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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    You forgot to mention the Maxima is also the most singularly fugly car on the road today. I had an '02 6-speed, but they lost me on buying a new one when they came out with the new styling and CVT.

    I agree, although the Maxima really lost its way years earlier when they went to a beam axle for the sake of rear seat room. So much for the "four door sports car".
  • A reporter from a national newspaper is hoping to talk to consumers who have been shopping for a European vehicle (BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Audi or others) and have found them to be more expensive because of the Euro exchange rates. Please reply to no later than Monday, October 1, 2007 with your daytime contact info.

    Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,774
    In CR's latest reliability ratings Mercedes Benz has plummeted to the bottom.

    The only Mercedes with an above average rating is the lowly C class. That means their luxury cars are really, really unreliable. As a result their sales have suffered. I am surprised that they sell anything above the C class.

    This is unacceptable and inexcusable for an auto maker that was once known for good build quality and reliability.

    My take is that they are desperately trying to hold onto their profit margins by scrimping on quality. In their frantic efforts to compete with Lexus they have, indeed, thrown the baby out with the bath water!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • I don't have a dog in this fight, since Mercedes doesn't really appeal to me anyway, but I would take what CR says with a grain of salt. Their testing and rating methods have come into question in the past. Their ratings are based on the responses to member surveys, not necessarily a stringent quantitative methodology.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,774
    I see your point and agree with it somewhat. I have owned more than one Mercedes in the past and they have been OK. But when CR and Wards both put them near the bottom there has to be some truth there.

    The problem I have with CR is how do they know their respondents are being truthful? For instance, the Prius was rated #1 in reliability but I have heard of many, many problems with that particular car. I have a tough time with that one.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,207
    ". . .the Prius was rated #1 in reliability. . ."

    Oh, ye of little faith.

    You have to remember that a hybrid is a "lifestyle statement" and that CR is pimping big time for those who will make one.

    Their highly-regarded (by the brain-dead) reliability studies come from a self-selected cohort. The self-righteous among them who have had trouble with their hybrid vehicles would rather spend time with Rush Limbaugh (in person) than report trouble. They're silent, and CR continues to pimp the green agenda. Oh boy.

    Calming down a bit, it's important to remember that the CR reliability stuff comes from only those who choose to respond to a tedious survey form that takes quite awhile to complete. Unless you have a message to send, I'm guessing you're going to blow it off.

    Go figure.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,774
    Lol. Just what I was trying to say but you said it much better than I could!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,774
    In the category, "Sports/Sporty cars" there were 12 entries.
    The "sporty" Volkswagen GTI came in dead last, number 12! Right behind the Hyundai Tiburon! Amazing, but not really surprising I guess.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • eliaselias Posts: 1,830
    1/4-ton-dude, you say the Maxima and the M35 are the same car and that makes me wonder if you are engaging in posterior speech egress.
    Isn't it true that M35 is RWD and Maxima is FWD? so right off the bat don't we see that they are very different cars, not the same at all? thank you.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,774
    Lol! Infiniti used to have the I30 but it has been dropped. It was pretty much a re-badged Maxima... but nothing like the M35.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • Why would you choose a Mercedes instead of a BMW as your luxury car of choice? I own a Mercedes CLS500 and chose it over a BMW but am interested in why others may have made a similar decision.
  • The level of comfort in a Mercedes for me, surpasses that of the BMW. I have a Mercedes 420sel that I've had the past three years and not once at high speeds was i uncomfortable it handles well and i have very little reason to think of buying a new car. But if i had to think of a reason to buy a new car it would be because of how hard it is to find small parts replacement badging etc. And yes i looked at BMW as well before i bought my mercedes and i just couldn't see my self driving a BMW as old as my Mercedes and keeping it as long as i have my Mercedes. Be sure to open your Mercedes up to at least 120mph other wise it would have been a complete waist to have made that purchase! :)
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,774
    I have owned a couple of MBs and a BMW in the past and I much prefer the MB simply because I felt they were built better, looked better, drove better, and were more reliable.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • I agree. The design of MB vehicles are timeless, not to mention after the last of a model rolls off the assembly line they instantly begin to increase in value and its given the designation of being a classic, trust me on this my benz is 21 going on 22 years old. I paid $700 for it a few years ago when it was worth $3000 and i can sell right now for $10K. :shades:
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    seems to me every1 is favoring the mb.

    But i am sure many will surely have hesitations buying a mb after reading these messages,

    My dad had owned a couple of mbs in the past he says its the best cars through could never found out the reliability because of accidents :sick:

    He still says its the best luxury cars,

    But no offend guys i am seriously a bmw fan, specially the x5. ;)
  • Yeah, you know what I found in doing my research? That there's an ageist component to the demographics of MBZ afficionados, which is really weird to me. According to some of those surveyed, they thought MBZ "was for old people." I responded, "well maybe it's because they last so long!" I plan to keep my 2006 CLS500 for over 120,000 miles, a) because I drive ALOT and the trade in value will probably be negligible after 5 years; b) it is a GREAT, SEXY car. Thanks for your responses! I got a great review on my speech and your feedback was motiviating :blush: .
  • moxiemoxie Posts: 33
    Lexusguy, what do you mean by "beam axle" ? The Nissan website lists the Maxima as having "independent strut-type" front suspension and "multi-link independent" rear suspension.

  • MB is not always for the older people, i'm 19 and have owned my benz for years. And dont bother selling your CLS500 thats a modelthat MB no longer makes and in 15-16 years it will be worth far more than you think. Oh, I did NOT by my MB as a status symbol either.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Lexusguy, what do you mean by "beam axle" ? The Nissan website lists the Maxima as having "independent strut-type" front suspension and "multi-link independent" rear suspension.

    Thats for the current model. The Maxima started out life having an IRS. They changed it to a live axle in order to increase rear seat room I think two generations ago ('97?). The current car switched back to an independent setup.
  • I am interested in getting some perspectives on a lease for a 2008 MB S550 4Matic. The MSRP of the car is $98, 950, and has the premium III package. The lease specifics are: 39 month lease with 15K per year, with a MF of 3.00, and a $5k down payment. The residual is $49, 801. The monthly payment works out to be $1,695 per month. Is this a good deal? Thanks for the help!
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