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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The S-Class is bland, what a joke. The LS430 is the absolute most boring looking car on the road it looks like a 65K Avalon. I can't believe someone said the S-Class is bland. The LS430's design is a poor, very poor imitation of the previous generation S-Class. Pitiful design, great car.

    M
  • is4b2rdis4b2rd Posts: 66
    Well, I've been a Mercedes officianado since learning to drive in a 66 230SL. Up until the 2000 SC-lass, I think the cars have been the best engineered production vehicles in the world, and the increasing price reflected that. The previous SC-lass (W140) was unduly criticized for its size and bulk, but what an impressive vehicle. I did notice a decontening in that car from 1993 until 1999 model year, but still the car was awesome and impressive. The new SC-lass (W220) is a joke. I REALLY wanted to love the car. Yes, I think the styling is very sleek, but the interior is so cheap that it barely qualifies as a Korean car. The S600 does provide a bit more "elegance" but at a huge price. Mercedes built this car to a price point, whereas before the cars were built to the dream of the engineers. I realize that BB needs to make money and needs to sell more cars, but I would have hoped there would have been more of a compromise between price point and engineering. someone BB, hard plastic should NOT be a part of an SC-lass interior. Cover it up with soft materials for goodness sake. I am afraid that Lexus with their LS430 has increased their luxury quotient and the SC-lass has DEFINITELY lowered theirs. Very sad to see that happen, very sad indeed. If I were in the market for a sedan, the choices are the S-Class, LS430 and the NEW Jaguar XJ sedan that will be coming in a couple years. Friends, I am here to tell you, that car is going to outdo the S-Class, and priced closer to the LS430, I am afraid it will steal customers away from Lexus as well. The car is said to be a technological marvel and the body will be all aluminum and of course a more comfortable interior with those luscious Jaguar curves on the exterior. So, I would probably wait for the Jag. Barring the jag, if I could pull my head out and get over the "prestige" factor, I would choose the LS430, albeit with the full lux package.

    MB can do it, they did a fine enough job on my CL500, which I do love and though the interior isn't up to the level of the previous generation coupe, it is yards ahead of the S-Class, possibly because of its full leather interior and my color choice of black, which can hide a multitude of sins in an auto interior.

    Whichever car anyone chooses, it should suit their needs and desires, that's all that matters really. For me, I am just saddened to see Mercedes become just another car manufacturer. Guess that leaves Rolls-Royce, Bentley as cars to stive for as snob appeal. :-)
  • is4b2rdis4b2rd Posts: 66
    That should have been SC-lass, not SC-lass. Sorry.
  • ejerodejerod Posts: 86
    Sure Mr Needham , next serious post by an adult ( not some teenage kid ) that has something relevant to say please ?
  • ravramravram Posts: 7
    Hello!

    I am in the shopping phase for a "new" car. I'm 22, and have had 9 different used cars in the past 6 years. Right now, I have a 1999 Kia Sportage EX, and like it well enough, although the payments are too high for the car. It's a good enough car, but not something I think I can keep for 10 years, and love. My parents have always had Mercedes Benz's, and have advised me to invest in something German. I used to have an old, beat up WV, which ran GREAT, but was a little too rusty to suit a 17 year old! :-)

    My question is this: I have found a 1988 BMW 750iL for sale for$10,9, with only 76,000 miles on it. Is this a deal worth looking into? (Mercedes seems more expensive for me right now. I'll hold out for a nice, used ML320 in a couple of years.)

    Does anyone out there have this car, or anything to say (good or bad) regarding this car? Is maintenance super high on them? We have an old family friend who repairs MBZ's and BMW's, so I think I'll be okay there..... I hope.

    Any help or information would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks so much!

    Mona
  • I have been fortunate to own several new Mercedes over the years. The last 5 have all been new I class sedans. With each car I have witnessed a slight decline in quality. My current I class is further evidence of declining quality. Whatever the reasons, Mercedes has decided to shelve quality, expecting their reputation to keep them afloat. What BB does not realize is that BB may be gaining first time buyers but they are losing existing owners. I will not purchases another B.
  • is4b2rdis4b2rd Posts: 66
    I've never heard of an I Class before. And, what is BB?
  • tomsky3tomsky3 Posts: 48
    The spell checker thinks that MB is a BB and the S class is really the I class.

    Jack
  • reguyreguy Posts: 1
    Hi Folks,
    This is my first time on. I just purchased a 1998 740i w/ 56K miles for 30K. No warranty, but appears to be in excellent cond. Unbelieveable car so far as I can tell. The ride is so much better than I even expected, however, I have never owned a "luxury" car before. A couple of questions. 1) Does anyone know of a good warranty for a reasonable price or if they are even worth purchasing? 2) A little late, but does the price I've paid seem reasonable? There is a lot of conflicting info out there. 3) Are there any common problems I should be looking for and are there ways to avoid them if they exist? Thanks.
  • bwhbwh Posts: 76
    Well if you could do it all over again the best way to pick up a used 7 series is under 50k miles at the dealer. This way you are eligible for BMWs extended warranty out to 100k miles. Too late for that in your case, but I would seek out a warranty for this car. They are wonderful machines but they are very expensive to repair. The car doesn't really have any real glaring faults other than its complexity. I would bet if you paid $2000 or so for a warranty out to 100k that it would easily pay for itself. I would check with the dealer to see which aftermarket warranty companies they deal with.
  • This car is a money hungry monster. A dream to drive a nightmare to own. If spending hundreds of dollars monthly is something you enjoy then buy a 740.
  • Does anyone know how to get BMW to help me with the endless problems I've had with my pre-cert. 96 740il?

    Purchased Nov.99, visits the dealer monthly with new problems, currently 75k miles, they repair everything under the 100k warranty, after that I'll be shelling out 6 to 7 thousand a year in repairs.

    I've put over 4 thousand miles on loaner cars, that's about 1 and half months of driving for me.
    Major disappointment.
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    As far as styling is concerned- the Jag is the best out there. The base rims are awful to look at- my '95 XJ6 had gorgeous wheels. Jaguar took a step back when they introduced the XJ8's rims.

    The BMW with the M 18's is very nice on the eyes, but in this class is looking a little dated.

    The Mercedes is very nice- two different schools of design between the Jag and MB, but both are extremely successful. With a sport package, the MB is hard to beat looks wise.

    The Audi is again a little dated for this group. Although the S8 ups the ante.

    And finally the LS430 is disgusting. Can Toyota not hire some designers with their own ideas. It is a complete rip off of the S-Class. And the old one at that! It should be illegal to massacre a great design like the MB, and slap a big L on it. Maybe it stands for LOSER!
  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    Quit this Benz rip off stuff...no one cares. Go drive the car, and just maybe you won't be so hung up on the looks. BMW and Jag are both dated.
  • can anybody describe in careful detail how the seats on a loaded MB S600 or BMW or 750 iL work (don't bother describing the crap-o seats in the Lexus LS430, they're not even multicontour)? I am very curious to see how the 16 way and 18 way seats work on these sweet cars. Do they really have power side support, power thigh support, power cushion depth, and all that?? Somebody describe those seats in detail, please...
    Thanks.
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    Are you blind. How can you say that the Jaguar is dated. You do know that you are in an edmunds.com townhall room, and that in their superluxury comparison, they Jaguar scored best for, what was it, oh yeah BEST STYLING. It was unanimous. If you can really believe that a Japanese car compares to anything european, you need to shake your head. They have, and always will be, copies of American and European cars. And for your info- styling is a big part of why people buy cars. You think a women cares that the BMW has VANOS to broaden the torque band- no, she likes that it has shiny wheels and comes in aubergine.
  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    What I am saying is that all of these manufacturers copy each other when it's to their advantage. It just doesn't work one way, AND I stopped trying to impress women with what I drive years ago.
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    I didn't say I try to impress women with my cars, my point was that when women buy their cars, they look at it's curb appeal, not at it's performance. That's why you see so many gorgeous women driving Jags- because they make a statement, and when their husbands take the drivers seat, they are rewarded with fantastic performance as well.

    And I do have to admit that the Japanese have come up with some innovative gadgets in the interior. They live for the bells and whistles, so that's what they try at. But when it comes to driving dynamics and styling- they take the easy route and copy.

    Sorry for the length.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Everyone clearly knows that the Japanese are the biggest copy cats in the world. The Lexus LS430 is the most ridiculous case of it yet. Total copy, and like someone said it's a bad copy of the OLD Mercedes design. Any bets that the new ES300 (2002) will look like the new S-Class or C-Class? The LS430 is a hell of a car, and you'd probably have to buy a loaded S500 or S55 to top it, but stylewise it's completely lacking. Even I admit it's a great car and it does deserve it's own look. I would like someone to please tell me where the Europeans or Americans have ever copied the styling of a Japanese car as blatantly as Lexus and Acura copies the Euro brands.

    M
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    Thank you for agreeing with me! The only thing I have seen that Cadillac has copied from the Japanese has to do with the interior, and the electoluminescent lighting for the gauges. Exterior wise- Americans and Europeans have always been the innovators, and the Japanese the copyers. Sorry- I don't make the rules, it's fact.
  • ejerodejerod Posts: 86
    Wow.. this board has heated discussions..lol I'd have to say that Lexus, at least when it comes to the new LS has indeed been the follower not the leader where design and handling are concerned. The GS is another story. Although they took a hint from the Germans in the performance department, the styling of the car was purely radical and exciting. Had they done that with the new LS stying I would have bought it over the Benz S500. I'll admit that the Lexus is a great value, but I also have to agree that most people, men and women buy cars because of style and content , with style being in the top 5 of what's important to consumers.So Mercedes won this battle with the style and content, but the wars are far from over and we he consumers are the constant beneficiaries....
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    I didn't think the GS was all that great looking. The front fascia is fantastic, but the back end looks out of place. It's one of those cars that looks like there were 2 different teams designing- one for the back and one for the front.

    I am a diehard European fan, so I'll never like Japanese cars, even if they do someday (never) become best in class.
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    QUESTION: Here's another topic for discussion- do you agree that if you want a car in this class that you can drive and have a blast in, there is no beating a 7 Series with a sport package? That is my view. I'd like to know what others think.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The Lexus GS for the most part does have a radical look for a Lexus, but the front and rear treatments (to me) mimic the E-Class more than anything else. The Europeans will always have styling all over the Japanese, if arguably nothing else.

    Arcoates

    I would almost agree with you on your assessment of the BMW 7-Series with the Sport Package, but with the S55 AMG around I can't say that the 7 is the best large sporting sedan anymore. The S55 is faster and better handling, and (I know you'll like this) better looking. I just wish the 750iL or 740iL actually got the suspension tunning of the 740i, instead of just the wheel/tire package. That said the 7 is still a favorite of mine, has been since the fall of 1994. It has that Mafia, "Kingfish" look about it. Any of these cars would do for me.

    M
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    If only BMW made an M version of the 7 series. I think that compared to AMG, the M divison does a much better job with the cars. Maybe it's just because you can get manuals in all but the 7's, but I think they have better material to work with from the beginning.
  • Ditto, guys to the messages expressed earlier regarding BMW 740i. Yes they are incredible Automobiles to drive, but be prepared, YA GOTTA PAY TO PLAY. I have probably spent over 4K the last two years on my 94. Stick a fork in me - I AM DONE.
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    My dad has an '88 735i, with the 3.5L I6, and get ready-a stick shift. Extremely rare- frankly that's why he keeps it around. That was the last year they made a 7 with a manual. Anyway- it still runs and looks great (like a '94 even), and he hasn't spent too much on it to keep it in top condition. Mostly on repairs when my mom smacks it up!
  • mvargo1mvargo1 Posts: 298
    Better looking and faster than anything but an M5. How can you not love 370HP and almost 400 foot/lbs of torque. Not to mention optional BBS 2 piece alloy wheels and brembo brakes.

    Bang for the buck in a large lux car. will be the 2002 Q45. 340HP 0-60 in 5.9, faster than everything but an XJR or S55, and styling that is at least not derivative of anything else, all for under 55 grand.
  • Pondering buying a 98 or 99 Jag sedan - anyone actually owned on and can give me their experience on ride-powrer -handling-problems/maintenance...Thanks!
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    This may be of some use to you- I'll throw it out there anyway. We had a 1995 XJ6 until September. Not the same engine, but bodywork, electronics, chassis etc...

    Interior was gorgeous- no problems there. The I6 was a gem, as is the V8. The handling, although not a BMW, is very competent- when you push it, you are surprised at how it reacts. The tires on ours were very grippy (225 Pirelli P6000 with 16'), and the handling was very confidence inspiring.

    In our experience, it is not a winter car at all. When we got rid of it, there were mutliple rust spots- not huge, but still there. We didn;t have the traction control, and there was no limited-slip diff, so it was hard to get it going in the snow, or even the rain!

    If you're willing to have a winter car, or live in the sun, it is a great car. Beautiful, fast, great handling. The electronics acted up once in awhile, but it is a british car after all. I would reccomend it. If you're having passengers though, go for the long-wheelbase- the back is extrememly tight. Other than that- get one!

    I hope this helps you.

    A.R.
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