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  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Appreciate the quick response.

    I am doing great actually. Wife is back to school doing an E-MBA. Means I'm doing double duty at home (kids and grandma to care for), and work which is hectic and triply demanding. I am barely hanging on sometimes, but I do get a few breaks in-between :) I saw a nice cruise trip on Carnival to the Bahamas, a 7-day trip, for like $1K (taking off from Tampa) and I'm tempted to just get on one and sail away !!!

    Currently, wife wants me to replace her Sequoia with an LX470 so I am back shopping for one. Should be fun.... I've got only about $40K to spend, and that'll probably be for an MY2002 at best. My choice would be an '03 tho', but I'll see what I do get. Still waiting for that LS in 2006!!! Looks like the Lexus makeover will truly shake the industry - all over again.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,662
    I had the 2001 LX. It was great. Best SUV made as far as I'm concerned. Our friends have a Range Rover and while its nice it just doesn't have the build quality of the LX and they've had some problems with it, though nothing major. My wife drives the GX and it's excellent but the LX is definitely the premium of the two. You won't go wrong with any year from 2001 - 2003. But the rear-view camera which I have on both the LS and GX was a great addition. I thought it was only needed on the SUV's but it's great having it in the car as well. But I don't know when they added it on the LX.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    I always said, even from pictures, that the '06 GS has alot of the LF-Ss styling cues. As people see it in person they see the resemblance to the concept. I always thought the '06 GS looked good in pictures, but I have noticed alot of people that didn't like it in pictures are liking it as they see it in person.

    I know some people at Lawrence LExus in Princeton, NJ and they are a little worried about the 2 new Lexus dealers coming-the one in Freehold and Difeo in Edison area.
  • As a previous owner of several Mercedes, Acuras, Lexus, and BMW, I now can say I am in the best car of my lifetime----The Volkswagen Phaeton!!!!
    Never have I seen quality this good. Everyone that sees it, raves over it and just can't believe what a beautiful car it is - and from VW!!! One is in my garage and I plan on keeping it. Goodbye Mercedes. You sold out to chrysler and it really shows. I hope the Phaeton continues because I'll trade for a new one in 4 or 5 years I hope..
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    The Phaeton is a great looking car, inside and out. It has that generic VW styling, but I really like it.
  • The plan of keeping the Phaeton is a very good one----there is no demand for them on the market and VW can't give them away. You need to hope that you don't need service on it because the VW dealers treat everyone like they own a beetle. Even if it were as good a car as the Lexus,the whole dealer experience with VW sucks!
  • dcowan:

    Good for you..Can you tell us what you paid for you Phaeton and some of the features? Does it have radar Cruse, heated and cooled seats, GPS and what type (one disk or several # of points of interest) Engine and HP that kind of stuff...
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Looked like a happy owner here. Ultimately, what you'd like to see is that your ownership experience matches your excitement, and hence no regrets. This will be borne out over time.

    Congratulations on your new car.
  • It was the W12 of 2004. Black with a charcoal (anthracite)leather. I got it at $83000.00 with every available feature except the 4 seater package. I didn't like the fact a person couldn't slide through the backseat if they had to and it just wasn't necessary. This car by far is fabulous. I wouldn't have a MB ever again if this car remains as good as it is now. The fit and finish is awesome. The ride is great. I tossed and turned about the longevity of the Phaeton in the market and decided "so what if it struggles, I have a great car for the next 5 years". I really hope more luxury car lovers will consider this car because you are missing out on a great buy. If it were a MB, it would be over $130,000.00. The sound system is AWESOME!!!!!
    Seats are so comfortable. My wife is not a 'car person'. But even she is having a fit over it.
  • I disagree with your comment on the dealer issue. They have treated me as if I bought a Maybach. They (usually 2 or 3 salesmen) almost come running to the door when I walk up. They are so proud to have the Phaeton on their floors. Now they don't have to send their older customers down the street to bmw or mb dealers for a nice upscale luxury car.
    Phaeton lives on.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    The Phaeton is a seriously nice car. If you hide the VW emblem you can tell it's a 70-80K car in a NY second. If you don't hide the VW emblem you can tell it's a 70-80K car in a NY second. I was seriously thinking about this as my next vehicle, even before the 745.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    According to Edmunds, a loaded 2004 W12 had a list price of around $103,000 and an invoice of around $94,000. Are you saying that - at $83,000 - you bought a brand new 2004 Phaeton for around $11,000 UNDER invoice?

    On the one hand, this sounds like a great deal. However, if VW has to give them away, the resale value is likely to drop like a rock as well. It would be interesting to see how much the Pheaton will really end up costing buyers if they end up giving them away after 3-4 years.

    A high school friend of mine who is an orthopedic surgeon and a car nut jokes that he can't afford a Phaeton. His fun car is a $132k 911 Turbo Cabriolet and he is trading his 2001 E55 for 2005 S55 ($110k +/-). But, or so he claims, his two cars totaling $250k will depreciate less over 3-4 years than one $100k Pheaton. Probably not, but he does quite well driving very nice cars that hold their value well.

    We happen to be SUV shopping and he advised me to reconsider buying a new Land Rover LR3 for the same reason. He bought a used low mileage 2002 Range Rover for his wife this spring for $33,000. At that price, the original owner took a $40k+ bath for 30 months and 30,000 miles. His prediction was that a 4 year old Phaeton will be a $40k car. A good value then, not now.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Posts: 9,359
    ........ There is a $10,000 kicker on em', and there isn't a dealer from Maine to Monterey, California that won't drop-kick one of those dudes off their floorplan, the W12's are only doing the $59/$60,000 figure at the auctions ...

                   $40k.? that might be a little on the optimistic side .l.o.l... .. great vehicles, but VW missed that market by light years .............. :(


  • You will understand my comment about the dealer experience better after you call to get a service appointment for one of the many electronic glitches you will experience and you are told that the only tech that is trained on your car is sick,on jury duty,or has been called up to go to Iraq for 2 years. Before you are finished with your VW experience, the Lexus LS430 will seem like the biggest bargain in the world and the Phaeton will be really,really expensive to have owned!!
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    "Before you are finished with your VW experience, the Lexus LS430 will seem like the biggest bargain in the world and the Phaeton will be really,really expensive to have owned!!"

    todd2004… In case you haven't noticed, some people can afford to spend more than others. I'd like to know the one person who can buy stocks at the bottom and sell at the peak.

    dcowan699… Congratulations! Sounds like the Phaeton has what you want and will offer you a most enjoyable experience. That's all that matters. And it's an absolutely handsome vehicle in my opinion. Enjoy! Also, stay around, I'd love to hear more about your experience. Sometimes we are like a bunch of yentas around here but it is mostly good-spirited.

    Pat_host, can the Phaeton be added to the list in the masthead?

  • Yes! My car stickered at $103,000.00 yet they sold it to me (no miles on the car) for $83000. No arguing at all. I simply said," How low can you go" and without a second of delay, he told me $83K. I new right then it was a done deal.
    Yes, I realize that the car will only auction for $60000.00. A Mercedes will drop just the same instantly. My last car was a Mercedes and within 3 months I just stepped into a MB dealership just to act interested in a trade, to see what I could get for it. The car new was $101,000 and within 3 months, they only offered me $65000.00 for it. Therefore, I kept it for at least 3 years. The car never really kept any value. I think the Phaeton will do no worse than benz. Phaeton's are going to stay around for years as this car is IMO the most serious competition to a lot of other high end cars. Quality seems excellent and the prices are great considering the competition. All of the other high end cars have quality issues, except the mighty Lexus. I just don't like the looks of the Lexus 430. I like German cars. I have not had my Phaeton long enough to judge it on quality, but at this point, it seems as if it will be fine. Most all comments of the Phaeton experience seem positive.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,662
    Best of luck with the Phaeton. It is a screaming bargain at those prices - V8 at the prices I'm seeing or V12 - at what you paid. The biggest issue will be if they keep making them because if they stop, and there is a good chance they will, the residuals will drop. But if you plan to hold the car and it has decent reliability - who cares. You'll end up with something that is rare on the road and serves you well. VW will service it no matter what - either thru the VW network or if that is a bad route than they will let Audi handle it. If they keep making it and it turns the corner than you got in at rock bottom. Even I - nothing but a Lexus buyer since 95 and a Japanese buyer since 91, would have opted for the big VW if I needed a third car at these prices. But that phenomenal Japanese reliability is impossible to walk from for my primary cars. But if I were a German car lover I'd run to the Phaeton immediately. A Phaeton is cheaper than its lesser German competition. Reminds me of when it snows in late March. You know the ground can't stay white for long. Likewise these prices can't hold much longer.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    >> Pat_host, can the Phaeton be added to the list in the masthead?

  • rroyce10rroyce10 Posts: 9,359
    ..**Yes, I realize that the car will only auction for $60000, A Mercedes will drop just the same instantly. My last car was a Mercedes and within 3 months I just stepped into a MB dealership ...**

                 Looks like I wandered into a hornets nest here ... personally, I like the Phaeton and I'm not knocking the vehicle, I've bought a few, sold a few and I probably put 1,500 miles on the last one, it's just because of bad marketing and super poor advertising (and being waaay overpriced) that this vehicle has not gotten off the ground, nothing personal ... that said, there isn't a Benz made that drops $40,000 in the first year, or any year for that matter ~ are you sure you weren't in a Kia store.? .l.o.l....

                  Anyway, enjoy your vehicle - nobody is knocking it ................ :)

  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I am curious as to what Mercedes model you paid $101,000 for that was only worth $65,000 on trade.

    I understand the S-class and 7-series do not hold their value as well as the E-class and 5-series, but I don't know of any Mercedes model that would lose 35% in 3 months.

    FWIW, a couple of weeks ago I called on a 2004 E55 that was advertised in the Washington Post for $79,000. the seller indicated that it had already been sold and that he had a back up offer at $82,000. The car was $85,000 new, had 5k miles on it. Relocating foreign diplomat.

    It seems to me that a BMW M5 or AMG E55 would be a much safer $80K+ investment, albeit a smaller car.
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