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  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
    Hi All,
      It's good as always to read these posts..I like that characterization of the average LS430 driver..Actually I do have a collection of Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra in there. I think each company's motto fully illustrates what segment they're pulling for. Lexus is the Relentless Pursuit of Perfection, while BMW: the Ultimate Driving Machine.
      Merc..I've never really been confronted by Cadillac drivers. I don't see how they can even compare to Lexus..Even the auto rags normally don't. I'm not impressed with the look of the new STS at all. Maybe that's just me. Even in England that hostility between MB and Lexus drivers exist. It's quite entertaining.
      
     All this rapid posting has me wondering..What is the one day record for posts on an Edmunds board? I'd be really amused if we were the record holders..It's funny how the topic of cars can turn mature successful men (any women here?)to bicker like teenagers.

    Sv
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Heh, I don't know the answer, but it HAS to be held by "I Don't Like SUVs, Why Do You?" on the SUVs board and I'm quite sure it is some number of hundreds, like maybe two or even three.

    But keep trying, just keep it civil and on topic!! :-)
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Cadillac seems more interested in BMW. Bob Lutz has said that he wants Cadillac to be the American BMW, and Buick to be the American Lexus. The former isnt so funny. While I dont like Cadillac styling or its interiors, track testing has shown that the CTS-V and M5 are pretty close. The whole Buick thing is just funny. So far, Buick's answer to Lexus is a Chevy Tahoe with some extra sound insulation. Keep trying guys.
  • terry79terry79 Posts: 27
    Just for the record I'm 56 and love rock.I drive around with the windows down on my 1998 740i as
    Guns and Roses blasts "knocking on heavens door".
    Of course that's because the A/C compressor went
    out at 65000 miles which was a blessing because it
    was working at 63000 miles when the radiator
    neck broke spewing antifreeze and had the windows
    been down, well who knows. Besides the summer heat the sqeaking,rattling undercarriage is
    a bit noisy(they say the center tie rod and every
    bushing known to man has to be replaced).I don't
    really want to talk about the near death experience when the catalytic converter went out
    at 80mph in the fast lane with no where to go. I
    think I can get used to Dean Martin.
  • dieselbreathdieselbreath Posts: 243
    I agree with you totally. But even with their problems I think the new e300cdi would be a great long-term buy.

    Another problem with the top end cars is that they are guinea pigs for the latest technology. You pay extra on the S-class for being the first with the latest technology. But I think that by the time it filters down to the E-class its been sorted out. Which may be why, by the late 80's, most car experts considered the MB E-class to be the best car that money could buy (sorry Lexus fans).

    [an interesting Lexus note: a senior VP of a large CA company owned several Lexuses (Lexi?) before buying an older '86 Benz SEC AMG that was originally purchased new and customized by Olivia Newton John with the money she made from the movie Grease. Anyway, this long-time Lexus advocate said of his '86 Mercedes: "I can't believe how many features this old Mercedes has that I thought were invented by Lexus!"
    Just goes to show what marketing brain-washing can do! ]
  • Terry:

    Congradulations...You have become a lexus man...and 24 years earily..

    You may be the youngest LS owner ever...If you will get out there and buy one in the next 10 years or so.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    You know I find the bickering really funny between MB fans vs. Lexus fans and BMW fans vs. Lexus fans. I see soo many driveways with Benz's and Lexus' in my neighborhood and see soo many BMWs with Lexus in it also.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    diesel,

    "Which may be why, by the late 80's, most car experts considered the MB E-class to be the best car that money could buy (sorry Lexus fans)."

    There was no Lexus in the late 80s.
  • warthogwarthog Posts: 216
    "You know I find the bickering really funny between MB fans vs. Lexus fans and BMW fans vs. Lexus fans. I see soo many driveways with Benz's and Lexus' in my neighborhood and see soo many BMWs with Lexus in it also."

    Do you suppose the little woman is driving the Lexus and hubby the BMW/Benz?
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    "Do you suppose the little woman is driving the Lexus and hubby the BMW/Benz? "

    I was expecting something like the above to come up, because, frankly it's expected from some folks.

    That statment is a bit silly considering I see soo many old ladies driving around in BMW & benz's who can't even merge properly onto highways.

    And as an example, I have several neighbors where the man drives the Lexus and the wife drives the S-class/BMW 3convertible. So you are kinda making a generalization..
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    "Guns and Roses blasts "knocking on heavens door".
    Of course that's because the A/C compressor went
    out at 65000 miles which was a blessing because it
    was working at 63000 miles when the radiator
    neck broke spewing antifreeze and had the windows
    been down, well who knows. Besides the summer heat the sqeaking,rattling undercarriage is
    a bit noisy(they say the center tie rod and every
    bushing known to man has to be replaced).I don't
    really want to talk about the near death experience when the catalytic converter went out
    at 80mph in the fast lane with no where to go. I
    think I can get used to Dean Martin."

    Hahahah classic. Maybe in the '80s it was, but the E isnt top dog anymore. Also, the E served as the testing grounds for E-brakes, and there was a 600,000 car recall thanks to them. So there goes that theory.
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    No kidding, I'm on about my 6th radiator on my '95 5 series. It seems to return every winter.

    Drive in tunes today included some Bruce Hornsby, the CLASH and Peter Murphy (anybody know who he is).

    The driveway thing is a generalization, but a suspect many of those gals driving RX's have husbands in 5's or 7's.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    "The driveway thing is a generalization, but a suspect many of those gals driving RX's have husbands in 5's or 7's."

    Wouldn't expect anything better from yourself.

    To go further, you're telling me my statement is a generalazation and your below statement is not?

    "but a suspect many of those gals driving RX's have husbands in 5's or 7's."
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    And as a note, I believe the RX330 is selling alot better to men than the old RX300 did. I remember reading the old RX300 had a high rate of primary woman drivers, somewhere around 60% but the RX330 is appealing to both.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yeah, you acknowledged a generalization, only to then come up with another completely unfounded statement. My gal has an RX, and I think we all know what I drive by now. None of my cars have blue and white props on them. Nor have they ever.
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    Can anyone come up with the #'s on the buyer demographic so, we don't have to take Max's word on it?

    Otherwise, one man's word is as good as anothers and I say it is almost exclusively a chic car (camry wagon). No disrespect to Toyota.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,682
    Around here you'll see LX470's, TLC's and the latest rage - the GX470 paired up with just about any lux car - quite often. More often than not you'll see a Lexus SUV with a Lexus lux sedan - usually the LS430 or LS400. But several people have S500's paired with LX470's and TLC's. What's the man's car - an LX470 or an S500? Neither. The truth of the matter is the cars are well shared and driven by both the husband and the wife. What is becoming popular - at least around here - is the RX as a third car doing duty for husband, wife and first generation child who recently got a license. The suv that blossomed and died so quickly is the M-class. It's hard to even find one around here these days. For whatever reason - BMW's - save the 3-series are just not all that popular where I am despite several BMW dealesr nearby.

    There's even one guy who has both an S430 and an LS430 - but I don't know him. Thought it was someone visiting at first but I've seen them both about a dozen times on his driveway.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,682
    Truth is Lexus designed that SUV for the woman of the house. Remember initially that the center space under the dash was left clear for a handbag. Read that in several places and even had my sales guy tell me that. But I see plenty of men driving the RX. Never met anyone who didn't love this SUV. I request it everytime as a loaner because I enjoy it a lot myself.- particularly this new RX330 which is so much better than the RX300. Can't say for sure but it was probably planned or just became a way for Lexus to gain entrance into German strongholds. Once you get that taste of Lexus you usually want a lot more.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    since you're in the "retail automotive field" shouldn't you have some hard factual data?

    you don't have to take my word for anything, just like I don't take your word for anything. My statements are merely based on observations-watching what people drive. And from my observations I sure don't see 100% of RX330's being driven by women.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    livinbmw,

    Oh BTW, I do believe it is a demographic fact that states that the BMW 3-series is driven by more women than men. That must make it a chick car.
  • quemfalaquemfala Posts: 107
    Max

    "That statment is a bit silly considering I see soo many old ladies driving around in BMW & benz's who can't even merge properly onto highways"

    You need to come-on-down to "old fogey-ville" here in South Florida. It's enough to make one weep! All the too-old guys in a lot of all too cool cars. The XJR's, SC430's (in wild colors), Vipers (mostly yellow), S type R's,; and of course the Bentley's, (and dare I say it) more Town Cars than exist anywhere else. AND -- not a one of them know how to drive! Pick one -- I don't care if you're a Lexus guy, BMW guy, and MB guy or whatever. It's all here and mostly all abused! Too bad, I'm still waiting to pull in behind one of these relics (the drivers not the cars) and accept an offer to take it off their hands because they think that it goes too fast (25 in the 35 zone!) LOL, LOL!
    Well any way, time to stop by and see my favorite jeweler on Worth Avenue, to have him wind my self-winding Rolex. I think that there's something wrong with it because it keeps stopping, and he keeps telling me that it's "lack of wrist movement" that makes it stop. Maybe I should drive faster!
    Life is Better at the Beach
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    I must be extra dumb today.

    I couldn't figure out the post that said

    Demographics Psychographics
    Gender Athletic

    What was concluded there? Were 51% of the 'in the know' men athletic?

    While the women love to drive and are interested in getting married to get ahead.

    Was there any source for this other than a BMW sales and marketing blurb somewhere.

    I'd love to look at the original report unfetterd by strange alignments.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,682
    Being an information industry expert I can tell you there is no such demo as "athletic". There are some nice names given out by Claritas - the premier US demographer - as "fun" names describing certain zips like "shotguns and pickups" and "palm beach goldcoast" as just two of many. Check the Claritas website when you have a chance.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Please cite your source.
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    I don't know if the source would appreciate me giving out that info at all much less sticking their name on it ........ This is just friendly chat, right?
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    MUNICH (Reuters) -- BMW expects record revenue and earnings this year as the German luxury carmaker's sales grow by a high single-digit percentage, Chief Executive Helmut Panke told journalists in comments embargoed for Friday.

    Remarkable to some for a company that builds such unreliable, ugly cars.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    Is it a friend of yours that came up with those demographic studies?

    I can't see why your "source" would mind you giving out that information. Unless car demographics are controlled by some top secret agency.

    I truly remember reading maybe a year or 2 ago that 3-series buyers were more heavily skewed towards women. could be wrong though.

    Now how about those RX330 demographics since you claim it's a "chick car" and you obviously know it all.

    No lame insults today, BTW?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I've driven our RX plenty of times, so that means at least 1 man drives one
  • warthogwarthog Posts: 216
    Do you guys have no sense of humor? A wisecrack intended as a friendly rib sets off a firestorm.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Well said. Livinbmw, sales and profits isnt an area you want to tout BMW's "superiority" against Lexus. Toyota makes more money than Nissan and Honda combined, more money than the big American 3 combined, and more money than BMW, Daimler, and VWAG.
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