 10K miles now, but we have not experienced any deterioration in ride. I will say, though, that the '00 LeSabre with GTP is much stiffer than the '93 LeSabre with GTP which is what we had before. The handling of the new LeSabre is much better than the last generation, but the ride is definitely harder.

    tpken: I do not care for the art deco wheels either and that is an excellent description of them. Our cousin got them on her '00 (I do not think she thought twice about it), and they are alloys. When my folks were picking out their '00 I was happy when they said that they did not like them either (my dad hated them, my mom did not care).

    The GTP wheels look nice, but they are what I call tooth brush wheels since you need one to clean out the brake dust.

    rhraasch: I have not heard anything either about the Firestone Affinity tires. No problems with ours either.
  • I have owned my 2000 Limited with the Gran Touring Package for fifteen months. I have 14,000 miles on the car with no problems. I have had good experience with the Fireston Affinity tires. Just to be super safe, after the Ford/Firestone problems made headlines, I took my car in to the dealership. They assured me that the problems did not extend to the Affinity but they voluntarily put the car on a lift and went over the tires by hand. They found no indication that anything was amiss. I am satisfied with the tires and completely pleased with my Buick. I will likely buy another.
  • I think it's a good idea for a prospective buyer of a new LeSabre to drive a new one with the grand touring suspension and also drive a standard version. The 2000 LeSabre's suspension has been "snugged up" quite a bit from previous year LeSabres. In fact the standard LeSabre is about as firm as the old GTP. Lots of folks don't like the 2000 LeSabre with the GTP because it is apparently "jiggly" at low speeds and the tires have noticeable pavement slap due to the firmer shocks. Drive it both ways first so you won't be unhappy. Another suggestion is the standard suspension with 16 inch alloy wheels and tires. Mine is set up that way and I'm very pleased with it.
  • dponsdpons Posts: 3
    (rhraasch): My 2000 Lesabre Custom with Grand Touring suspension has Firestone Affinity tires. The dealer found the two front tires out of round which they say is the cause of my vibration problems at speed. But I think there is more to the problem, because the vibration gets worse after time on the road, which implies the belts are shifting. The dealer said he could not offer me another brand of tire, I am stuck with the Firestones unless I want to buy something else at my expense. However, the same dealer told a fiend that was looking at a new Buick "he would not sell any Buicks with Firestone tires". If the replacement Firestones do not cure the vibration, I guess I will have to shell out another $500 for tires on my new car.
    (macarthur2): The "pavement slap" stems from insufficient rebound damping, which is the complaint I addressed earlier with my GT package. The rebound damping was OK for the first 1000 miles, but quickly decreased thereafter, due to poor quality shocks (typical GM). The GT package has firmer springs, and needs a better quality shock than used on the standard suspension, otherwise they will wear out fast.
  • Hi everyone ! I just turned 5000 miles on my 2000 LeSabre Limited and have not had any problems with it at all. I have the GTP with the Firestone Affinity tires and they are riding really well. I just want to thank everyone here at the site for all your comments about the car. I will definately buy another one in the future.
  • The rumor in Detroit is that Ford will be dropping the entire Mercury line just like Dialmer-Chrysler has dropped Plymouth. It's a shame because the Grand Marquis was nice looking and good competitor for the LeSabre. Now all they will have is the uglyish Crown Victoria. I own a LeSabre, just thought you all might find this tid-bit interesting.
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    I understand Ford is dropping the Mercury name, but not discontinuing the Grand Marquis. I don't know what the GM will be called.
  • bthompbthomp Posts: 69
    the Mercury Marauder...and it will kick some butt!
  • bryangzbryangz Posts: 24
    After I steered them away from the Lesabre's with the white walls and dealer installed carriage roof, they decided they liked a sterling silver Custom model.
    It has the "tour edition" discount package which if I remember correctly, includes leather seats ,the gauge/driver information center and aluminum wheels. I was disappointed in a couple things: 1. no back seat armrest or head rests. 2. Automatic air conditioning is an option. 3. In general, at least to me, the Lesabre doesn't seem to take the bumps very well despite being built on a rigid platform. I realize the some of these things can be had with the Limited, but come on, no arm rest or head rests in the back seat? How cheap can you get?

    On the other hand, I like its styling and the fact that it has side impact bags and that the 3800 V-6 is under the hood. Also, I made sure to take it on the highway to see if it had the kazoo sound, which it didn't.

    Any other things I should consider or look for before we pick up the car Monday?

    Thanks,

    Bryan
  • I was wondering if anyone else is having as many
    problems with their Lesabre as I am. I have only had my 2000 Lesabre for a year now and the problems are mounting up. The air conditioner doesn't cool the car down and my drivers side window will not roll down. I've also noticed water in the passenger floor board after it rains.
    Could I have gotten a lemon??
  • Also, could there be engine problems on the way. I have noticed that every once in a while it doesn't start on the first try. Should I just take it as a loss and find something different. The dealer seems helpful enough, but I don't want to take any chance on major auto trouble down the line.
  • bryangzbryangz Posts: 24
    Hasn't the dealer fixed these problems? Air conditioning, most likely has a coolant leak and needs to be recharged, but in the past I have seen cars that have been overcharged and that can also cause an inability to cool.

    As far as water leaking into the cabin, it could be a myriad of things: 1. Improperly sealed windshield. 2. Leaves blocking the air conditioning drain (check up by the windshield wipers) 3. Improper body weld.

    All cars sometimes fail to start on the first start. Sometimes just adding fuel injector cleaner can solve such problems. If it continues though, have it checked.

    Bryan
  • cid2cid2 Posts: 2
    LeSabre should be called "LifeSaver". It saved my Mom's life in a horrible collision! My Mom was driving the speed limit in a 35MPH zone and was hit head-on & on the driver's side by an oncoming Porsche 911 cruising out of control at 82MPH! Luckily, she was wearing a seat belt and the LeSabre's side & front airbags inflated. Although it took 2 hours & the Jaws of Life to remove her, she is alive and well today (although she has major aches & pains). I'm absolutely certain that she survived because she was driving her 1999 Le Sabre. Buick would be wise calling the car, "LifeSaver" instead of LeSabre. It's a wonderfully safe car; my parents replaced the totalled one with another brand new LifeSaver. Thanks, Buick, for saving my Mom's life!
  • cid2cid2 Posts: 2
    LeSabre should be called "LifeSaver". It saved my Mom's life in a horrible collision! My Mom was driving the speed limit in a 35MPH zone and was hit head-on & on the driver's side by an oncoming Porsche 911 cruising out of control at 82MPH! Luckily, she was wearing a seat belt and the LeSabre's side & front airbags inflated. Although it took 2 hours & the Jaws of Life to remove her, she is alive and well today (although she has major aches & pains). I'm absolutely certain that she survived because she was driving her 1999 Le Sabre. Buick would be wise calling the car, "LifeSaver" instead of LeSabre. It's a wonderfully safe car; my parents replaced the totalled one with another brand new LifeSaver. Thanks, Buick, for saving my Mom's life!
  • My parents' 2000 Buick LeSabre has been stalling
    intermittently at low speeds and stop lights. The
    car currently only has 5000 miles and this is the
    second round of engine stalls. The earlier engine
    stalls occurred in Feb and March and were caused by a bad alternator, not charging properly at low
    RPM. The problem went away for a few months, but
    now it's back. And I doubted this time is the
    alternator.

    In city traffic, the car would idle erratically in
    drive at stops, even though it does not have a
    tachometer, I could hear the engine revved up and
    down, struggling, then stalled. In lots of cases,
    I attempted to shift the gear to neutral, trying to relieve the engine / transmission load, but this did not help, the engine died still. I noticed that this problem manifests more in warmer
    climate than cold.

    This problem had been looked at 5 times at 2 different dealerships but dealers were saying the
    car was operating within spec. no fixes were
    performed. When I went to the dealer who sold me
    the car the other day, insisting on invoking the
    NJ Lemon Law, the latest excuse I got was " The
    car is designed to use REGULAR 87 octane gas and I
    had been using SUPER 93 octane gas. " The manual
    indicated the car needs 87 octane or higher???
    " Give Regular gas a try " was the latest solution
    I got.

    I was incredulous about his answer. Nevertheless to be reasonable, I told the service manager that I will try it, but I am bringing the car back if this does not solve the engine stalls. To make this official, I called Buick Customer Service to
    log this entry. So they are not going to beat around the bush any longer.

    I need to know that if there is any owners out there using Super 93 gas for their 2000 LeSabres
    and if they encounter any engine stalls? Please
    respond so I can make a good decision on what to do next
  • bryangzbryangz Posts: 24
    you should have punched the service manager right in the mouth and then go onto explain how that is just normal social interaction among people. What a joke. Adding 93 premium to the 3.8 doesn't help it any (unless it has extra detergents in it), but it will not cause the stalling you described. I had a 3800 in my 96 LSS and never had a problem with it. This is definitely not the norm. On the other hand, I have read in the past that some 3.8s did have a stalling problem. Might want to peruse the maintenance board to see if you can find any posts about that. Or see if you can find any techincal bulletins on the 3800 at this site <<A HREF="http://www.alldata.com/">http://www.alldata.com/>;

    Good luck,
    Bryan
  • Will a bumper from a 1993 Buick Lesabre Custom fit a 1992 Buick Lesabre Custom. Someone told me the only difference is the molding. On my 1992 I have a rubber molding with a chrome strip. I there a differnce in the moldings from 1992 to 1993...
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    I almost bought a 2000 LeSabre, but instead bought a 2000 Grand Marquis. I've got 24,000 miles on my GM with no problems. Based on the comments here versus the GM town hall, I made the right decision.
  • bthompbthomp Posts: 69
    same here. 42K. No problems.
  • I tried both of these cars and the LeSabre, in my opinion, came out the winner. Drove both on three different occasions, back to back. LeSabre has better ride, accelerates just as well, has better cruddy weather traction handles better. And by the way it gets 31mpg on the highway at 75mph (legal here on turnpikes). After 8,800 miles absolutely no noises, kazoos, battery or any other problems. Since I do my own oil and filter changes it has never been back to the dealer. The Grand Marquis is huge physically but if you will find a consumer report you will find the interior dimensions are within a tenth inch of being the exactly same (Quite an achievement since the Buick is 13"shorter and 4" narrower.) So the trunk is 2 cubic feet smaller, at least it has a flat floor instead of a gaping hole that use to hold the spare tire. It's personal taste but I did my homework, and the test drives, and bougth the one that I liked best, the LeSabre---no complaints, not one!
  • dog738dog738 Posts: 1
    My new Buick uses about 1/2 quart of oil every 1200 miles. I had and Oldsmobile with the same engine for 7 years and it used no oil. The Buick dealer told me it could use up to 1-1/2 quarts every 3000 miles and this was okay. Does anyone else have this problem?
  • bthompbthomp Posts: 69
    That's great Mc2. I have 43K miles with no problems of hard driving and you have 8K miles with conservative (self admitted middle name)driving. That also explains your always quoted "31mpg". Your quote "LeSabre has better ride, accelerates just as well, has better cruddy weather traction handles better" RWD with snow tires and traction control is equal to any FWD. The RWD also gives much better handling in dry, repeat after me 50/50 weight distribution. You can push a CV harder in a turn, you have a better chance of recovering from going too fast in a turn, and you have a chance of recovering on ice (not with FWD). I'd gladly trade a few mpg for that alone. Ride quality is a personal issue. Maybe you like soft n' squishy. If you are trying to say that the ride on the LS is harder then a stock CV/GM..yes it probably is. That's because of all that weight the LS has up front. Easily recitified on the CV by changing the shocks. Did you ever drive the performance and handling package CV? You never did answer that question on the CV board.
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