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High End Luxury Cars

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  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Posts: 200
    Audi's may sell at a discount and their Quality may be Kia, landrover VW, but they are good driving machines. Other than the FWD A6.

    Why do people criticise the Seville and forgive the A6 for being FWD? I do not get it
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    "Doe it matter if it’s Styrofoam, or does it matter that Lexus is the industry standard in quietness? Only Cadillac and Buick come close"

    Good point. Lexus cars are so quiet at idle, you have to look at the tach to even know if the engine is on. That stryofoam sure must be doing a good job.
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    Ah, the 330. We're discussing wonderful cars in ths forum, but if I had to nominate a "best car", my vote would go to the BMW 330. It's nimble around to be genuine fun when you throw it around, feline in reflexes, the I6 is one of the top engines in the automitive world, it is ergonomically flawless, offers great comfort, and well built. Being non-practical, I would have taken mine in coupe form. Alas, you see just too damn many of them in the Bay Area. There is no way I could do that. I wonder how many other people out there are like me and start to move away from brands when they stop to stand for a modicum of individuality, and become the choice de rigeur...
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    Lexus definately doesn't use styrofoam behind the body panels. In fact I don't think any carmaker uses styrofoam in great amounts for sound deadening.

    One technology Lexus uses to deaden sound is 3-layer sandwiched steel, 2 thin layers of metal and in between is a metallic sound deadening material. It's mainly used around the cabin(front firewall, under the passenger compartment, between rear wheelwells).
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    I think every car maker inject "foam" materials into panels for sound insulation - they'd be stupid not to, since short of vacuum industrial "foams" are the best insulator there is, and they provide serious fire protection to boot. Steel alone won't provide satisfactory sound insulation, so I very much doubt Lexus limits itself to it. Note that "foam" comes in many industrial forms, even though we automatically think box material. See http://www.basf.de/basf/html/plastics/englisch/pages/schaum/basot- - ect.htm
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    But.. but Audibob said they did! He also said that used Audis actually go up in value like classic Ferraris, and that Audi uses extruded magic fairy dust as sound insulation in their cars.
  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Posts: 200
    Cadillac & Buick (Rainer/La Crosse)are using something called Quite steel, with a sound abosbingh Gel around it. Quite impressive technology I might say
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    I think they all use different technologies for different parts of the car for sound insulation. They don't stick to *one* method all over the car, because different things provide -as often- optimized results. Everybody feel free to investigate their car somewhat.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    "Cadillac & Buick (Rainer/La Crosse)are using something called Quite steel, with a sound abosbingh Gel around it. Quite impressive technology I might say"

    Too bad the rest of the Raineer is a Chevy Tahoe.
  • jiaminjiamin Posts: 556
    I remember two things from the event of Lexus Taste of Luxury that Lexus uses to quiet the car. One is the dimpled panel underneath the car. The other is multi-layer metal with something in between, compared to another piece of regular metal. I knocked at both. The multi-layer metal sounds so quiet. Very impressive.

    I didn't have much time that day to test drive MB, BMW, etc. Only tested LS430, ES330, GS430 and Acura TL. LS430 is the quietes, and the others are not too far behind.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    The Rainier is a Chevy Trailblazer/GMC Envoy.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    "Fairy dust"....funny!! Very funny!!
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    there were 'bimmers there and you didn't drive one? I wouldn't want to be driving the quietest car at a ride and drive event unless I was picking out a car for my 64 year old mom. Then again maybe there was no spirited driving allowed at this Lexus Taste of Luxury.

    I look for audibob to be back with a vengeance any second here. He's probably in a motivational sales meeting right now.
  • Livingbmw:

    Obviously with a mom that young you must be very young yourself...I don't think anyone on this board resents your relative youth and inexperience, you have a right to prefer any car you wish...Heck, some people liked yugo's.
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    Very young ............ indeed, born in '67. I like that. Here's a few cars that I like that are (gasp) not BMW's:

     Toyota Supra, Acura NSX, Toyota 4Runner, Aston Martin Vantage, Ferarri Enzo, Benz SLK, Porsche 911, and, yeah, the Rolls Royce Phantom (or does that count as a 'bimmer).
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    You're officially an old goat when Uncle Sam doesn't want you anymore. This thread should be renamed "Old goats with nothing better to do". And if you think otherwise, go back to last Saturday night when the hot topic of conversation was positioning of the gas hatch. You have to admit it, we all have to get a life.

    ;-)
  • So you like a nice firm riding sports car...What year Phantom (it may or may not count as a BMW.)

    I thought I was all grown up at 21 and 31 and 37...I was wrong but we all mature at different rates.
  • designman:

    I wonder who introduced that gas filler topic???Hmmmmmmm
  • quemfalaquemfala Posts: 107
    Come on now, be nice! I don't like it when people tlk aboutt mi drnkin problime
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hey folks, could we get back to the subject? We're here to talk about the marques, not each other.

    Thanks.
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    Sensibility is probably the best part of maturity.

    How 'bout the Phantom Continental from '36? That's a good one. I sure would like to drive the new one, though or that 100EX is certainly going beyond the "ultimate".
  • Would the 1933 phantom have been built by BMW?

    Actually knowing yourself and learning to think with your mind instead of reacting to your sensabilities (heart) would be my idea of the better part of maturity.
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    BMW got in the Rolls Royce business in '98. That had to be a lot better than being owned by volkswagen for such a prestigious name plate. Frederick Henry Royce designed this version of the Phantom himself.
  • mmccloskeymmccloskey Posts: 168
    Greetings:

    There was mention by 'AudiBob' about the 2002-2004 ES300/330 having styrofoam as sound insulation in the front door area. I checked my 2002 ES300 and there is, in fact a long, black styrofoam insert between the inner and outer fender. I have provided a visual reference. It is unlikely this is for sound insulation as the insert is not secured/fixed in place. It moves slightly if I press my finger against it. I then checked my other vehicle (2003 Explorer Sport Trac) and it also has an insert in a similar location although it is soft foam, not rigid styrofoam. I would assume these inserts are there to provide a visual filler between the inner and outer fender, not for sound reducing. I also noted that behind the rear bumper of my ES300 there is a large piece of styrofoam just behind the outer bumper cover.

    It really is a shame that someone must belittle another manufacturer for using 'foam' as a component in one of their vehicles. I'm sure if we really examined all the materials that went into making the cars we drive, there may be other items that certainly wouldn't convey Luxury, Prestige or Status.

    Even though I don't own a 'High End Luxury Marque' I have enjoyed reading this and other forums. Keep up the good fight!

    Regards -

    M.J. McCloskey
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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The 4Runner is a bit different from the rest of the vehicles in that list. Why that one? And just curious, how do you feel about the GX470?
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    The early 90's version of the 4Runner is a vehicle that I've had some great experiences with and it is just such a stout little stud that looks the part. I actually am partial to that little toyota 4x4, pre-tacoma. The GX is a little on the big size for me even though it's without a doubt the choice for someone looking at that premium SUV segment where you need the 3rd rear seat.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Was just wondering because, as Im sure you're aware, the GX is the Lexus version of the 4Runner.
  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
    Hi All,
      Things have cooled down here somewhat..I'm visiting London at the moment and was surprised at the Lack of Lexus cars here. I've seen an odd GS around but no LS cars whatsoever. The roads are dominated by BMWs and MB cars as well as Jaguars.
       With all the talk of shameless copying...I saw a Rover 75 that looked like complete clone of the S type Jaguar. Absolutely ridiculous. I also noted the great variety of engine types on the Mercedes cars. Why would anyone want an E220? If you've got the $$$ to buy a MB to begin with, I doubt the price of gasoline is a real deterrant.

    SV
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The car connection just did a review of the LS 430 and seems to think it is the best luxury car out there:

    "You can make a case for either of the German competitors' dynamics or the English Jaguar's styling, but the truth is that right now there's no better luxury car on Earth than the Japanese-made Lexus LS 430."

    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7351&sid=18- - - - 3&n=157
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    They have it right. It is one phenomenal car - second to none in the segment. I would say about Lexus what I say about the best business people I come across - "They know what they're doing - glad I'm not competing with them."
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