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  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Posts: 200
    Merc1 will not admit that a lowly Ford can influence the design of the one and only MB.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289

    Whenever I drive by a Audi dealer, they have a lot full of new Audi's. How do you suppose they sell a parking lot full of new Audi's at full price? Lexus can't seem to do it, BMW can't, Mercedes can't, Jaguar can't. How does Audi do it?

    Second, the A4, which is supposed to compete head on with the BMW 3-series, sells at a fraction of the pace of the 3-series. Why does BMW give incentives currently to sell their more popular 3-series? And you're telling me Audi dealers are selling A4s for sticker? What a joke!

    Third, why am I going to waste my time talking to a sleazy car dealer for a car I do not even want? Check out Edmunds TMV(it is known to be a good indicator of the market) and it says the A4 goes for a discount.

    Fourth, I have a good friend who purchased a A4 AWD with sport package and 6-speed soon after the new A4 came out and he bought it for $4K off sticker, which was more than any Lexus dealer in Mass. would discount a ES300 at the time.

    Another example? Brother bought a A4 in 2001 for a considerable amount off sticker.

    Lastly, you didn't give proof of your background. You clearly stated you worked for Audi, when in fact, you work for a Audi dealer. There is a big difference between one and the other.

    "Do you want pictures of the cars (LEXUS MERC BMW) that i have hear and deal with everyday??"

    What does that have to do with anything? How does you selling cars prove you sell Audi's at full price? How does pictures of Lexus, Merc, BMW, prove Audi's are sold at MSRP?

    "email me by click on my name above."

    How, do you think I figured out you didn't work for Audi?
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289

    Honestly, I don't see any resemblance between the Taurus and E-class. I personally think the current E-class Benz is just about perfect looking from all angles and pretty darn original in it's styling.
  • livinbmwlivinbmw Posts: 120
    Max, come on man. That was just a little light hearted humor directed toward those that are enthusiasts, not owners. You're a funny guy.

    How do you have access and drive all these luxury cars anyway? Do you go and joy ride at dealers and waste salespeople's time? How many times have you had your honda appraised? Only reason that I ask is that I'm in the industry on the retail end and I'm in and out of dealers everyday and attend manufacturers events often.
  • Bob:

    How many you ask...The problem is NoBody cares.

    Unless you want to try and sell us on the idea that there are 10s of 1000s of buyers for A-8 and S-4 but Audi is too dumb to build them and make a profit??
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    "Exactly. Audibob, have you noticed that Audi residual is worse than both BMW and Mercedes, and far worse than Lexus? An '00 A6 4.2 is currently worth less than 1\2 of its new MSRP. "

    WHAT???? Let see what Edmunds Says:

    2000 Merc E320 (Devalued $41 k Dep, Mant, etc) ml?tid=edmunds.u.prices.leftsidenav..18.Mercedes-Benz*#cost

    2000 BMW 528 (Devalued $41 k Dep, Mant, etc)

    2000 Lexus LS430 (Devalued $44 k Dep, Mant, etc) munds.u.prices.leftsidenav..18.Lexus*#cost

    2000 Audi A6 4.2 (Devalued $41 k Dep, Mant, etc) s.u.prices.leftsidenav..18.Audi*#cost

    PS: $25,900 is the edmunds resale for this car...hmmm....The current price in todays money is $49,500. Factor that the car initially cost less 4 years ago, and your other statement is faulty too.

    Try again.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,663
    You're the expert - what's thes ales volume of A8's in the US. I've seen 2000-2400 for the old model with a pickup to the 4,000 range with the new. The latter will likely fall right back by next year to its normal spot. Saw that data in many places including many posted on this website. There was an Audi salesman on the Phaeton board who said - in a post - his boss groaned everytime an A8 was due in.

    Sticker - every Audi - now you are really making yourself look bad.
  • Bob:

    How about Number of sales on the A-8 and web sites to back them up?

    You seem to come to the table with a hand full of gimmy and a mouth full of much obliged
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    Hey all you angry lexus owners trying to validate you ideology, what do you think about edmund rating the LS400 at the hightest cost to own???
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    michael_mattox Jul 21, 2004 (2:41 pm)
    Bob: How many you ask...The problem is NoBody cares.

    Make up your mind on what you want Michael, or is you desire just to argue?
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    Don't worry, dude, you're even funnier!!

    How do I have access to soo many cars? I have friends/relatives/co-workers who have many different types. I have many enthusiast nuts.

    One friend of mine has had a 97/98 Z3 2.8 that he modified w:lightweight flywheel, exhaust, beefed up trans./18"Breyton wheels, Brembo brakes. Same guy later had 00 BMW 530i sport w/manual.
    before that VW Jetta VR6. Currently, has a Volvo S60R. I have driven all of them as he leases and doesn't really care how it's driven.

    ANother had the current gen. A4 Sport 6-speed for about 6 months, before that a MB C280(driven both).

    One relative has a stable of Lexi' 95 ES, 00 LS400,

    Father in law has a current gen. LS430, as well as a Benz ML320

    Other relative has a previous gen. 7-series.

    Otherwise, a friend works at Lexus NA in NJ. Been to ride and drive event with him in NJ where they Lexus products as well as competition. Driven them on a racetrack, slalom, wet braking, dirt braking, acceleration.

    Sorry, I have better things to do than waste salespeople's time, even though when I do it is quite fun to waste their time and listen to them hype their products up. you know how it is, bump up the horsepower numbers, make the car faster in 0-60time, etc.

    "How many times have you had your honda appraised? Only reason that I ask is that I'm in the industry on the retail end and I'm in and out of dealers everyday and attend manufacturers events often."

    WHat does that have to do with my car? But yes I've had it appraised. Thought about purchasing a Acura TSX last year but it sucked.
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    We are back to the "I want to be and owner, but just heard from the thousands of friends/relatives who own them" club.

    Yea, right.
  • Bob:

    I am not so selfish as to think there may be someone who would like to see the Numbers....It doesn't seem there is anyone here who would actually want to buy one. Certainly not at sticker.

    But, I could be wrong.
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    "Thought about purchasing a Acura TSX last year but it sucked. "

    Yep. I agree with you.
  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Posts: 200
    Even Cadillac has better value than Audi, just look at 2003 CTS Vs. A4 used Values.

    TSX=Accord with leather & Navigation
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    Where do you come up with B.S. from?

    True cost to own for 2004 year cars:

    LS430: 67K
    745i: 76K
    S430: 81K
    E500: 65K

    And your precious A8 isn't even on the list because not enough are sold to gather information on.

    Please go on with Audi's selling at MSRP!
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    Kinda similar to yourself hoping to be a owner? If you click your heels and really really wish, maybe one day you will be able to own a fine Audi yourself.

    BTW, since you supposedly have soo many used Lexus on the lot, try taking off a front fender and see if it has styrofoam in it. I bet you you know it really doesn't but you're just dying for attention or are extremely bored because you haven't sold a Audi in days because nobody is willing to pay MSRP for one.
  • audibobaudibob Posts: 33
    My Audi is a A4 6Cyl
    Texas Plate

    Look these up if you can and you will have me and my car.
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    Dear AudioBob,

    This post isn't necessarily all that auto related, but it does help clarify whether windows and other commercial grade OS's are in use by the military, which was a point of discussion earlier.

    I would conclude that your assertion that this technology wasn't used by the government is just plain wrong.

    It looks like the University of Texas (right there in your backyard) has helped develop very important technology for Mine Detection for the Navy. It's based on one of their standard platforms - which is the industry standard pc-104 stackable card format.

    This recent SBIR soliticitations is seeking software for deployment on a PC104 platform using Windows.

    You might learn more at the website. They provide modules and software for every environment for pc104: DOS, windows, linux etc.

    N04-207   TITLE: Multi aspect sonar classification for High Resolution Broadband Sonar (HRBS)

    TECHNOLOGY AREAS: Sensors, Battlespace

    ACQUISITION PROGRAM: PEO(LMW);  Explosive Ordnance Disposal Program Office, PMS-EOD

    OBJECTIVE: Develop improved Multi Aspect Classification Processing (MADC) algorithms for advanced bottom and buried mine target detection and classification.

    DESCRIPTION:  MADC processing is a biologically inspired approach to mine detection and classification based on years of Office of Naval Research (ONR) and Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) funded research in the study of Dolphin (Tursiops truncatus) biological sonar (biosonar) and associated Fleet system development. DARPA recently funded a Dolphin Based Sonar (DBS) development effort, which designed wideband (80kHz) sonar that incorporates biologically based transmitter and receiver elements and image generation capability. This system was designed and developed during the 1999 – 2002 fiscal years and was tested at Applied research Laboratory, University of Texas (ARL-UT) Lake Travis test site and in San Diego bay.  Target sets detected consisted of eight Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) certified mine simulators at ARL-UT and mine simulators with associated bottom clutter objects in San Diego bay. Approximately 50,000 sq. meters of B-2 bottom type data were ensonified using the DBS in a manner similar to Unmanned Undersea Vehicle (UUV) search patterns. A rich data set was collected.  The DBS signal processing was successful in demonstrating basic functionally of an initial multi aspect detection and classification processing scheme applied to the San Diego bay data.  The multi aspect detection and classification approach showed great promise.  ONR has since funded efforts to advance portions of the approach for transition to existing/planned UUV platforms.

    Further efforts are required to refine the MADC process for incorporation into UUV sonar sensors.  Development of Code, which must run on standard UUV computer architecture (PC104+ systems running advanced windows OS) that is compact, fast and provides for:

    1)  Image generation from extracted data ”snippets”, for either acoustic feature based or synthetic aperture type images to aid classification by automated processes or visually recognizable by a sonar operator are needed.

    2)  Classification techniques based on multi aspect returns for and associated feature sets of the mine contact data need to be developed for enhanced classification performance.

    3)  Refined and more fully developed acoustic focusing processes (motion compensation algorithms).
  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Posts: 200

    In this company, no one dominates any car as almost as good as any other. It’s a tough segment to be in. Audi, BMW and Mercedes are no longer Kings here.

    My pick so far from reviews (Cadillac) I have never driven any of them. Why Cadillac?

    BMW handling, Jaguar soft leather, Lexus quite, Cadillac quality and style, American size, peppy smooth, quite Northstar.
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