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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes, Dewey. BMW is firing on all cylinders. :)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes. I previously posted that BMW had record 2006 profits; the best year in history according to CE Reithofer.
    I don't know if this would have been possible without the direct participation of Dewey and me. :blush:

    PS: Interesting and to the point: BMW is looking over their shoulder at Audi and I don't blame them. :surprise:

    The perfect vehicle for me would have BMW handling with an Audi interior and a refreshingly normal push button radio! ;)
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The perfect vehicle for me would have BMW handling with an Audi interior and a refreshingly normal push button radio!

    Sorry I wholeheartedly disagree with you there. A normal push button radio sounds far too radical and simple to me. I kind of like having my brain teased by idrive. At least it excercises my mind and keeps my brain young :)
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Not necessarily. The Z4M is what a Motorsport car should be, rude and crude. Lotus also hasn't become infatuated with computers and iDrive style control systems. Then you have cars like the Ariel Atom, which is an Elise without all the unnecessary extras, like a windshield and body.

    There were roadsters back in 88 that were superior to the M3. My point was that a rude and crude auto like like the 88 M3 was a wonder to behold especially when you can use it to go to the track and in the next hour pick up the kids and go to the store for groceries.

    Try doing that with an Ariel Atom.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    So packaging, as you say it, has everything to do with why MB stopped using I6 designs in the early '90's. So the 96-'03 I-6 TurboDiesel was not an inline design. Your posts are getting more irratic by the minute.

    As with any good thing, why change it. BMW has been the kings of handling for years. Why? A simple 4-strut suspension that only God knows how they actually tune it for optimal comfort/performance combo.

    BMW has some of the sweetest sounding, performing, longest-lasting engines in the biz. Why? An I-6 design has an inherit nature of sounding better than a standard V6. The inline engine design enables it to naturally genarate more power from a much smaller pkg than a conventional V6. And the design also permits the engine to last longer due to less stress and moving parts than most engines.

    Hope this quick tutorial helps.

    BTW: You say that engines developed "engine oil jellying problems shortly after 100k miles."

    Sorry to hear that, but you must adhere to the strict mainatenance guidelines set forth by BMW in order to acheive maximum longevity out of the engine.

    Mabye that's why the Toyota 3.0L V6 never has this problem, oh wait, I think it does in SOME cases, not all.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Good post.
    TM
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,770
    Wow! $11,345 support on 7 series! Wonders of financial engineering

    It is a shame to see a once proud company reduced to discounting like this. I hope they can get it together and pull out of their tailspin. I wonder if their problem is poor management or just inferior cars? Hopefully they can find someone to team up with and pull them through. If it wasn't for the Mini they would really be in bad shape.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well you could be right, Dewey.

    As a self-made retiree, I guess the challenge of iDrive helps prevent the deterioration of my non-regenerative brain cells.
    I should try and preserve the 2 or 3 I have left!

    Quite honestly, the iDrive is certainly not as difficult to use as the media have made it out to be.

    Certainly though, when traveling to a different state or province in your case, having radio tuning embedded deeply within the bowels of iDrive is a bad idea. That's why I bring CD's with me when I travel across long distances.

    On another note, I imagine the incredible results posted by BMW today has made you as proud of this great company as I am.
    Absolutely brilliant management combined with the best performing vehicles across every segment BMW participates in, from ELPS to LPS to HELC to SUV's to touring vehicles, along with breathtaking Bangle styling has made BMW the envy of the automotive industry. Imagine raising the stock dividend over 9%!

    Now if only BMW would divorce itself from that ridiculous little thing they call the "Mini." :shades:
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    A driving machine with style! No discounts in that corner of the showroom. ;)

    Wish BMW could duplicate that. BMWs get less appealing the higher you go. :sick:

    DrFill
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    "I should try and preserve the 2 or 3 (neurons) I have left!"

    Be careful. When only one left, you will be levelled with the prime ministers and presidents of all countries :sick: No more BMWs to drive thereafter.

    Jose ;)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "When only one (neuron) left, you will be levelled with the prime ministers and presidents of all countries."

    Yes I have noticed that the best-qualified, really smart people usually wind up as "advisors", rarely getting the top job.

    Of course the CE of BMW, Herr Reithofer, proves to be a brilliant exception! :)
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,770
    Hp, there is a 2008 BMW 5 series brochure posted on the "Luxury Performance Sedan" forum that you will like. Nice. See post #9193.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    "Incentives stand at an average of $4,125 per vehicle, which is about 60 percent higher compared to Mercedes ($2,573) and Audi ($2,607). Most of these discounts are related to BMW's active move into competitive lease deals," the report said.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thanks. I did see the brochure. To my eyes, the 2008 interior looks pretty much like what they are offering now, which to me means drab and boring.

    3 BMW's. Pretty much the same interior. The only difference is the wood strip gets wider as one proceeds up the price ladder!

    BMW is supposedly looking over their shoulder at Audi.
    Apparently, they are not too worried.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Audi sales are still a tiny fraction of BMW's, especially at the 5 and 7 level. At least in this market anyway. In Europe you can bet BMW is very worried about Audi. In the states Audi still needs to work on their marketing, especially on the A6 and A8. Their rapidly expanding lineup is great, but they need the core models to sell, first.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I'm just not as worried about BMW as some of you suggest. While Lexus and even Audi and Mercedes will take a little bite out of BMW, BMW will bite back hard with newer models, performance enhancements, and innovative technology.

    The BMW interiors haven't stopped buyers, and the X5 is an example of the direction BMW interiors can take. People like the focus on performance and handling, regardless of what some have posted recently, and BMW delivers in spades.

    They are leaders in design as well. Just look how BMW shook the world with their recent designs, and nearly everyone paid attention and many followed, even Lexus.

    BMW's engines are some of the best on the planet.

    Dramatic styling coupled with invigorating performance makes a great formula.

    I'd sure love to have their upcoming 335i twin-turbo retractible hardtop convertible.

    Throw in the towel regarding BMW? No way. Not me!

    TagMan
  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    So packaging, as you say it, has everything to do with why MB stopped using I6 designs in the early '90's. So the 96-'03 I-6 TurboDiesel was not an inline design. Your posts are getting more irratic by the minute . . . Hope this quick tutorial helps.

    The 96-03 turbodiesel simply had an old design. The first modern production MB V6 was put into 1998 C280 gasoline car about a decade ago. The decision to switch from I6 to V6 for packaging was made in the early 90's; it took years to work out an entirely new engine design. While I'm willing and eager to learn something new every day, considering the relative knowledge base involved between the two of us, I don't think gratuitous personal insults helps your argument.

    Sorry to hear that, but you must adhere to the strict mainatenance guidelines set forth by BMW in order to acheive maximum longevity out of the engine.

    I changed oil every 3000 miles at the dealership. There was no free maintenance program back then.

    Mabye that's why the Toyota 3.0L V6 never has this problem, oh wait, I think it does in SOME cases, not all.

    Regardless whether Toyota did or did not, how does that help with your argument regarding BMW easily lasting 200k miles? For what it's worth, one of my two 5 series also had a complete transmission breakdown shortly after 100k miles.
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Yes, in Europe BMW should be worried about Audi. Audi is getting a bigger share of the cake year after year.

    Yet Audi has taken 30 years to overtake MB and blow into BMW ear. I remember when at the end of the Seventies of the last Century Audi was seen as a mere third thought well behind MB and BMW. Audi has been perseverant all that time, no doubt.

    Audi success here has also taken advantage of its smart management of its racing division, IMO. Audi has not only built winning cars for Le Mans but also for national and intra-european Series. To the latter, with cars based on modified street models. This gives Audi a label of appealing sportiness and glamour which is much like that of BMW but blended with more glowing interiors.

    I wonder whether Audi is preparing a better selling strategy in the USA or it is patiently waiting to some opportunity in the future.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    I certainly hope BMW sticks around for a long time, and continue to provide us consumers with fabulous deals (two somewhat conflicting wishes :-)

    BMW can afford to be an "also-run" in the 7 series market segment. Heavy discounting on brand new X5 is also marginally okay since it's not their core competence. Some of the mistakes with regarding the 3 series however are very problematic because that's BMW's core competence. Take for example, the run-flats, it's a clear case of making packaging a higher priority than handling; run-flats simply do not make for good handling. That compromise would have been fine with 7 series HELC, and X5 SUV/SAV, but 3 series?? If the platform is that desperate for packaging requirement, the company should have considered plunking down more money and work on a shorter engine instead of adopting those poor-handling run-flats . . . while they still have the money.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Yeh, I know it isn't the most elegant piece of econometric analysis, but just for chuckles I compared asking prices on Cars.com for the 7 Series vs. the S Class. I set the parameters at a max spending level of 45K and the vehicle must be within 500 miles of Block Island.

    When the dust had settled the pricing seems to be the same between brands. Options didn't seem to count for much, although colors did. For just under 45K you could pick up a well whipped 05 S Class with 50,000 miles from a variety of NY metro area leasing companies. Some AWD and some RWD. It didn't affect the price. For the same price you could get an '04 with only 30-35,000 miles from a legit new car dealer and for, again the same price, you could get a Starmarked '03 S Class from a MB dealer. Naturally, the white and gold colored S Classes were cheaper.

    The 7 Series came out to be priced the same as the above, maybe a $1000 or so less. They seemed to have less mileage though and fewer were for sale by leasing companies. (Maybe more are privately owned or more reliability problems kept them from racking up the miles?).

    Curiously, there wasn't much room between a used S Class and a used optioned out E Class such as an E500 AWD of the same model year. If you were willing to spend a couple of thousand dollars more and "forgive" maybe 10,000 additional miles you could buy an S Class for the same price as an E Class. As a side note (I think the economists call it a "lema"), buying a new E Class seems foolish with lots of used '06 E Classes out there at 45K asking when MSRP is roughly 57K with leather and a roof. The vast number of E Classes sold in the East and the narrow array of colors and options turn them into a commodity item when used.

    YMMV
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