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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Funny......I was actually being funny (about the feet part), but there were some cases of manual trans cars being reported as accelerating unintentionally. Also the pedals were placed the same for both transmission types.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Your opinion on the new Mercedes CLS please. I posted this in another topic, but I'm starting to like the BMW 5-Series. Unbelievably the 5-Series actually looks pretty good in lighter colors.

    M
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    I actually like looks of the Audi Le Mans better, but the reality is that I probably will not be in the market for either. I'm just not the type that wants to be 'wasteful' by having more cars than drivers in the family, and a car like that just isn't going to be an everyday driver for me.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Unbelievably the 5-Series actually looks pretty good in lighter colors."

    I just question the word "unbelievably" :)
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well usually cars like the 5 and 7-Series look better in darker colors, because of their styling, i.e. not that attractive. I'm saying that the 5-Series, which I initially said was uglier than all getout is actually attractive, and doesn't has to have its styling detail hidden under a darker color to make it look better. I know it's a bit much, but does that make sense?

    M
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    Each to their own, eh Merc1. To me the 5 and 7 still look like somebody scrambed a box of model cars on the floor and then picked up the pieces and stuck them together with a blindfold on. From the headlights of the 5, which remind me of an owl, to the bustle on the back, the 5 seems artificially contrived. Of course, the 7 looks like someone put a big square box in the trunk and then shut it with a metal press.

    Even though there's supposed to be a single designer behind these cars, I also still liken the new 5 and 7 to camels, which of course are horses designed by a committee.

    I much prefer the MB design to the BMWs, beccause the MB design is integrated, flows smoothly (jellybeans) from front to back. Not everyone may like the MB, but at least it is harmonious.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
  • edspider1edspider1 Posts: 195
    I like the outside styling of MB best, but I have no faults with the other players. I don't see any as ugly. I'm more interested in how they feel while inside the car. I don't know about you, but that's what I see the most of. IMO, Lexus & Jaguar have the best looking interiors. MB comes in second. The rest are about the same. There is an exception, though I don't like the brushed metal/aluminum so many makes are using. I would not be happy with an RX these days. I hope that doesn't ever land in an LS.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    I've noticed your change of heart regarding E60. I’m not understanding the swing from “uglier than all getout" to “actually attractive” though. Wow, I have been known to make 180 degree swings in my opinions but this one stumps me. Wouldn't mind hearing you elaborate. As a BMW owner and long-time fan, Lord knows I've tried to get some growth on E60, but it just isn't happening.

    With regard to the CLS, I'm pulling my hair out over it because it is so close yet so far on my score sheet. My first impression was very positive… sleek, curvaceous and aerodynamic. I believe they had great aspirations with the curves, but the curves are lacking in sophistication… too simple. For instance, the curve of the beltline, and the crease just beneath the beltline, are just too darn symmetrical and parallel.

    And I don’t like how my attention is always drawn to the rear door. It’s the wedge working. The front is a little squeezed. Compare the areas just above the front and rear wheels… disparate… framing some bulk in the doors.

    I like the treatment of the front lamps, but they clearly copied Porsche although not as shapely as Porsche.

    I really wish they would lose that pinched-putty treatment of the trunk… it’s just so out of nowhere.

    I’ve always liked five-spoke wheels but these need a little shape and change in direction… not enough thought in them.

    MB interiors have always been kind to my taste but this one is a potpourri of random, uncalculated shapes. I particularly don’t care for the circular vents and heavy application of wood.

    For the most part I like the exterior of the CLS, particularly the grand aerodynamic picture, but I don’t I believe it was finessed enough… rushed… a little too sketchy. I have to believe the diversity across MB model platforms has precluded the nth degree of effort that a fully implemented design deserves. But due to the disposable, just-do-it world we now live, I fear this is becoming the norm across the board.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    I am in your camp, inside matters more to me because I don't see the outside that much...LS will be my next car even if it is still the least attractive among its closest competitors (to me) when the next generation is rolled out.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "With regard to the CLS, I'm pulling my hair out over it because it is so close yet so far on my score sheet."

    Gee, I wish I still had some hair of my own to pull out. (:-/

    I agree with you though, with the demise of the 5-Series (at least in my eyes), I feel like a person without a country. Lots of cars have certain "right" features, however, virtually everything currently on the market is just wide enough of the mark to make me wonder if I will still be driving my E39 for another eight or ten years.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • vchengvcheng Posts: 1,286
    ..Lexus/BMW sedan mix with a honking big V-8, stick shift (no more than 5 speeds preferably) and only a few electronic doodads: stability control, antilock brakes, traction control, all with off switches. Climate control (single zone, gasp!). Thats' it.

    No nav, no air suspension, no Idrive, no power windows, no power mirrors, no sunroof, no leather.

    All that for a 40-45K tag, and I'm there!
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    "...with the demise of the 5-Series (at least in my eyes), I feel like a person without a country."

    Well said. I try to stay optimistic though. I think if I can't get passionate about a car to replace my 530, I'll just save the money and go back to driving cars with plain 'ol economy and utility. Then hopefully the sports cars will still offer up the thrills. I can't imagine them going south... knock on wood!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    There is a lot to be said for the idea of replacing my 530i (when the time comes, and none too soon at that) with something like a Dodge Stratus for under $20K and then a 1995 911 for $35K. Then again, we still have our old 1998 Caravan as a third car so maybe I'll just skip the Stratus and get a lightly used 2000-2002 911, or even a 2003 M5. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    If you can stand the bland styling the M45 is quite a bargain in this segment. Edmunds gave it a very positive review, particularly in the performance and handling.

    Lexus-class reliability and quality, class leading 340 hp V8 333 ftlbs torque VVT w/32 titanium valves. ABS/EBD/TRAC/VSC, 18" wheels, 5 speed sport / automatic. You can get it without the moonroof, nav, etc. but you are stuck with leather, though the seats are ventilated and highly bolstered.

    Should sticker out around $45,000 and given its lack of popularity, probably can be had for a substantial discount.

    It's probably one of the best car buys in this category if you are more interested in how it drives than how it looks.
  • edspider1edspider1 Posts: 195
    That does fit vcheng's requirements. I went to the web site. It is well priced. I'm suprised it isn't selling better. I didn't notice a manual tranny option.
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    Just for clarification vheng, do you think that the automatic tranny's with the + / - up / down sport shifting are significantly different from the manual transmissions with shift pattern and a clutch?

    It seems like to me that these newer autotranny's offer the best of both worlds - without a clutch to bother with! If you want to select gears you can. If you want to run through the gated notches you can. If you want to put it in drive you can.
  • davieboy1davieboy1 Posts: 14
    I am seriously considering lease/purchase of an A8. Loved the car when I test drove it at the dealer, but I have been reading about service and reliability issues and poor residual values. An extended warranty seems to be a must in this car but I cannot have a car in the shop that long. One person had theirs in the shop 17 days since October. Is this a major concern. Should I again look at the 745i with its quirks like idrive but better reliability and residuals. Thanks.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    While I cannot speak for VCheng, I can opine for myself. An automatic is an automatic is an automatic. No matter how many do-it-yourself shifter devices they invent, it's still an automatic. IMHO, nothing can replace a conventional manual transmission with a third pedal style of clutch, nothing. What's the difference you ask? After all shifting is shifting, right? Nope. With a true clutch (as in foot operated), you have an infinitely variable speed of engagement ranging from feathery soft to slammin' so hard that the glove box involuntarily egresses its entire contents on the passengers' seat (or lap as the case may be). Done right, a car with a manual transmission is smoother or faster or both, depending upon the mood of the driver. Then of course there is the mileage to consider, not that buyers of "High End Luxury Marques" pay too much attention to mileage. That said, I kind of like the fact that my 530i 5-Speed gets about 31mpg on road trips and has averaged a little over 25 mpg in its first two years with me.

    So, for my money (and I suspect for VCheng's as well) only a transmission with a stick and a third pedal need apply. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
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