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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Anybody know when the Jaguar XJ8 is going to be replaced?

    M
  • I believe the XJ8 is going to be replaced in 2002.
  • I am considering purchase of one of these two
    fine cars and would appreciate some thoughts from someone who knows both. The MB S Class costs almost $100K with all the options but has that star on the hood. The Jag S class is smaller, costs much less, but looks terrific. Any thoughts?
  • Tell me it ain't true! My new 2000 model Jag will be replaced in two short years (a/k/a obsolete)- ouch. How do you find out such things?

    I am having a flash back, it was the spring of 1990 and I became the proud owner of a new Dodge Dynasty...
  • The current Jaguar XJ8 platform has been used for over a decade. So it's been well known that a new XJ8 platform was soon to come. 2002 model year is the expected date of the next generation XJ8. Using a completely new platform but retaining traditional Jaguar styling!!! I'm looking forward to seeing what gem Jaguar turns out!!
  • VAIVAI Posts: 2
    Anybody have any idea when the current 7 series BMW is going to be replaced?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Thats a very good question. The current 7 was scheduled to be replaced for 2001, but rumors have surfaced that the car that was supposed to do that was too big, heavy and complex. It was suggested that the previous S-Class was the target. That would have made sense way back when, but it wouldn't be smart for BMW or anyone to do a car like that again. So reportedly they have gone back to the "drawing board", which will delay a new 7 until 2002 or 2003.

    M
  • VAIVAI Posts: 2
    Anybody have any idea when the current 7 series BMW is going to be replaced?
  • Yesterday, I took a test drive in a BMW 7 series sport version and I was extremely impressed (I woke up this morning thinking about it). I recently drove an MB S430 too. Both are unquestionably fine cars - albeit they are different. I like the sporty feel of the 7 series. It performs and handles in a way that I prefer over the S430. I think I will put my order in soon for the 7 sport version. Does anyone have any opinions about the 7 series, especially the sport version? Any input is much appreciated - I think I will order one this week.
  • My dealer said that the new 7 series body style is scheduled for 2002. He said that BMW has had so much success with the current body style that they will stick to it --- he did not admit to having to go back to the "drawing board" --- true salesman.
  • enigmaoneenigmaone Posts: 128
    http://www.detnow.com/naias2000/11-lexus.html

    The pictures are in of the 2001 LS430 at the above site.

    It looks good!!!!!!!
  • enigmaoneenigmaone Posts: 128
    Video is also available at carpoint.com website.
  • vbnmvbnm Posts: 21
    indeed, it is only my opinion, but BLECH!!! it appears lexus employed liberal use of MB S-class styling but then threw in the most lamentable dimensional disproportionalities of the toyota echo. two questions: 1) what type of ganja were the designers smoking 2) (the obious follow up) where can i get some?!
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    The video (and pictures) in carpoint.com are of the 2000 model, not the 2001.

    The new one looks sorta like an E-class with some subtle bulges on the fenders.
  • enigmaoneenigmaone Posts: 128
    The video on carpoint.com under the 2000 NAIAS auto show is of the 2001 LS430.
  • rmkrmkrmkrmk Posts: 1
    I am in the process of buying an MB S500. Please share your buying experiences regarding any discounts from MSRP and which dealers you think I should shop.What color looks the best on this car? I have not seen all the colors in person. How about the interior color? Thanks!!
  • ldrldr Posts: 9
    Been looking at this vehicle also "very impressive" to say the least.Have seen in silver, absolutely beautiful! But being a black car freek, the black on black was obscene! Has to be the finest body style MB has to date. Reading the brochure (novel) is so feature rich, it has to be the most advanced vehicle available today.
  • Went to the Detroit Auto Show yesterday and no real and confirmed date yet on when the next BMW 7 series is going to show up.

    BMW rep. at the BMW stand said don't expect it for the 2001 model year. He said it would most probably show up in the summer of 2001 as a 2002 model. And he would not say why the launch of the next generation 7 series has been delayed by over a year.
  • That Lexus LS430 is a blatant copy of the Mercedes Benz S-class, if ever I saw a blatant copy! Wow! Body shape, rear lights, model number ... even the wheels! I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    As to buying an M-B S500 at a discount, forget it! These cars are on 6 month back order; and M-B dictates sticker pricing a la Saturn.

    The good colors on the S-class are all of them. I have brilliant silver with charcoal interior. The only one that leaves me a bit lukewarm is the black, although it does look very formal.
  • That Lexus LS430 is a blatant copy of the Mercedes Benz S-class, if ever I saw a blatant copy! Wow! Body shape, rear lights, model number ... even the wheels! I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    As to buying an M-B S500 at a discount, forget it! These cars are on 6 month back order; and M-B dictates sticker pricing a la Saturn.

    The good colors on the S-class are all of them. I have brilliant silver with charcoal interior. The only one that leaves me a bit lukewarm is the black, although it does look very formal.
  • ... sorry about hitting the button twice ...
  • hello25hello25 Posts: 30
    And whose flagship just copied whose with electroilluminesent lighting? Who had a navigation system first? Whose executive said their drivers would not need it? Who most recently introduced wood steering wheels?
    The recent S class both downsized and upgraded itself to meet market standards. The new LS
    does take Mercedes styling into account, yes.
    But you are mistaken if you think Mercedes Benz is the be all and end all of the automotive world that it was in 1896, and during a period of time
    in the 1970's and 80's.
  • flint350flint350 Posts: 250
    As a point of interest, I have noted many talk of the MB active cruise control and that the Lexus also will have it. I am currently researching the purchase of either an S430 or Lexus LS430 for the fall. My local MB dealer says none of the MB cars have (or will have) the active cruise due to last minute fears of law suits (a sad, but separate commentary on our litigious society). The Lexus is still planned to have it. What with the elimination of the Euro delivery discount (or any reasonable negotiation below the inflated MSRP) and the quality and other issues reported, MB seems to be helping me make a seemingly difficult decision. If the Lexus comes out anything like it is announced/anticipated, MB may certainly lose market share. At least my share, but I await the new 2001 models with open mind and room for change.
  • Although Lexus invented lights, Benz was the first car with 4 wheels! And an internal combustion engine! Lexus has now shamelessly copied these important design features!

    Not only that. They also made the body style a blatant imitation of the M-B S-class.
  • rollierollie Posts: 337
    Regarding post #55:

    I believe mike2567 was referring to the fact that Daimler-Benz invented the automobile.

    -rdo
    russell.ollie@usa.net
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I'll be surprised if Lexus does offer the active cruise control feature. Some idiot will expect the car to drive itself....like lane correction, stopping, and swerving. Mercedes wouldn't take that chance and unless the Lexus system has some type of idiot-proof feature, I'd expect them to delay their also.

    M
  • enigmaoneenigmaone Posts: 128
    The laser guided cruise control on the LS430 is going to be optional. So I'm sure it's going to have it, as a option. They may have a big warning sticker on the window, with the owners manual, etc. stating what and what it does not do!
  • hello25hello25 Posts: 30
    Now if we can just figure out whose ancestors invented the wheel we can make Daimler Chrysler pay them royalties.
  • flint350flint350 Posts: 250
    FYI, the MB dealer told me almost exactly that - they were sued by some woman who "misunderstood" her briefing on the regular cruise control - set it on the hwy then turned around to get something from the back seat. Obvious result. Don't know if this is true or anecdotal, but that is how he explained Benz's decision to drop active cruise despite heavily advertising it.

    For enigma: the prior LS400 nav system was not compatible with the Nakimichi, but the new one is standard, right? So the Mark Lev. must be compatible with the Nav sys. and the Nak. no longer an option, I assume? And that means touch screen control for the Mark Lev. and some steering wheel control?
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