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  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    At least by then I will be a older and a more youthful boy racer than I am today.

    That's the spirit. A midlife crisis waiting to happen! ;-)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I have yet to drive an Audi but I have sat in a couple and I am partial to their handsome, upscale interiors. I do wish BMW would learn from them.

    Saw an interior photo of the 2008 550 and unfortunately, it's more of the tired "same old, same old."

    I knew I was in trouble when the brochure had this to say:

    "At first glance, differentiating the 2007 5 Series from the 2008 5 Series is a bit of a challenge." LMAO!! What a gem!!

    I have already crossed the 2008 550 off mein leasing list. ;)

    Should be around $80k MSRP loaded like most folks would want.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    That Lexus, and the LS, have totally taken over "The Apprentice"?

    The teams are designing the ride and drives, commercials every week, The Donald gives his stamp of approval.

    It's more Lexus than plot at this point.

    Lexus will sell their vehicles. Marketing is a major strength. They ain't playin'!

    DrFill ;)
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The teams are designing the ride and drives, commercials every week, The Donald gives his stamp of approval

    Sounds as refined and tasteful as their December Red Bow Campaign :sick:
    If it wasn't for those tacky ads I would probably love Lexus more than you do. Well maybe not :P
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    Got to agree with ya there fill.

    They do marketing better than anybody.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Those scrubs didn't do MY TOL event.

    I woulda had to bust a cap! :(

    Go Carts? That ain't right.

    DrFill :confuse:
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    this just in. Someone in car journalism actually likes the Audi RS4 over the M5..........

    Film at 11:00...errrr inside line.

    Take all the marketing kudos and give them to Lexus.

    Audi has engineered a nose heavy M beater.

    I'm tellin y'all it's on. Audi is bringing fighter jets to knife fights.

    All unbelievers clear the room. The company picnic is expanding from ALMS, and coming to a neighborhood near you.

    Wake the kids, call the in-laws.

    That's how you start a marketing campaign. You go right to the toughest kid on the block, and knock him right on his [non-permissible content removed].
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    You go right to the toughest kid on the block, and knock him right on his [non-permissible content removed].

    BMW sort of did that to themselves. They screwed up the M5, and left the door wide open for Audi to walk in and smack them around a bit. Hopefully this experience will bring the M guys back down to earth and they can start making cars again instead of computers with wheels.
  • 2001gs4302001gs430 Posts: 767
    I really admire your taste for Audi, but I think the company still has a lot to over come the bad reputation they had back in the 80's (or early 90's?).
    I was at a gathering last night, and some friends mentioned that they test drove BMW sedans. They loved how the BMW drove but was disappointed with the interior. I told them to looked at Audi since I heard from this forum that the company has the best interior and very good cars lately. Guess what was the first response from my friends, "we heard that Audi vehicles have this issue with unintended acceleration ". :surprise:
  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    Not surprising at all. M5 is a whole size bigger than RS4, with the inevitable dynamics handicaps, both due to the physical size and weight as well as intended market (people who do not have families get M3 not M5; DSC disable is not a good idea if BMW doesn't want law suits with crushed babies in the backseat in a family car). It just goes to show that, if your primary pursuit is vehicle dynamic performance, HELC is not the place to be.
  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    I don't know of any leasing deals for any auto manufacturer where tires are covered when you turn the car in.

    No other auto manufacturer is advertising "pay nothing and drive 4 years / 50,000 miles" either. $1000+ (or even $2000+ for two sets in 50k miles) is certainly not "pay nothing," especially when we are talking about cars that get leased for only about 20-30% MSRP between cap cost and residual.

    What I do is replace the tires after 2 years whether they are worn or not. That way I get one year of use out of them and the tread will pass the 36 month inspection turn-in.

    Exactly! What with my wife driving, after about 2 years/20k miles, the tires can't pass state safety inspection :-)
  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    Tires are car maintenance items, just like brakes. Gasoline, car insurance, travel and restaurants are not car maintenance.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    DSC disable is not a good idea if BMW doesn't want law suits with crushed babies in the backseat in a family car). It just goes to show that, if your primary pursuit is vehicle dynamic performance, HELC is not the place to be.

    You're not actually serious, are you? BMW's reasoning was not "crushed babies". This M5 was botched from day one. If they had designed it around a manual transmission, you would be able turn off the DSC, just like in the last M5. The RS6 is going to mop the floor with BMW's failure.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well, after 2 years, every one of my vehicles' tires have had sufficient tread left.

    It's more the principle of the thing. If I'm going to have to spend for tires at lease termination, I want a year's worth of use out of them. :(
  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    You're not actually serious, are you?

    Actually, I am. The 5 series is first and foremost a midsize family sedan. 114" wheelbase is a platform engineered for smooth ride, not turning on a dime! For comparison, 911 has a wheelbase of 93", and RS4 has a wheelbase of 104"! With that in mind, automatic transmission only made marketting sense. Just to bring the topic back to HELC a little, a typical stretched HELC nowadays rides on a 120" wheelbase! Handling afficienadoes need not apply.
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    So let's just forget about handling?

    No wonder your a Lexus fan.

    LG is right, the manual can't handle the torque. they should have re programmed the ratios and software, instead they put it out as is [with undefeatable DSC]. I almost wonder if they did it on purpose, because they want to stop making manuals. Everyone in Europe seems to be in love with SMG/DSG style trannys.

    But, there is no asterisk next to this Audi win IMO. I realize to some degree they are in different classes.

    OK. Sorry Pat, no more off topic.
  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    So let's just forget about handling?
    No wonder your a Lexus fan.


    That bit of personal jab is quite uncalled for. I have owned two BMW's, but no Lexus so far. Not putting handling as priority #1 makes me interested in HELC. Notice, not a single S, 7 or LS was tossed into the RS4 vs. M5 jumboree. Size and weight are enemies in handling. As you pointed out, both RS4 and M5 are quite off-topic for HELC. When I shop for a weekend race car, I care about handling very much, just not when shopping for HELC.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Here is a link to a virtual Audi S6-BMW M5 and MB E63AMG road test. Follow the instructions about using keys and your mouse and this virtual test can be quite fun.

    Enjoy!

    VIRTUAL ROAD TEST
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Hopefully this experience will bring the M guys back down to earth and they can start making cars again instead of computers with wheels.

    BMW M series models have evolved from the very harsh 88 M3 into the more refined and sophisticated M series models you see today. Unfortunately the current M5 is a bit too civilized for its own good.

    The very best M series for an enthusiast is the 88 M3. It may not be the fastest but overall it is by far the most exciting car to drive than any of the current versions of "computers on wheels" like the Audi RS or BMW M series models you see today.

    The future enthusiast cars of tomorrow will not be new cars but vintage luddite cars of the past like dated Porsche Carreras and 1980s and 90s BMW M series models.

    Unfortunately "Computers on Wheels' is the future for all cars including performance ones.
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