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  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Oh, my dream would be the 335dxi coupe... I know they'd never come out with an AWD diesel (that would be REALLY imitating Audi), but it's the ideal BMW, IMO.

    If not, I want a 335xi two-door. Is that coming out? I hope so. The new E92 is not only a beauty, but it has a fantastic new powertrain, a surprising amount of standard features and a more exclusive feel.

    Because I'm not settling for neither a 335xi sedan nor a 328xi coupe. They just won't suffice.

    If it doesn't come out, I'll just have to get a 2007 S4 Avant to complement my Cabriolet (a year old- I'd be getting it in 2008 and don't want to spend $60,000 on a winter car). How cool would that be? Especially if it was in Sprint Blue, like what I have now!

    But there's something to mull over here. The wife might have an A8 by then, and the entire reason for getting a new winter car would be that my son takes the A3. That would leave us with four Audis. That seems a little creepy. Perhaps I'll have to get a 911, 6 Series, SL or XKR for my S4 Cabriolet replacement.

    '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Lexusguy or anyone else... my wife is interested in getting a portable GPS with Bluetooth. Got any suggestions?

    Yes. I highly recommend the Garmin Nuvi 360. I've got one that I use in Europe. It's small enough to easily fit in a pocket, and very accurate, has bluetooth, and can announce street names and addresses.

    Nuvi 360
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    If not, I want a 335xi two-door. Is that coming out? I hope so. The new E92 is not only a beauty, but it has a fantastic new powertrain, a surprising amount of standard features and a more exclusive feel.

    Currently they are only making a 328xi coupe. That might change when Audi has their S5.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You seem to misunderstand. I wouldn't care one way or another if the car was totalled out or not, this was a question about the airbags firing or not. Who cares what the status of the car is as far as being totalled or not? That has nothing to do with the conversation about safety engineering.

    You said yourself that you didn't know what makes an airbag fire and that combined with your anti most anything Mercedes stance and we're supposed to take your word on this?

    What does a salvage title have to do with wether or not the airbags fired or not? Some insurance agent/company determined this. You do realize the cost of the car involved in this accident right?

    If you don't understand basic safety engineering that isn't Mercedes/Maybach's fault. Labeling something you don't understand as excuses really isn't the best way to deal with it either.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    That place isn't far from me and I'm tempted to call or even take a ride there to find out more just out of curiosity.

    That would be very interesting if you did.

    We don't know if it was parked when this happened. A truck could have backed into it very slowly. A lot of damage can be done to a car with minimal impact depending on the exact location of the hit and the circumstances... speed, size of vehicle hitting it, angle of hit.

    This is all I was saying, but it seems to be lost on those intent to cry "defect", even when admit they don't know anything about what makes an airbag fire. Pretty amazing to me.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Doesn't really look like a Jaguar to me. Almost looks like a scaled down version of the Aston-Martin Rapide.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    There is supposed to be a 335ix sedan in the spring so maybe they'll do a coupe too.

    M
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,779
    You do realize the cost of the car involved in this accident right?

    Yes I do. That is why it is so unusual for an insurance company to total a car of this value rather than repairing it.

    When a car is totaled, the insurance company is saying that it would take more to repair the car than the car is worth. That usually happens on cheap or older vehicles, or cars that are really squashed, not extremely expensive cars with not much apparent damage.

    The scenario that I discribed is just as plausable as yours. You have no info saying that the airbags performed as they should have. Just your bias and your opinion, for what that is worth.

    Oh yeah, MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The scenario that I discribed is just as plausable as yours. You have no info saying that the airbags performed as they should have. Just your bias and your opinion, for what that is worth.

    The difference is that I've seen this before with all cars, damage like that without airbags having gone off. This about the amount of damage and automatically assuming that the airbags should have gone off is nonsense without knowing the details of the accident. Plus I happen to grasp the concept and know what makes an airbag fire, unlike yourself by your own admission. There is reason why crash tests are done with stationary barriers and/or other vehicles at certain speeds. In short not every crash will trigger an airbag, common knowledge. You concluding that this was a defect is a clear and present thing against anything Mercedes and you know it.

    M
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,779
    The difference is that I've seen this before with all cars, damage like that without airbags having gone off

    Even you should be able to see how silly that sounds. Are you saying you've never seen damage like this where the air bags did deploy? Well I have seen them deploy with damage like this so by your way of thinking that is the difference so I must be right.

    Cars are concieved and manufactured by people. They are mechanical marvels with thousands of parts. They are not perfect and sometimes there is a defect. The concept should not be that hard to grasp.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Perhaps this is the inspiration for the CLR 600 concept?

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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Now that the complete C&D HELC comparo has been posted on the C&D website, the sour grapes spin has begun.

    For example, the entire test should be considered "invalid" since C&D should have announced it was testing a pre-production model of the Lexus LS460L. I wonder, if the LS460L came in first place instead of last, would the same critic of the comparo be noting that the result might not be accurate because the LS460L could have been a pre-production model and with a "real" LS 460L, the car may have finished lower down?

    Weren't the first 3 finishers (occupied by MB, Audi and BMW respectively) also possibly pre-production models?
    Sorry, but I am not buying this great conspiracy against Lexus in the print media.
    Let's face it, the car sinks or swims on its own merit. C&D is not looking to be involved in a scandal that could put it out of business.

    The C&D reviewer found regarding the LS 460L: "its dynamics don't hold up in hard-driving situations."

    Again from C&D regarding the LS 460L: "the variable-ratio steering was also cited for its uncommunicative nature and the electrohydraulic brakes were similarly peculiar in operation producing longer than expected stopping distances." Sounds exactly what I experienced driving the 2005 Lexus GS430-lousy brakes, lousy steering.

    In my opinion, the LS460L does not sound like an emergency maneuver confidence builder.

    After reading such a report, people who spin "conspiracy theories" and "it must have been a pre-production model" are living in a rather peculiar state of denial regarding their own personal safety.

    The end result could very well prove tragic and I hope anyone who has chosen the LS460L never has to put the vehicle through an aggressive emergency maneuver, attempting to avoid a collision with these brakes and steering.

    Please consider the Audi, MB or BMW instead.

    Stay safe out there.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    It looks like the price of ULSD eats into the apparent mpg advantage of modern diesels:

    Smooth power delivery made 35 mpg easily attainable during highway cruises, although the EPA-estimated 37 mpg remained just out of our reach. Combined with occasionally spirited city driving, our total observed fuel economy was less impressive, 24.4 mpg. This still trumps the estimated 19 city/26 highway of the E350, and with an MSRP only $1,000 higher, the $51,550 Bluetec really seems to be the better choice.

    Each time we fueled the Bluetec we noted the price of gasoline. We recorded the average cost of 91-octane premium at $2.60/gallon and 87-octane regular at $2.49/gallon. When averaging the cost of ULSD at each fill-up, we paid an eye-opening $3.19/gallon.

    At first glance it appears the diesel is at a disadvantage, but it actually comes out on top....Using our observed fuel prices, it costs the Bluetec driver roughly $64 while the E350 driver needs about $74 to travel the same 740 miles. Even running 87 octane at that rate has the diesel about $7 ahead. That adds up quickly over a few years of ownership.


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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,779
    If I am not mistaken I believe diesel is cheaper than Reg. in Europe, and it should be here as well.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    If I am not mistaken I believe diesel is cheaper than Reg. in Europe, and it should be here as well.

    Depends where. Many European countries heavily subsidize their diesel, and unsurprisingly, those countries have a much larger percentage of diesel cars on the road than their neighbors.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    It really is a simple question:
    Would Lexus have released a pre-production LS 460 vehicle to C&D for testing unless it was reasonably sure it was an accurate representation of the actual production vehicle?
    They would have to be insane if it wasn't.

    What about the other reviewers who had issues with the brakes and steering? So there is only one 2007 LS going around for reviewing and it happens to be a pre-production vehicle which means it must be a Lexus in name only? :confuse:
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,779
    Powders, please take a break from trolling. No one is biting. It's Christmas!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Instead of lowering yourself by classlessly calling me a name, why don't you answer the question I posed?

    Would Lexus send a pre-production vehicle for C&D to test that would be significantly different in driveability than the production model?

    Also why would anybody pay more for an LS 460 when it has not been shown to be an improvement over the LS 430? Given the former's braking and steering (from the auto press reviews), the LS 460 appears to actually be a step backward.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Lexusguy is correct, the popularity of diesel in Europe has alot to do with tax incentives.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Eh,, that Benz looks more like an emulation of a 1973 Canadaian classic called the Bricklin.

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