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  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    I think anyone with a pulse would pick the Bentley over those 2 cars *and* blow the $100k one saved on remodelling the yacht's kitchen sink area or something. :-)

    Honestly, Bentleys are some of the few cars in existence that still have *soul*. The Maybach is an over-artificial marketing exercise and is a total miss in design, the Rolls needs its front re-designed to regain its former elegance.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    You were onto the styling issue very early in the game on the Maybach - and thought it was its shortcoming - despite your partisan to MB. Apparently you were right on the money and quite objective about it. I only saw one on the road - going into the Lincoln tunnel in the winter and it was filthy due to all the snow on the ground at the time. But the grill with its Lincoln-like look seemed to cheapen the car. I found this ironic for MB - because I think the enlarged grill on the 2003 S-class made it a better looking car. So I liked the grill on one MB and disliked it on its much higher priced brother. I had thought the pre-2003 S-class grill was too small and mousy looking. That was really - in my opinion the only design flaw on the car.

    It's really so arbitrary and so personal as to what drives buyers. One spin in the A8 and I knew I could not buy the car. Why? - far too harsh a ride which is a deal breaker item for me. Yet a poster on the A8 board, who also thought the ride was harsh was not driven away from buying the car, or at least is still considering it seriously. So we all have our desires in high-end cars and I would think the higher you go the more selective you get. I still like the Maybach style but if I were in that league of buyers - its reasonably close resemblance to an S-class might end up bothering me. No question that the Rolls - like it or not - is an attention grabber and very unique. The more I see it the more I like it.

    Now - in all honesty I am seriously shopping SUV's - not your favorite topic at all. I drove the Tourag today and it is far removed from being in the LX470 and Range Rover league. These are the only - in my opinion - two players in the high-end lux SUV league. Can't go wrong with either. I did finally drive the 2003 LX as well and as good as my 2000 is the new one is an even better luxury ride and quieter still. Maybe it's the 18" tires. Now I've got to find out the changes in store for 2004. I'm buying this time so I'm really doing my homework.
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    I think by far the worst design element in the Mayback is the back of the car. The all-over tailight element is both cheap and utterly outdated in a *bad* (i.e. not "classic") way. The front also lacks character, I totally agree. And from the side its vanilla sedan - most cars look pretty much the same in a profile shot these days.

    As far as SUVs go -and while I wouldn't drive one, given the quality of many US roads I fully understand why many do- I think the Range Rover is in a clas of its own. I've spent quite a bit of time with the LX470, and it is lovely, but the Range Rover is a class above in interior design. Without a doubt one of the top 5 interiors (in *any* price class) in the automobile world these days. Lovely - especially if you stay away from some of the more questionable greenish color combos ("vomit over bile") that BMW somehow is growing fond of these days. I'd pick the Range, but as you say, you can't go totally wrong with either.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well you know how I am about styling, astethics and the sheer curbside appeal of these luxury cars, so when one (even an MB made product) doesn't live up to the standard I cannot tell a lie. The Maybach looks are not what they should be. The final test will be when I get to see one on the road, because at all the autoshows this past winter it looked good, but I think imposing would have been a better word. It sure doesn't look anything like the S-Class, the Lincoln analogy is much more accurate. I've got to see one on the open road. There have been a number of German styling misses as of late, the 7-Series, most likely the 5-Series, the CLK coupe, and the Maybach. I haven't seen the new CLK Cabriolet yet.

    I'm surprised you didn't like the VW SUV, it's interior has that Audi build to it. Go for the Range Rover, it's a stunner for a "truck". I'll be awaiting your final decision.

    M
  • t6553gwt6553gw Posts: 18
    I saw and sit in a testing Maybach in Hamburg, once I get close to it, I started to feel excited by the sheer size and once I sit in it, I knew it not just a oversized S-calss, I think somehow it hides its extraordinary character from a distance.
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    That plasticky late 80s Oldsmobile posterior is still inexcusable, though. No one doubts the Maybach is a technology tour de force and has phenomenal inner values. It just doesn' caress the eye.
  • eric312eric312 Posts: 71
    I recently bought a 2001 740I and I keep having random electronic problems with it. Just wondering if someone has experienced something similar. For example:
    1. When I press the button on the door the side mirrors do not close
    2. When the door is open I have to press and hold the memory button in order to get driver’s seat into programmed position. According to the manual I should only have to hold the button when the door is closed.
    3. Alarm does not unlock the doors until I unlock them with a key manually.
    4. If I leave the car parked with the front wheels turned, when I come back to the car and start driving the steering wheel is very stiff until I stop with the wheels straight and turn off the car for a few minutes.
    All of the above happens randomly so if I just go to the dealer I will not be able to demonstrate it to him.

    Three more “improvement” questions:
    1 Has anyone connected a later model Motorola phones to 740 instead of the old StarTec that it came with and how much did it cost?
    2. Where and for how much can I buy updated DVDs for navigation?
    3 Is it possible to watch TV and play DVD on the navigation screen?
  • Eric212, come one, you're kidding?
  • "2. Where and for how much can I buy updated DVDs for navigation?
    3 Is it possible to watch TV and play DVD on the navigation screen?"

    Navigation DVD's should be available, at least to be ordered, from your BMW dealer/service department.

    I don't believe U.S. cars have the ability to play movies in the navigation screen; for safety reasons, U.S.-bound cars usually have the feature turned off making it impossible to watch movie DVD's while at rest or at speed. In Europe, BMWs, Jaguars, and Mercedes I believe, all have the ability to play movie DVD's in the nav system, so it is possible to rewire the thing to work...

    Other stuff all seems pretty minor too; for the most part, it sounds like some of the electrical connections are not getting through, and something's up with your power-steering pumps or something if the wheels are acting up that way. Just go to your dealer and have them fix it all, if not just to get rid of annoyances like non-functioning buttons, at least to be safe with the steering system. Hope all goes well.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Road and Track (Sept) has a review of the Maybach 57 too. Their review is saying basically the same thing as all the rest, outstanding interior thats better than the exterior. Their test car is Black over Grey, and somewhat better looking than the lighter color choices. The performance of the 57 is unbelievable for car of it's size and weight, 4.9 secs 0-60 and 60 mph through the slalom, which is about 4 mph slower than the Cadillac XLR, SL500 and Jaguar XK8. Its the same as the SC430.

    I know you're looking at SUV and you want luxury over sport...so something like a Cayenne Turbo is out huh?

    M
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    I don't have too much doubt that the Maybach is the best car on the planet. I just wish someone (not my wife with our joint money) would buy me one.

    SUV's - I've decided to hold off on the decision to later in the year. I'll take a 2004 rather than a late model 2003. I love both the Range Rover and the LX but the latter will likely be the choice because of the higher seating capacity. I don't like the Cayenne at all. In fact I have mistaken the Santa Fe (Hyundai or whoever makes it) for it in my rear mirror a few times. I'm sure it's got Porsche quality and sportiness all over it but I can't bring myself to buy an SUV for sport features. A friend of mine moved from a Landcruiser to an X-5 and said the latter is not good in rain let alone in snow. He loves it but for SUV driving wishes he had stayed with the TLC. He also misses the interior space. SUV's - as I use them are for people hauling, heavy cargo and require plenty of interior room, comfort and luxury but I don't like the real large ones. Thus the RR and LX hit the sweet spot perfectly. Plus I like the car like ride that both the RR and LX have for such big imposing vehicles. They both have nearly as good a ride quality as the S-class and LS430 lux sedans.

    I think I've become boring when it comes to cars. In the lux end it's the S vs. LS (love both and fully appreciate the excellence of both), in the SUV land it's the RR vs the LX (same opinion as above) and in the sport end I love the SL and SC. I also love the CCI if I wanted to go cheaper. Regardless of price points what am I most likely to buy in that group - LS, LX and SL. I'm past my SC desire (still love everything about the car though) but in all honesty I'm a likely SL buyer (it's MB's most special car in my opinion - excluding AMG's) within 3+ years when I sell out my shares in a business I own.

    On another front - Interesting story in the business section of todays NY Times. Apparently more and more Europeans are buying Japanese (Toyota naturally leading the way) cars. Since I go to Europe often I know how difficult it is to crack the nationalistic buying trends there. The primary reason the Japanese are gaining share is the high build quality, high reliability and the lower prices. I think in the years to come you will see Lexus start to penetrate that luxury market as well. Slowly at first and then quicker and quicker. That's the way it has gone in the UK. The article did say the European manufacturers are starting to form alliances to fight it off. At least they are reacting early in the game - unlike GM, Ford and Chrysler who ended up being reactive rather than proactive 20+ years ago.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well you knew I'd go for that. I'm just waiting to see a Maybach on the street.

    I can fully understand your position with SUVs. They really are meant for utility and/or off roading and the RR and the TLC are the best at doing both luxury and off roading, especially the Range Rover.

    I say instead of a SL500, try a SL55...that should liven things up a bit. Or since you're looking at 2-door cars, what about a CL500 or CL55? While I love the SL too, I think the CL is Mercedes best car, SL style, and more room. The Cabrio version of the CL (2004 or 05) should be about perfect. Which car did you mean in your third paragraph "CCI"?

    M
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    BMW330. It's the only BMW I truly like and I like it a lot.

    Hey - I just got my R&T today. I thought we got it earlier than you on the East Coast. Did you happen to catch the $100k Lexus V-10 GT on PG 48 that they say will come out in 2005? That'll mean the end of the NSX unless Acura gets more serious with power plants. You will see Lexus go upscale a lot in the next few years. The competition will bring out the best in all of the brands. Have you ever seen so many great cars around? Let me know what do you think of that V-10GT.

    I'll read the Maybach story tommorrow. I see that Edmunds also reviewed it.

    Alright - I'm going to bed. Reading materials for a long board meeting tommorrow made me come back to Edmunds for some last second relaxation. I rarely see you post this late. You're usually an early bird.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    BMW330. It's the only BMW I truly like and I like it a lot.

    Hey - I just got my R&T today. I thought we got it earlier than you on the East Coast. Did you happen to catch the $100k Lexus V-10 GT on PG 48 that they say will come out in 2005? That'll mean the end of the NSX unless Acura gets more serious with power plants. You will see Lexus go upscale a lot in the next few years. The competition will bring out the best in all of the brands. Have you ever seen so many great cars around? Let me know what do you think of that V-10GT.

    I'll read the Maybach story tommorrow. I see that Edmunds also reviewed it.

    Alright - I'm going to bed. Reading materials for a long board meeting tommorrow made me come back to Edmunds for some last second relaxation. I rarely see you post this late. You're usually an early bird.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    BMW330. It's the only BMW I truly like and I like it a lot.

    Hey - I just got my R&T today. I thought we got it earlier than you on the East Coast. Did you happen to catch the $100k Lexus V-10 GT on PG 48 that they say will come out in 2005? That'll mean the end of the NSX unless Acura gets more serious with power plants. You will see Lexus go upscale a lot in the next few years. The competition will bring out the best in all of the brands. Have you ever seen so many great cars around? Let me know what do you think of that V-10GT.

    I'll read the Maybach story tommorrow. I see that Edmunds also reviewed it.

    Alright - I'm going to bed. Reading materials for a long board meeting tommorrow made me come back to Edmunds for some last second relaxation. I rarely see you post this late. You're usually an early bird.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    BMW330. It's the only BMW I truly like and I like it a lot.

    Hey - I just got my R&T today. I thought we got it earlier than you on the East Coast. Did you happen to catch the $100k Lexus V-10 GT on PG 48 that they say will come out in 2005? That'll mean the end of the NSX unless Acura gets more serious with power plants. You will see Lexus go upscale a lot in the next few years. The competition will bring out the best in all of the brands. Have you ever seen so many great cars around? Let me know what do you think of that V-10GT.

    I'll read the Maybach story tommorrow. I see that Edmunds also reviewed it.

    Alright - I'm going to bed. Reading materials for a long board meeting tommorrow made me come back to Edmunds for some last second relaxation. I rarely see you post this late. You're usually an early bird.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    BMW330. It's the only BMW I truly like and I like it a lot.

    Hey - I just got my R&T today. I thought we got it earlier than you on the East Coast. Did you happen to catch the $100k Lexus V-10 GT on PG 48 that they say will come out in 2005? That'll mean the end of the NSX unless Acura gets more serious with power plants. You will see Lexus go upscale a lot in the next few years. The competition will bring out the best in all of the brands. Have you ever seen so many great cars around? Let me know what do you think of that V-10GT.

    I'll read the Maybach story tommorrow. I see that Edmunds also reviewed it.

    Alright - I'm going to bed. Reading materials for a long board meeting tommorrow made me come back to Edmunds for some last second relaxation. I rarely see you post this late. You're usually an early bird.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    BMW330. It's the only BMW I truly like and I like it a lot.

    Hey - I just got my R&T today. I thought we got it earlier than you on the East Coast. Did you happen to catch the $100k Lexus V-10 GT on PG 48 that they say will come out in 2005? That'll mean the end of the NSX unless Acura gets more serious with power plants. You will see Lexus go upscale a lot in the next few years. The competition will bring out the best in all of the brands. Have you ever seen so many great cars around? Let me know what do you think of that V-10GT.

    I'll read the Maybach story tommorrow. I see that Edmunds also reviewed it.

    Alright - I'm going to bed. Reading materials for a long board meeting tommorrow made me come back to Edmunds for some last second relaxation. I rarely see you post this late. You're usually an early bird.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    BMW330. It's the only BMW I truly like and I like it a lot.

    Hey - I just got my R&T today. I thought we got it earlier than you on the East Coast. Did you happen to catch the $100k Lexus V-10 GT on PG 48 that they say will come out in 2005? That'll mean the end of the NSX unless Acura gets more serious with power plants. You will see Lexus go upscale a lot in the next few years. The competition will bring out the best in all of the brands. Have you ever seen so many great cars around? Let me know what do you think of that V-10GT.

    I'll read the Maybach story tommorrow. I see that Edmunds also reviewed it.

    Alright - I'm going to bed. Reading materials for a long board meeting tommorrow made me come back to Edmunds for some last second relaxation. I rarely see you post this late. You're usually an early bird.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    YIKES! You must have had the same error when trying to post that I had earlier. I had to go back and delete the double posts.

    Well a BMW 330Ci is a fine car too, and I'm sure it's merely a matter of writing a check for you.

    Yep I saw the Lexus V10 GT, its a interesting car, except for the styling. The rear end being what needs work the most. I'm not so sure if the car should be a Lexus or a Toyota, the Lexus name has a long way to go with people who like Porsches and Ferraris. Anyway it's much to early to get into that, the car is still a ways off. Just like the Frankfurt show reveals all for the German brands, all eyes will be on Toyko this year for these Toyotas/Lexus models as well as the next RL, and possibly some type of NSX concept.

    I'm more interesting in seeing the next Supra. I'd had no problem with buying a this particular Toyota. All they have to do is price it like the 350Z, match or exceed that car's peformance and styling and most importantly give it a better interior than the Z. The Z's interior reminded me of a cardboard box in look, feel and smell. The one I drove had about 30 miles on it and it rattled like a years old car. I never thought about the car since.

    Nope, never in my short time (since about 85') of following cars seriously have I seen such a glut of expensive and powerful cars. I can't imagine being one of the richy-rich that can afford to buy whatever. I'd go mad. I think I'd have about 20-25 cars!

    I usually lurk around the boards at night during down-time at work.

    M
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