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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well I did get to drive the SLK late in Sept on a good chilly day at the "Love Mercedes" event and all I can say is that the Airscarf does work as advertised, and the think the SLK owners are probably a little less stuffy than the SL owners so they might actually let the top down when it cooler than 70


  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    The carpeting next to the gas pedal gets dirty and scuffed up pretty quickly and floor mats should extend to that area. Hmmm, how about a storage compartment for your umbrella?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well it is official. The facelifted 7-Series will be shown at the Geneva Motorshow in March. The 325hp 745i becomes the 360hp 750i/Li with a new 4.8L V8. The 760i/Li stays put with 438hp. I'm hard pressed to see that much difference in the styling. Two articles:

  - - - - 3&n=156


    the more in-depth one with the pictures:

  - - - - ang/eng/bmw/1.html


    The back side just has a few changes to the lamps and a chrome bar, the trunklid itself is the same ugly piece it has always been.



    Note: I wonder if the U.S. market will finally get the entry level V8, the 740i/Li. It has been upgraded too, 306hp. The exact same hp rating as the European Mercedes S500. Mercedes and BMW being marketers of each others cars is the saying in Europe, so now you get an idea what the hp ratings for the new S-Class engine range will be.


  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Lexus LS430 - 32,272

    Mercedes S-Class - 20,460

    BMW 7-Series - 16,155

    Jaguar XJ - 10,552

    Audi A8 - 5,942

    VW Phaeton - 1,939

    Maserati Quattroporte - 425




    Very intesting. The LS ran away with the segment, yet the oldest car is still in 2nd place. Big improvement for the A8, but Phaeton is just not considered. The Maserati is too exotic to ever be more than an a extreme niche player.



  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    DEFINITELY an improvement. This morph is a study in how extreme details can wreck the look of a car. The only change for the worse is the emphasized crease on the hood a la E90 —too much contrast with the overall round contours, and the lone link to surface flaming. And I wish they would lose that chrome-banded wolverine look on the skull. I see the Infiniti M has hitchhiked onto that nonsense.


    There are many subtle revisions and it is clear to me that they made an effort to address the styling problems BMW enthusiasts are moaning about. I am encouraged because they are showing signs of coming back to us.


    Can't wait for the next completely new platforms and a 5 facelift.

  • cove148cove148 Posts: 117
    What period of time does these sales figures cover?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Those are calendar year 2004 sales figures.


  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,914
    I agree.. subtle changes can make a big difference.. I never got the 745i tail light treatment, until I came up on it from the rear at night.. The lights line up nicely then, but are completely off when viewing it in the daytime.. The facelift (buttlift?) brings the rear look closer to the 5-series... Which is still not great.... but, much better..

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  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,914
    The horsepower wars continue.. 360 hp on the base 7-series..

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  • Merc:


    Welcome back...


    I gotta hand it to you...."The oldest car is in second place...


  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Yes, but that 360hp only does a 5.8s 0-60. What's that ? The '05 LS430 does that already with a motor that is 70hp less. Must be the new 7 is bloated with more weight, eh ?
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,914
    I don't know.. Edmunds shows 5.9 for the Lexus.. and BMW claims the same for the current 745i..


    But, more weight is right.. about 475 lbs. more.. I wouldn't exactly say bloated, though.. The Lexus is very light for a full-sized car.. You have to like that..


    Bloated? That would be the Mercedes..




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  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Can't wait for the next completely new platforms and a 5 facelift.


    Won't that be too soon ? Considering the new design is only 1 MY in the market ?


    I agree with you, the new 7 looks much better. Interestingly, my wife (not a car-fan by any long stretch) told me she likes the 7-series the best of all f/s luxury cars. Better than the Lex or MB. She thinks it looks much more solid than its competition. Go figure. I have learnt not to publiclly disagree with her, so there you have it. What she says I agree with. Now I am coming out in the open to proclaim my admiration for the 7-series cos' my wife said so. There....


  • Looked at the cars today at the auto show; I love going to be able to compare all the cars at once. Couldn't believe there was no 7 series there. Otherwise I loved the XJ8L and the A8. I'd take the A8 (I think it's the best looking car both inside and out, especially inside), but with the price diff the XJ8L comes out ahead to me. One thing I couldn't get over was the $20k premium for an S500 over an XJ8L. No idea why that exists, other than MB name. And I'm a current MB owner so not knocking MB, just don't see how they charge such a premium over similar cars. Of course this analysis is by looking and sitting, no driving. . .
  • vwguild2vwguild2 Posts: 113
    Are not typically not priority #1 for most buyers in this one is looking for a slug, but many years have gone by since boasting about such things in the cafeteria lunch line to impress was the thing to do...


    And, of course, I am very pleased to see the PHAETON get so close to the goal numbers for it's rookie season...
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Actually the only cars in this class that are "bloated" are the VW Phaeton V8, Audi A8L and the 745i/Li, all of which weigh more than a S430 or S500.


  • On the 7 series. What change? Ugly still is ugly. Marginal best description. The worst offending most criticized detail is left the same. A Bavarian Lexus GS inspired hunchback scaled up and more offending. I-drive is on what Microsoft 3.0 now? BMW should pay attention what Lexi did to LS refresh much sleaker, bolder front end styling from previous. Impressive sales figure late in the game.


    Saw my first new A8, rear end treatment looks pretty generic, nondescript for its price tag. This car so much wants to join the big "A" list crowd but Audi's 2nd tier status and spotty previous product image and quality wont be happening any time soon. Better get it if you like it as is, the A8 too gets the Mack truck Semi grill. Amazing, Acura sold over 70K TL's last year alone and Audi sold a little over 80K for the entire division here. Pretty sad sales figures given the A4 does 60% of the revenue. But then the A4 never really outshined any competitor anyways.
  • Well, I personally really like the BMW design, and the one thing I didn't like, BMW changed. That would be the front end. I thought the headlights were the worst part of the car. I never had a problem with the rear, and I think it looks better now than it ever has. It seems like the car is a bit less masculine now with those eagle eyes gone. I really like it. However, this is what the original car should have looked like...
  • FWIW, thats why I bought the black interior. The "Havana beige" on a Porsche looks really nice in the photos but for a daily driver?.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    I am re-visiting the link provided by Merc1 re the 2006 7-series ang/eng/bmw/1.html


    and providing a couple excerpts that are just too funny to ignore:


    BMW’s iDrive control concept, the ergonomically sensible combination of single-button control and display monitor introduced in 2001 and much copied since then, has now been further refined....


    Huh ? The idrive is now "much copied" ? By who ???


    All BMW 7 Series now feature BMW’s two-stage Adaptive Brakelights: Whenever the driver applies the brakes harder than usual, motorists following behind are warned by the larger brake light area.


    I am supposed to keep my eyes glued to the rear of the Bimmer just to see that *larger brake light area* when brakes are applied too hard. Huh ? What a feature ???


    The optional CD changer is now MP3 CD-capable


    An optional CD changer on a $80K+ car ? Geez... You can get a CD changer standard on $30K cars, but not on a BMW 7-series ?


    What would they think of next ???
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