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  • ferarri11ferarri11 Posts: 91
    you all have to remember that audi's name was falsely tarnished by 60 minutes, and they later apologized for their poor reporting. in Europe, audis sell the same as MB and more than BMW. audi is still recovering from this, but with such good cars as the A4 and A6 and A8, they have created car that are better than MB and BMW. look at autosite, and for luxury pics, the A8 gets the ultimate pic twice, same as S class. and it is older. no 7 series. the A8 doesnt impress as much as the S class to people who dont know cars. it is class without flash and mass. the S class is a great car but has questionable interior plastic and a weird COMAND system. the A8 does have a better quality interior. MB and BMW quality are also not exactly stellar compared to audi...in consumer reports, the A6 and the E class had the same reliablility. it was only average. they dont mention the S class or A8. the S has horrible problems with the suspension and electricals now. the E has glitches after 4 years. the A6 has glitches too. the 5 has glitches. no cars have incredible reliability. all are good.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,674
    While Kappaman can certainly defend himself without my help, I must add to your comments. I personally get annoyed at people who tell those who have money "find a cure for cancer" or "feed the starving." While those are noble causes, it appears that Kappaman wants to do something else with the money that, I assume, he earned. An old friend, a minister, (I am still not preaching religion to anyone) once told me, "the best way to help the poor is to NOT be one of them." He always spoke of prosperity to whomever he met. If I want to spend my money on a homeless shelter, I will. But if I want to spend that same money on a Jaguar, it will be just as well spent, because the money is mine, and spending it on ME is just as noble a cause as the shelter. It is one thing to be selfish. It is another to first take care of one's SELF (and family, if such exists).
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    It ain't that serious man. I ain't Bill Gates, so I don't have enough money to find the cure for cancer. By the way, no amount of money has yet. As far a feeding the homeless is concerned, I do. It is part of what I do as a KAPPAMAN. We also do voter registration, bone marrow donation drives, muscular dystrophy drives, toys for tots and so on. I also mentor the youth and college student. I'm not the super selfish guy you seem to think I am. Just because I like to buy expensive cars doesn't make me an a** hole. I'm really a nice guy...until I'm pushed.

    Bill Gates driving a LS400 does mean much to me. Ophray driving an A8 does mean much to me. My driving a Jaguar mean a lot to me. You see I've want a Jaguar since I was about 15 years old. The only reason I waited to get the Jag is reliability concerns. When J.D. Power and Intellichoice gave them excellent report I took my chance with them, and they have been no less reliable that the other brand that I've owned.

    ferrarri11, I am a legend in my own mind. I was that way when I was driving a Cutlass. My head was already pretty large. Remember, I told you I have the cars because I belief I deserve this type of luxury. Now I can afford them, so I have them. As far as seeking help, I married a woman with a psychology degree, and she helps me buy them. I know, we both need help.

    One question for you ferrarri11. If you think luxury car buyer are crazy, why are you chatting about high end luxury cars, and what makes you think that I would pay this type money for a car that I didn't initially like?
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    Correction. Bill and Ophrah driving what they drive doesn't me much to me.
  • ferarri11ferarri11 Posts: 91
    i dont have anything against buying expensive cars, i have an A6 2.7t. you said that you owned or leased 6 luxury cars in a 7 year span. correct me if i am wrong. if you bought each one and sold them in succession, you lost over 40000 though depreciation. it is wasteful, and the warranty is not even up. i could only justify this excess if i had a large nest egg. if the economy turns sour, could i support my family still if i loose my job? i hope you can answer yes to this question before you make a dealer happy selling back a perfectly good car for another. most cant say they can. during the 1980s in houston, many people on my street were buying excessively and when the economy turned sour they had to foreclose. it was a good part of town. we werent poor, but in a few months we had only half the number of neighbors. i only speak because of experience. you said that it's better to spend money when you are young rather than old. while this sounds good when times are bright, it will put you in the poor house quickly when the economy crashes. and it will. my family has had money for more than a century and we still have it because it wasnt wasted. we live well, but not excessively.
    stick with a car you like and dont even bother what everyone else says, you dont need to impress somenoelse to be happy only yourself.
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    You are still making assumptions. I plan for tomorrow, but I enjoy today as much as I can. What you call waste I call an experience in luxury. 7 cars was in about 5 years between me and my wife. Didn't lose but about a fourth of what you think. I've got ways and means. Don't ask how. Ancient African secret. :) Not really worried about the economy, I have contingency plans for that. Besides, I put my faith in God, not the economy. I'll be alright, but thank you for looking out for me. "Those who can do, those who can't teach". I'm about doing what I want and can.

    The cars are not where my happiness lay. I've had some problems with all them. They are material wealth. While nice, I understand they are not the keys to life. I have not had the fortune of my family having money for a century, but then again, "God bless the child thats got his own". We've done fairly well, and our offspring will benefit for years to come.

    ferarri11, its obvious that we look at things differently. Thats cool with me. It takes all types. I'll accept you calling me shallow, silly, and all that other stuff. Hell, I can laugh at myself and actually may agree with you. Its all good, I ain't mad at you. I still will do my best not to insult you like that though.

    Well, don't much more we need to discuss about the luxury car thing. When I look at it, we really haven't talk much about cars at all. Anyway, peace.
  • ferarri11ferarri11 Posts: 91
    that's good. i just wouldnt like what happened to the people down my street and other acquaintances to happen to other people, even people i dont personally know.
  • swiftmswiftm Posts: 68
    Bill drives a lexus sc 400 and Ophrah drives a Toyota camery. I am sure they have many others.
  • ferarri11ferarri11 Posts: 91
    bill gates also owns a lamborghini that is impounded usually, and oprah drives a JGC also.


    when will the XJ8 be redesigned?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Now, I can't see Oprah in a Camry.

    M
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    Jaguar XJ series should be redesigned in 2002. They run on a 7 year cycle for sedans. Although the XJS ran 21 years before they replaced it with the XK8 coupe. I'm waiting to see what the new 7 series BMW will look like also. Don't much like the new S-class(though it is growing on me) or the new LS430(look to much like the old S-class)
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,674
    Considering your posts of the last few months, I truly expect you to be sitting in the newly designed Jaguar, first vehicle on these shores. Let's see, silver with black interior, waxed to the max, shiny wheels...come to think of it, you look good in it already :-)
  • ferarri11ferarri11 Posts: 91
    i heard the new XJs will be built off the S type platform stretched and strengthened.
  • dphamdpham Posts: 3
    For those who just purchased a BMW 740i Sport, could you share what price you paid? I'm interested in getting one. Is 1000-1500 over invoice a good deal?

    Thanks
  • scongroscongro Posts: 80
    Yes, when the new Jag XJ comes around, it will share underpinnings with the S-Type 4.0, but with a longer wheelbase.
  • 2jags22jags2 Posts: 4
    gentelmen,

    aren't we getting really philosophical about life here? not that i disagree or agree with either one of you(we are all entitled to our opinions--that's what makes the world go around) , it seems that this is not the right stage to discuss ways of life ,but to discuss HIGH END LUXURY CARS.
    as far as an audi is concerned---ouch--see my past post ,it is simply the worst sedans we have owned.no car ,no matter how much you'd spend on it, will not be trouble free. the question is --how can you stomach with repeated trips to the dealer, and its attitude towards your complanits.
  • gstutzgstutz Posts: 3
    Does anyone in this forum know how to fix a cellphone that keeps coming on and off. I have never had the phone activated and this problem just started about 3 weeks ago. This is driving me nuts!! It only occurs when the car is turned off. I have tried pulling the fuse..no good because the cellphone and the radio share a fuse. I have read the cellphone manual for assistance and either I am blind or there is no help to be found there. Maybe you know of a forum that specializes in technical assistance? Thanks in advance for some assistance.
  • scongroscongro Posts: 80
    I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. Have you noticed that all of the recent Mercedes-Benz models all have the same taillights, and very similar headlights. Personally, I like to see cars share things across the board, but this IMO is a little excessive.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well really on the new C and S share their look exactly. However all Mercedes cars have had the ribbed taillamps for years. The CL is the preview of the next SL, which will look exactly like the CL in the front. The E and CLK are pretty much on their own right now. However they all carry the taillights, grille, and C-pillar shape, its the Mercedes way.

    M
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    Don't like the styling on the new S-class or LS430. Scared to buy another BMW because of the numerous problems I had with my 740il. My Jaguar Vanden Plas needs to be redesigned because its becoming a little dated. I'm also afraid that Ford is going to cheapen the Big Cat. A8 needs some exciting styling to get me to pay 60-70k for an Audi. Not much interested in the RL, Q45, or Cadillac. Whats a luxury car enthusiast to do?

    Marsha7,
    I think am going to wait for the second year or so on the new XJ series Jaguar. Just to see how it rates and if I like the new styling. I sure do want to see the new design though.

    2jags2,
    Your right. The little debate ferarri11 and I had turned out not to be much about cars at all.

    merc1,
    Put that deposit down on that C-class yet? The dealers in Tampa say that they're do in this month.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    No not yet. If I do it now the car will come in late Oct, early Nov and I really don't like bringing a new car home in a Chicago winter. Right after the Chicago Auto Show is usually when I do the buying. I've must say that I still can't shake the A6 4.2 or the 530i off the list yet. I'll have to drive them all extensively and decide.

    M
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,674
    As long as they don't ruin the car, I will bet a quarter that you will own the Jag.
  • is4b2rdis4b2rd Posts: 66
    The milege does seem rather high. I'd have the car checked by someone to make sure that all is well. Ask if they have an extended warranty program. Mercedes offers Starmark warranties on their used cars.

    I have a 98 740i. The car is fantastic, and it is such a pleasure to drive. The only regret that I have with the car is that I didn't get the iL.

    Regarding the comment about the car running $2,000-$3,000 per year. I hardly believe that. Unless he is also talking about insurance and gasoline. My car has 40k on it, and the only things I've had done are oil changes and tire rotations.
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    My 2 cents. All car salesmen say that high mileage cars are highway driven cars. I put 25 to 30 thousand miles a year on a car, and it ain't all highway miles, thats for sure. The reason you can buy it so cheap is because they depreciate rapidly. My 95 740il depreciated over 10k in one year, from 98-99. Don't get me wrong, it is to me the best overall sedan you can buy, if you don't get a bad one like I did(electrical nightmare). If you are going to pay it off and GET AN EXTENDED WARRANTY, its and excellent buy. Believe me you will love the car. BMW is the ultimate driving machine for real. Hopefully this helps you see both sides. And if you are going to get it from a Mercedes dealer, the Starmark warranty can't rival other dealers warranties. Starmark only gives you an extra year(5yrs) and up to 100k miles. After the 5th year you can pay for more warranty. Jaguar Select is 6yr up to 100k miles from original sale date. Most certified warranties give you 3yr up 100k miles from when you buy the used car, in the luxury lines. Ones again, hopefully this helps.
  • I want to say to the people who are looking at the mercedes s430-500 the beamer 740-750 and the lexus ls400 that one of these cars, the lexus dose not even compete. If you want a big camry with heated seats go with the lexus, if you want to look like a 75 year old millionare go with the benz, you will still look like a millionaire but at lest you look young in the beamer. I am leasing a 750il and i couldnt have made a better choice.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    Nice profile. Lots of people with high-paying jobs talk like that (unless you are trust fund trash - then I might believe it).
  • scongroscongro Posts: 80
    Here we go...

    Camry 3.0L V6, FWD, 4-Speed Auto
    LS 400 4.0L V8, RWD, 5-Speed Auto

    How does anyone tell them apart?

    Just because the LS 400 costs less than the 7-Series and the S-Class, does that mean that they don't compete with each other. If that is the case, then the 5-Series and E-Class don't compete whatsoever. How silly of me to think that they would compete.

    Yes the current LS 400 does lack some of the gizmos that the BMW 750iL has, like a rear sunshade. However, because of this, does that mean that the LS 400 doesn't compete in the same market?

    I could go on rebutting your arguement, but you have none. Your entire post is babbling BS, and says I don't care about the car; I just want to look good in my 92,000 car. How about you actually say something worthwhile, then we can talk. OK?
  • scongroscongro Posts: 80
    Since you can't seem to come up with an arguement for the 750iL, which is in your garage, here's one for the LS 400. I didn't even write this, but I am using it because it shows that the people in this room aren't the only ones who agree with me.

    This is from the edmunds.com super luxury test, which included the 750iL (your car), the S 500, the LS 400, the A8, and the XJ8 L:

    "This car is good. Almost scary good, when you consider the price. Its level of refinement is very high. And for the primary luxury car functions -- quiet and smooth ride, comfortable accommodations -- the Lexus is one of the best cars here."

    No competiton for the 750iL and the S-Class.
  • is4b2rdis4b2rd Posts: 66
    Isn't it amazing how easy it is to ascertain if someone is either immature or simply a poseur. I don't know which CoolMatt44 is, but I do hope that this breed of posters doesn't start ruining these bulletin boards for those of us who genuinely enjoy exchanging information on automobiles.

    Cheers..
  • Very simple concept here. Japanese stealing from German and American stealing from Japanese. I don't care how good the Lexus or Cadillac look, After 5 years later, they look like a piece of [non-permissible content removed]. I got 93 Toyota Camry V6 that I just traded for 89 MBZ 190e 2.6. I am sick of Toyota, in fact, this 89 MBZ look better than 93 Toyota.
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