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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    And just who is going to do that? Cheney?
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    No. Kerry.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,577
    Hang it up on the politics.

    (You're both wrong anyway. LOL)
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    As long as there are rampant profits to be made in oil, nobody will invest in alternative ideas, except Japan.
  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
      Good point. I sincerely doubt the Oil companies are going to allow alternatives such as hydrogen to eat into their market share. In creating the Hybrid, Toyota and Honda have presented a viable technology. Okay, it's not a replacement for oil, but it at least makes for a more efficient technology.
       I'll be very impressed if the RX400h lives up to the hype. The allure of the hybrid technology is almost enough for me to trade my 02 LS in 2006/7 when the new Hybrid LS is expected. This is what I call revolutionary technology.

  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    Ferrari is.

    Current constructor points:

    Ferrari 106
    Renault 61
    BAR-Honda 46
    Williams-BMW 36
    Sauber-Petronas 10
    McLaren-Mercedes 5

    Jag has 3 points and is further down.

    MB engines aren't reliable, BMW's fading from competition. Honda moving up.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Indeed, my wife and I will be closely looking at the RX400h. I think Toyota has a chance to revolutionize the industry, as well as grab that 15% market share they've been after..
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I don't think the OIL companies have a choice, I don't know about you but I don't want to pay $3 or more a gallon. Hybrid technology is a band-aid, real alternative sources need to be found. GM and BMW both investing in hydrogen/fuel cell technology. It doesn't matter how proven hybrid technology is if there is no oil to make gasoline.
  • There is actually plenty of oil on this earth to take us for another centry ...there is plenty to satisify our needs just in the US territories ...The problem is the enviormental people who do not want us to drill for it and I am not just talking about Anwar. We have huge Coal reserves from which Oil can be extracted and there is hard to reach oil in our current fields that can be reached with R&D and good old American enterprise. Nuclear Plans for electricity should replace current plants that eat up Oil and Gas (Mostly Natural Gas) Nuclear has proven to be the Cleanest and safest form of energy and if we can get the lawyers out of the way and start building these plants it is also the cheapest

    There is huge reserves off shore all our coasts...The California coast has massive oil resources as does Florida.

    The thing that I find curious is that our enviormental people object to our drilling in the US which has the best laws for protecting the enviorment in the world...

    If this is truly one small earth ship and the cleanest drilling is preferred to the dirty countries drilling, we should be drilling all our oil at home.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    wouldn't you become a dirty country by drilling all the oil? by building more oil wells?

    "The thing that I find curious is that our enviormental people object to our drilling in the US which has the best laws for protecting the enviorment in the world..."

    Well, if the US increased oil drilling off the shore of California, in remote parts of Alaska, then you would be doing more harm to the environment. Wouldn't you?
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    It seems to me that with all of our advanced technology, real technology leadership, especially in 'luxury' vehicles that tout technology as a heritage or forté, should be strong on very low emissions per vehicle.

    It would be smart and the extra money well-spent.

    Instead, I think the horsepower and land barge SUV wars, are doing just the opposite.
  • You would be doing far less harm drilling in the US...our people can drill in a clean, Enviormentally save way....Other countries don't care. My point is we would become a cleaner World....

    Not drilling in Anwar is the most Moronic decision this countries Envormental people have stuck us with....I Have been to Barrow..In fact my brother spent years working up there..I know what that part of the country is is 100s of miles of nothing, drilling would not and probably could not harm anything in that enviorment.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    Aren't you doing harm by drilling for oil to begin with? If you drill for more oil, it would put more oil on the market, thereby lowering oil prices, which in turn lowers gas prices by increasing supply, which in turn leads to more gas being used by drivers either by buying bigger gas guzzling cars or by using a lead foot.

    Isn't it wiser to find alternative clean fuels? Such as Hydrogen.

    Which would have a bigger beneficial impact on the planet? the US drilling more oil in remote areas or simply doing away with drilling for oil and finding better energy sources?
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    Would someone please explain to me where the hydrogen for fuel cells is supposed to come from? I have read that natural gas is a potential source, but there doesn't seem to be any surplus of that. Nuclear power could be used to generate hydrogen, but the environmentalists go ballistic when you talk about new nuclear power plants.
  • Max:

    I have a brother-in-law with patents on fuel cells...He says it is unlikely there will ever be Hydrogen fuel cells that are practical.

    Yes if we could run cars on water of something cheap that would be great the moment there are no practical alternatives to what we are already doing....If you want to volunteer to ride a bicycle every where you go...Great we will save some oil...Hybrids will save some oil..Nuclear will save lots of oil and gas..The enviormental people don't want us to build hydro....

    Tomorrow you and I will need to drive somewhere or fly..That take gas and gas comes from oil. (NOT TO MENTION PLASTIC PRODUCTS THAT WE ALL USE)

    It is good to dream about a better fuel and more efficent cars but the fact is we will get up tomorrow and need to drive somewhere.
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    Got three quarters af a tank today..Thirty two dollars.
    Went to a nice resturant the other day and steak for two eighty five dollars plus tip..I find everything expensive, but everything is relative, and my income is also up and I might add , alot more than these new expensive prices...I`l stop if they stop....Tony ps I`,m not buying a hundred thousand dollar Lexus period
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Nuclear isnt particularly clean or safe. What exactly DO you do with all of those spent rods? Where do they go? We dont want them in THIS country. Biomass power seems to be the answer, or at least, a way to cut down on coal and oil. Biomass is very clean, and leaves none of that messy nuclear waste that has to be sealed for 10,000 years.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081

    "You are pretending that a wider model/price range hurts sales rather than helps sales. If we used your reasoning, then if Lexus were to introduce a 100k or even 200k super-LS, it would hurt overall LS unit sales."

    Until you acknowledge that the price is higher than any Lexus for the upper S-Class models your point is moot with me.

    "S-Class sales are NOT limited by the existence of the higher-trim lines, as long as the S430 is still marketed."

    And the S430 still costs more than LS430. You're ignoring price at every turn. You pretend it has no bearing on anything.


    You are also ignoring price. Yes having more variants could help sales overall, but they're priced even higher than any LS430. This whole discussion got started because of some half-baked theory about the S-Class having more models should equal more sales and my point is that isn't always going to be the case because those extra models costs waaay more than the LS430.

    Maybe we've been arguing about nothing because you two didn't make the original ridiculous statement. Are you both saying that the S-Class should sell more units because it has more variants, though the price difference is pretty steep in some cases?

    I still think someone else is using your ID in some of your other


    No offense but I haven't responded to any of your recent posts because I found them largely irrelevant to the discussion. Its basically always the same thing with you (nothing factual) so I don't bother anymore. To me personally you're not on the same page as the other Lexus owners/fans. I didn't post one "dig" about Lexus or at you before leaving, the whole thing was started (this time) by a certain Lexus fan who remains lost on the facts whenever they post.


    Long time ago (lol) you asked me had I driven the BMW M3 SMG, nope just the good ole manual version. WOW to sum it up.


    "If the MB's of this world were that good, they might as well show up for one season, show people the dust and move one."

    Then the gold ole boys would come to F1 and DTM etc. and do the same right?


    Lost footie... Do you not understand that different racing series are for different makers? Gee whiz...why doesn't MB compete in rallying with Subaru? Why doesn't Chevy compete in DTM. Utterly ridiculous.

    MB isn't dominate in F1 but they've won before. What has Lexus done in F1. Oh wait, "Lexus" isn't in F1 because it is synthetic nameplate. Forgot that. I don't think you even understand racing at all. Example:

    "You want something that puts out max power, at 200+ mph for 500 miles or more, where do you go? Not Europe."

    Bull! Where the hell are Ferrari and Porsche from? They have more racing victories than Toyota will ever have. Period! Ferrari builds the most reliable/durable engines in the world's premier auto racing series..Formula One.

  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Yep, that should put an end to the nuclear energy talk but good. Today will be must-reading here. Stay tuned folks.
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