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  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Make sure you catch the automobile section of the NY Times this Sunday. Got mine today with the Saturday paper. They reviewed the 6 series. Very negative review with many of the things you have been saying. I started to wonder if you wrote it or influenced it.

    One thing that I remember and now understand better than ever was the quote about i-drive. They said "brilliant interface, but it has no business being in a car". I'd put in "when it works" after the brilliant interface line. The MMI I had in the Audi rebooted itself 15 times on a 100 mile trip - that is 15 times once I started to keep track of it. It did it at least 3 or 4 times before I started tracking it. It froze the radio and blew away the nav and when it rebooted put a foreign language station on. But the best of all was that on one reboot I had finally had enough. So I pulled off onto the shoulder of the road and shut the engine hoping that would cure its ailment. To my amazement the MMI wouldn't shut down. It kept working with the key out of the ignition. It was actually draining the battery! Then of course I had some trouble restarting the car but finally I did. After a minute I shut down the car and the MMI shut with it this time. Then I restarted and pulled back on the road, the MMi worked - for 5 minutes - then shut down and started the rebooting process all over again - many times. It obviously needs some kind of software fix. But my take on it is simple. It is needles, useless and downright stupid for this technology to be in a car - so I know firsthand what the NY Times reporter was saying. I fiddled with it for so long that it hit me how little I was paying attention to the road. Therein is the real danger and stupidity of these interfaces. They increase risk and deter you from the real driving experience - sometimes without you realizing it till after the fact. Plus they put you in a real bad mood. And that female voice on the nav system - well - I'm not going there. But she should be fired immediately. George Seinbrenner looks tame next to her.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Thanks for the heads up on the 6 in the NYT… will definitely hawk it.

    The following looks like an edited version of the S spy shots we saw a couple of months ago. It looks good but it's obviously photoshopped. I say hire the photoshop gurus as consultants… the car world would be a much prettier place.

    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6776

    Hey, check out my latest mini review of the 2006 3-series in the "Good, Bad, or Ugly..." BMW thread. Would like to know what you think. There's an abundance of spy shots floating around that appear credible.

    designman "Good, Bad or Ugly - Current and Future styling trends of BMW" Aug 14, 2004 10:52am
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    I thought someone wrote the 3 series held up well in the re-design. That thing is another wreck. BMW has lost its mind and its soul went with it.
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    Those side creases on all new BMW designs look as if all their cars were originally conceived as SUVs, and then get put through a press to lower their height and turn them into sportier cars. They look powerful but pudgy, like undisciplined athletes in the off-season. Somebody please save BMW design: the cars look Japanese at a time when the Japanese are starting to master the European design language...
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Well said except for one thing. I'd like to know how the "Japanese are starting to master the European design language." Tell me you're kidding. Japanese styling is hit and miss, mostly miss. And there is no such thing as a European design language anymore. It's now a global cacophony, a Tower of Babel.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "They look powerful but pudgy"

    An LS 430 looks pudgy, not the new 3 series prototype.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Even the BMW diehard who reviewed the 6-series in the NY Times said the BMW's needed to go on diets. His take on what BMW stands for these days - "Bring The Weight".
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    What is the cause for them turning away? Bad cars or personal reasons.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    That journalist is entitled to his/her opinion, but there are others that disagree. I'm not sure I would weight the a NYT car review above Edmunds.

    I could find others that contradict that review as well, but why bother.

    http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/bmw/6series/100382975/review.html- ?tid=edmunds.n.reviewmmindex.content.num3.0.bmw*
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    the review you post a link to states "its shape fails to elicit universal enthusiasm". no one doubts the dynamic excellence, but even a friend of mine that owns one says he did not buy it for the looks.
  • I have been watching the spy pics evolve from the very beginning and I think that the newest ones (the long wheel base in white) is just stunning. I love the rear and the side profile is really beautiful. My only concern is the front. Overall design though, Mercedes has a winner IMO.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    pablo...that statement is so general that it is true. I don't know of anyone car that elicits universal enthusiam on every point. Even when you say Porsche...it is followed by spartan unless you want to spend big bucks.

    So that fact the 6 series fails to "elicit universal enthusiam" is a true statement because all people are not expected to like everything.
  • designodesigno Posts: 14
    Right. My problem with the design is the front. Somehow, it looks too similar to the current generation (maybe even cheaper looking), and really has a striking resemblance to the new Nissan's out there, part. the Altima.

    BTW: Has my post w/ the link been deleted?
  • designodesigno Posts: 14
    I don't know about the interior, though. Based on those one or two pics, they look WAY too similar to the 7-Series. It's almost like MB copied that. Why? I personally love the current S-Class interior. Hopefully, the interior and the front will change/look nicer in official MB photos.
  • Yea, I don't know what to think about that interior photo. I'm sure it will look similar, but better. I hope so anyway. But the overall shape and such will be BMW 7er, IMO.
  • designodesigno Posts: 14
    Have heard through several people regarding a new MB lease for the '05 S-Class. Apparently, it's a two-year lease for a S430, S500 and will bridge owners to the '07 S-Class. Does anyone here have any info about that?
  • What's happening, Pat? Where is everyone?
  • designodesigno Posts: 14
    this place used to be packed!!!! What happened to merc1? this place looks dead to me. HELLLL-LOOOOOO?????? Anyone here??? I am amazed.
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    Maybe we're all busy buying new SUVs for our wives.. :-)
  • I guess no one has anything to say when we are not talking about silly comparisons or brand wars...
  • I recently traded my RX330 on a SL55. If I have lots of problems, Merc1 is going to be in big trouble!! I haven't owned a Mercedes since 1993. I have only driven a couple hundred miles--no problems so far. I miss the Lexus navigation and backup camera. Obviously, the SL is more fun to drive. This is my first convertible since owning a 1989 Cadillac Allante. I will keep you posted regarding quality control.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    All you need to say is the 89 allante beats the 2004 SL55 and this place will light up like an electrical storm.

    Where is merc1 - I'm getting worried about him.

    Pablo - any decisions on the suv?
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    Wife decided to keep hers. She wanted to get a new ML, and since hers still looks like new, we decided it wasn't worth it. She has her eyes set on totally swithcing in 2 years: she wants a Porsche Boxster S for her 40th. I support her choice whole-heartedly. :-)
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Maybe Merc just started the car and pointed it toward Mexico.

    ;-)
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    With or without Norton as the chaffeur?

    Heh, Heh Heh ya dirty old _______
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Great thing about the internet, is that anybody can post anything and anyone can believe it. :)
  • I can see why people would favor the Cady over the BMW 5 and Mercedes E.

    But at those prices it is no where near the LS430 that is loaded with both luxury and safety features and loaded up costs the same or less, and is, of course, far more dependable.
  • 79377937 Posts: 390
    Yeah I know. It's like Timex beating Rolex huh?
  • Maybe just like Rolex and not beaten by anyone, at least not in the area of dependability.
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