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  • All Lexus LS sedans are build in Japan.....
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    Embedded system software is not available to the public unless they buy the product the software is embedded into. Again: Embedded OS are merely a starting point, the entire software system is developed by the vendor. You can't buy the i-Drive software, and even if you could you couldn't do much with it, because it runs directly off a xxROM (read only memory) and only and exclusively runs in the BMW environment. That is what embedded systems are. They have none of -for example- Widows' built-in universality. Very differnet to the nature of a universal OS such as XP or UNIX.

    Incidentally, one thing about basic software blocks and OS is that is is ultimately all available to the public. You can get any processor you want, and the drivers for it. That doesn't make the platform unsafe. It's the developrs' job to make it as safe as the target environment requires, and with embedded OS that can be easily achieved. That is exactly why embedded sstems are very popular in military, medical and other mission critical applications - they are intrinsically extremely safe and un-hackable. Can't overwrite a chip's content when it's hardwired.
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    LS yes, other Lexus no. All LS built for US are much diffrent (esp quiality,) and can not be sold OR transported to Japan.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Mercedes probably thought Lexus was a fad in 1989. Assuming that Infiniti is going to go away in a few years is a sure fire way to get trounced in the market place.. oh wait, Audi already does. Nevermind.
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    If you think you understand sales of the Audi, answer this: How many A8's can be ordered by an USA dealer per month, regaurdless of how many customers have already paid for one and are waiting to recieve them?

    Each Audi has a limited production.

    PS How many S4 Convertables are made each year worldwide???
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    It would seem that not everybody that can afford a lux car opts for an Audi, would it? Little point in the other brands hanging around oif that was the case. I understand you like Audis and all, but your truisms are a tad overzealous.

    Luxury cars are like beautiful women: we all have different tastes, and we often lust after what we didn't drive last. ;-)

    All these cars have ther pros and cons, and I think the ones that have brand religion syndrome are the people who just bought a new car and are extremely proud of it. Good for them. But it tends to fade some after a while, and other cars start to look great. Uh oh, there's the parallel to the women analogy again. :-)
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    You do have a great point....:>
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    every car is "limited" production.

     I wouldn't be so quick to condemn the I-drive seeing as your flagship sedan there at Audi has jumped in with their own version.

     I also wouldn't assume that few of the people that participate here can't afford a luxury car. Some of these fellas definitely know what they are talking about and have experience with such cars in more than just a magazine sense, right Max? Just because one person might have some old blowed out high-line VW doesn't mean everyone else is a pretender, too.

    I would sort of guess that there are some much better retail positions with other makes like Lexus, BMW, Infiniti, Acura, etc... As few Audi's as their are selling nationwide right now and with new models on the way, I'll bet your sales manager will take any offer on a new Audi and leave very little for a commission.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,675
    So Audi has no desire to sell anything more than 4,000 A8's in the US?? It was really about 2,000 in each of the last several years. They must have doubled the factory. Now you are not possibly going to try and tell us that Audi is a limited production manufacturer, are you? A botique shop right up there with Rolls, Maybach etc?

    You are half right though. Audi is a limited production company - limited by the DEMAND of buyers in the marketplace.
  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Posts: 200
    Mercedes probably thought Lexus was a fad in 1989. Assuming that Infiniti is going to go away in a few years is a sure fire way to get trounced in the market place.. oh wait, Audi already does. Nevermind.
    So far only Lexus /toyota executives have been known to publicly say they are on the look out for Cadillac/GM chevy activities, others (germans) are just laughing cadillac off. By the time they take them seriously They will be slayed. Already Cadillac is almost Slaying MB in North America Sales. And it will gain a foothold in Europe. I read a BMW exec saying dismissively that cadillac seems to be on the move, thats about it.

    I admire Toyota's business attitude. Anyone in the auto industry would be foolish to underestimate an american giant like Ford or GM
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    Where do you get your Numbers?? So far all you #'s are incorrect.
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    ARE YOU CRAZY????
    Go here on Edmunds...Read the Reviews....The two systems are completely different. By the way, why don't you show me some websites that complain about the Audi MMI the way I did with the 7????

    If you want to know how eager we are to discount a car, why don't you pick up the phone now and call your local dealer. Ask him how much he would come off the price for you.

    AUDI'S SELL AT STICKER. I have not experienced a dealer undercutting the price.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    "these fellas definitely know what they are talking about and have experience with such cars in more than just a magazine sense, right Max?"

    All I have to say is 1)I can tell from your postings that I know more about luxury cars then you do.

    2) I have driven and have access to alot more cars than you do(which by the way, I can, again, tell from how little you know about luxury cars, much less, any cars).
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    That's funny "AUDI'S SELL AT STICKER".

    Huh, the A4 doesn't sell at sticker,
    Huh, the A6 doesn't sell at sticker,
    Huh, the TT doesn't sell at sticker,
    Huh, considering how few A8s, they sell, I doubt they sell at sticker either.
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    This is one of my favorite pictures. It shows how much the "new" Mercedes E320 took from its predecessors. Unfortunately it didn't take them from MB precessors, they took them from the Ford Taurus.

    image

    At least Mercedes had the good manners to change the gas cap to square, chrome up the door handles and remove the big Jag type chrome trunk lift. On the other end, is the Mercedes "Grill", which they got from Weber.

    The cars pictured are a 2003 E320 and a 2001 Ford Taurus. And to think Lexus is picked on here for usurping MB styling.
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    I'll bite...

    Back up your statement.
    Name the dealer and salesperson you have spoken to.
    I will call them and have them get on this site to back you up.

    Then we will understand the genius that is MAXHONDA99!!!

    P.S. I gave you proof of my background. Do you want pictures of the cars (LEXUS MERC BMW) that i have hear and deal with everyday??
    email me by click on my name above.

    P.S. AGAIN:
    Quantify your statement on your experience. Proof please.

    I am tired of the MICHEAL MOORE syndrome here...if you make a statement back it up. I have provided websites and personnal informantion for everything I say.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Exactly. Audibob, have you noticed that Audi residual is worse than both BMW and Mercedes, and far worse than Lexus? An '00 A6 4.2 is currently worth less than 1\2 of its new MSRP. You certainly wont find a '00 E430 for under $20 grand. One of the factors that causes that is that Audi cant move its cars at sticker. The other, is Audi's legendary (for being awful) reliability.

    Ok Audibob, show me some pictures of Lexus stryofoam. I'd like to see that.
  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Posts: 200
    AUDI'S SELL AT STICKER. I have not experienced a dealer undercutting the price.

    Are you sure? I have seen Audi 'special lease' deals where you drive away with this or that payment per month.... Plus Audi's Value TANKS faster than you can say 'AUDI VALLA!!!'.
    Plus the fact that the A6 is based on a FWD platform just rules out Audi for me. As far as I am concerned its a grolified VW.
    My friend last week bought an Audi 2003 A4 18,000 miles for $23,000 from a couple who wanted to buy a Baby hauling Minivan.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,675
    I've always seen a resemblance between the taurus and the new MB lineage. Merc1 and I disagree but I am convinced the Taurus influenced MB styling starting with the S-class and several styling cues were lifted from it. That doesn't say anything disrespectful to MB as I think the S is one of the most beautiful cars around.
  • bob:

    The LS is in Japan but under the Toyota banner...Same car different name.
  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Posts: 200
    Merc1 will not admit that a lowly Ford can influence the design of the one and only MB.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    audibob,

    Whenever I drive by a Audi dealer, they have a lot full of new Audi's. How do you suppose they sell a parking lot full of new Audi's at full price? Lexus can't seem to do it, BMW can't, Mercedes can't, Jaguar can't. How does Audi do it?

    Second, the A4, which is supposed to compete head on with the BMW 3-series, sells at a fraction of the pace of the 3-series. Why does BMW give incentives currently to sell their more popular 3-series? And you're telling me Audi dealers are selling A4s for sticker? What a joke!

    Third, why am I going to waste my time talking to a sleazy car dealer for a car I do not even want? Check out Edmunds TMV(it is known to be a good indicator of the market) and it says the A4 goes for a discount.

    Fourth, I have a good friend who purchased a A4 AWD with sport package and 6-speed soon after the new A4 came out and he bought it for $4K off sticker, which was more than any Lexus dealer in Mass. would discount a ES300 at the time.

    Another example? Brother bought a A4 in 2001 for a considerable amount off sticker.

    Lastly, you didn't give proof of your background. You clearly stated you worked for Audi, when in fact, you work for a Audi dealer. There is a big difference between one and the other.

    "Do you want pictures of the cars (LEXUS MERC BMW) that i have hear and deal with everyday??"

    What does that have to do with anything? How does you selling cars prove you sell Audi's at full price? How does pictures of Lexus, Merc, BMW, prove Audi's are sold at MSRP?

    "email me by click on my name above."

    How, do you think I figured out you didn't work for Audi?
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    footie,

    Honestly, I don't see any resemblance between the Taurus and E-class. I personally think the current E-class Benz is just about perfect looking from all angles and pretty darn original in it's styling.
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    Max, come on man. That was just a little light hearted humor directed toward those that are enthusiasts, not owners. You're a funny guy.

    How do you have access and drive all these luxury cars anyway? Do you go and joy ride at dealers and waste salespeople's time? How many times have you had your honda appraised? Only reason that I ask is that I'm in the industry on the retail end and I'm in and out of dealers everyday and attend manufacturers events often.
  • Bob:

    How many you ask...The problem is NoBody cares.

    Unless you want to try and sell us on the idea that there are 10s of 1000s of buyers for A-8 and S-4 but Audi is too dumb to build them and make a profit??
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    "Exactly. Audibob, have you noticed that Audi residual is worse than both BMW and Mercedes, and far worse than Lexus? An '00 A6 4.2 is currently worth less than 1\2 of its new MSRP. "

    WHAT???? Let see what Edmunds Says:

    2000 Merc E320 (Devalued $41 k Dep, Mant, etc)
    http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/mercedesbenz/eclass/17805/cto.ht- ml?tid=edmunds.u.prices.leftsidenav..18.Mercedes-Benz*#cost

    2000 BMW 528 (Devalued $41 k Dep, Mant, etc)
    http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/bmw/5series/10537/cto.html?
    tid=edmunds.u.prices.leftsidenav..18.BMW*#cost

    2000 Lexus LS430 (Devalued $44 k Dep, Mant, etc)
    http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/lexus/ls400/1647/cto.html?tid=ed- munds.u.prices.leftsidenav..18.Lexus*#cost

    2000 Audi A6 4.2 (Devalued $41 k Dep, Mant, etc)
    http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/audi/a6/5902/cto.html?tid=edmund- s.u.prices.leftsidenav..18.Audi*#cost

    PS: $25,900 is the edmunds resale for this car...hmmm....The current price in todays money is $49,500. Factor that the car initially cost less 4 years ago, and your other statement is faulty too.

    Try again.
    THIS TIME WITH FACTS THAT I CAN VERIFY PLEASE.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,675
    You're the expert - what's thes ales volume of A8's in the US. I've seen 2000-2400 for the old model with a pickup to the 4,000 range with the new. The latter will likely fall right back by next year to its normal spot. Saw that data in many places including many posted on this website. There was an Audi salesman on the Phaeton board who said - in a post - his boss groaned everytime an A8 was due in.

    Sticker - every Audi - now you are really making yourself look bad.
  • Bob:

    How about Number of sales on the A-8 and web sites to back them up?

    You seem to come to the table with a hand full of gimmy and a mouth full of much obliged
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    Hey all you angry lexus owners trying to validate you ideology, what do you think about edmund rating the LS400 at the hightest cost to own???
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    michael_mattox Jul 21, 2004 (2:41 pm)
    Bob: How many you ask...The problem is NoBody cares.

    Make up your mind on what you want Michael, or is you desire just to argue?
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