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High End Luxury Cars

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  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Thanks... No Infiniti, not for wifey anyway.

    Back to Lexus for me... The LX is really without peers. I don't know why I even thought of another truck in its class... Silly me... Comforting that Lexus is just heads and shoulders above the competition in reliable transportation.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Oooh, check them out carefully - I have several clients with them, and they love them - when they're not in the shop, which is not often.....
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I see nobody would answer your question directly. I've been driving a large SUV for 10 years now. IMO, the Navigator is way superior to the Escalade in features. It has a power folding 3rd seat, a 3rd seat by the way, that you can actully seat an adult in pretty comfortable, and it folds flat into the floor, so you don't have to take the seat out at the antique store, and leave it there, to haul your desk home, then come back for the seat. It has independent rear suspension which makes it ride with far more stability. It has cooled front seats, not just heated. Of course, the Escalade has heated REAR seats, which the Navigator doesn't have. The Navigator also has a power rear door, activated from your keyless fob. The Escalade still has the Silverado interior in it, while the Navigator has a gorgeous unique interior that makes it worthy to be a Lincoln. The Escalade does have a larger engine, so if towing a house if your thing, the Escalade may be superior. Otherwise, I don't know why anybody buys one.

    Now, the LX470 is a very good truck - but much smaller, and the 3rd seat is a joke. The GX470 - even smaller, same problem. But a great truck.

    Mercedes G-Class is in a class by itself, lots more money, and ugly as sin, IMO. But lots of wow factor.

    I've tried them all, the Navigator still wins for me.
  • OAC, "Rip Off 525i"??

    I think your posts are usually insightful so I am surprised by your catergorization of the 525i as a rip off. Wouldn't say a 525i with sports suspension, variable steering and a stick shift be a great cost-effective way to get the Bimmer experience w/o paying thru the nose? Throw on a set of Zenons and it would be a middle-aged guys dream.

    Whaddya thunk?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Aside from the FX, there's the X5 4.8. I wouldnt recommend an old ML55, wait for the new one.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    The new Range Rover is also a fantastic SUV. My neighbor has one and he had a problem free one before this one that he had on a 30 month lease. Don't know about it's reliability overall but that, the LX and the GX are three great SUV's. My GX lease runs out in 14 months and I'm not sure what I will do next. If the new LX is out I'll take a long look at it. The RR doesn't work for me because I need three rows. I'm hoping Lexus surprises us with the HPX or really updates the GX.
  • I'M MISSING MY VEHICLE HANDBOOK, MY CIGARETTE LIGHTER HAS STOPPED WORKING. I ASSUME THAT IT A FUSE PROBLEM, HOWEVER I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FUSE BOX IS ON THIS CAR.
    1998 XJ8L

    PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP.
  • but a CD changer not being in the right place?

    I was actually thinking of the clunky NAV system, but CD changer not being in the right place doesn't help either.

    Secondly I disagree, power is most definitely what a luxury car is about. It may not be a "trademark" but it is part of the reason people buy luxury cars.

    Nobody thinks Mustangs and Camaroes were luxury cars despite their horsepower advantage over BMW's of comparable price (ha! perhaps within a doubling).
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I was actually thinking of the clunky NAV system, but CD changer not being in the right place doesn't help either.

    Stil doesn't disqualify them as being luxury cars like some here try to imply. Two trivial (very trivial in the case of a CD changer imo) things.

    Nobody thinks Mustangs and Camaroes were luxury cars despite their horsepower advantage over BMW's of comparable price (ha! perhaps within a doubling).

    True, and nobody thinks much of an underpowered "luxury" car nowadays either. Power is just as much a part of luxury as Nav systems and CD changers, moreso than a cd changer imo. I honestly don't understand that constant complaining about such a small thing like where a CD changer is located. The reliability part I can certainly see why one would stay away, but this constant harping about a Nav system and CD changer is just a lot of ruckus about nothing, IMO.

    According to some here German luxury cars don't cut it because of inferior nav system or what they think is an ill-placed CD changer, and by that some token a luxury car (especially of this class) should have some giddyup. People like having power in these cars even if they hardly ever use it, they like knowing it is there just in case.

    It is the intergration of these things and how they do so that makes a luxury car (Along with some other criteria) imo, because all these things can be had on much, much cheaper cars.

    Sidenote: I personally like a 10-12 disc-changer in the trunk and single slot CD player in the dash, but that is just me. Either way you're going to be fumbling with CDs, only more so with 6 of them staring you in the face all the time. Lexus once upon a time had a nice 12-disc changer setup, but then again they didn't have in-dash CD player at that time.

    M
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    "... I am surprised by your catergorization of the 525i as a rip off. Wouldn't say a 525i with sports suspension, variable steering and a stick shift be a great cost-effective way to get the Bimmer experience w/o paying thru the nose? Throw on a set of Zenons and it would be a middle-aged guys dream..."

    Sorry for that characterization, just what I feel, since I still cannot figure out the purpose of the 525i, even with a SP (I do love SP-attired BMW tho', so much fun to drive, really). That anemic engine is best suited for the 3-series, imo. Why recycle this motor in a mid-size, bigger, porkier 5-series, and a mid-$40K tag ? I'd like to see the 255HP 530i as the base, with the 545 (or soon to be 550i) as the top end. Add in the racy M5 and you round out the mid-size entries, IMHO.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    The new Range Rover is also a fantastic SUV...

    Very nice truck. Nice history, great heritage... Resale is the worst in its sector. Atrocious. Reliability is spotty as well. My very good friend, an MD, has one. Traded out of an RX to an LC, and then to a RR. Has regretted the latter decision ever since. Now she rides in a Honda Oddy...

    My mind is really made up... Back to the LX. I don't see the HPX coming out anytime soon, and the GX is too small for us.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The SC400 I tested back in '96 had the Nackamichi 12 disc setup. I liked that better than the glove box mounted unit in LS that I bought. My wife's RX still has the changer in the glove box, which is annoying because my wife is the type of person that fills the glovebox with junk she seems to think needs to be there, and I have to deal with all of that when trying to get the magazine out to put in a CD.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    That simply means you shouldn't be driving the RX, only the Jag and LS. ;)

    M
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Updates to the GX arent coming any time soon. Assuming Toyota\Lexus follows their usual cycle, a freshened GX\4Runner most likely wont be out until '08 at the earliest, with a redesign for '10 or '11.

    The future of the LX\TLC is uncertain. What I think is going to happen is that Toyota will build new full size SUVs (Sequoia\JX?) based on the new Tundra, which will probably eliminate the LX and TLC.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I was talking about sitting in the passenger seat, with the little woman doing the driving. I only ever actually drive the RX when I absolutely have to. Its about as much fun as driving a cardboard box. A wet cardboard box.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Oh ok, gotcha.

    M
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Ha, well the airbag definitely saved his life. The handbag was clearly traveling at lethal velocity.
  • Stil doesn't disqualify them as being luxury cars like some here try to imply.

    I don't think anyone tried to disqualify the S, E, 5 and 7 models with sucky Nav as luxury cars; they are just sucky luxury cars ;-)

    nobody thinks much of an underpowered "luxury" car nowadays either.

    Among the entry-luxury and mid-level perhaps, but not necessarily the high end. One of the latest luxury car making the rounds is a E220 Limo! Not exactly a car with 0-60 credentials. Let's not forget even Princess Diana died in an S280, not an S65AMG. The ultra luxury market is about smooth ride, luxury amenities, and an impeccable experience, not racing red lights with young punks.

    It is the intergration of these things and how they do so that makes a luxury car

    I agree. System integration is where Europeans have been falling behind in the last decade.
  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
    Merc,
    That was a great video. Doesn't the new S500 have some sort of airbag to predict the pedestrian as well? Now doing that video with a new S Class would have been great. The old lady might have gotten something she hadn't bargained for.

    I see we're back to the usual debates...Ugh..Can't we just understand that every marque caters to different character sets? I don't ever see a BMW buyer going near a Lexus...It's just not their type of car, though the IS might be to some extent.

    MB excels on building cars that shout Style..Look at the new CLS..It definitely says, "I'm different!" BMW builds cars for those wanting an involved driving experience. Lexus goes for the buyer who wants a no-hassle experience and comfort.

    I think the big deal about reliability is that Mercedes was known until recently for building bank-vault like cars..Actually, seeing the W126 for the first time is what made me interested in Luxury cars to begin with..I'd been driving Buick's before my friend brought his then brand new 1988 300 SE to my place. The car was and still is absolutely solid.

    One last thing: Driving around in the Corolla, I find that the horn isn't as "Macho" as I'm used to. The Lexus cars I have a much louder and more imtimidating sound. I've never hit the horn on any MB though..Perhaps our next debate? Which Marque has the best horn?

    SV
  • docnukemdocnukem Posts: 485
    Which Marque has the best horn?

    Peterbilt

    Now if that little old lady had heard that, I hate to think what might have happened!
  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    There must be something wrong with that MB. How could a handbag trigger an airbag? I tried this on all my four vehicles and it just doesn't happen.
  • docnukemdocnukem Posts: 485
    Yeah, it's in all the electronics integration of that MB ;)
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    ;) Among the entry-luxury and mid-level perhaps, but not necessarily the high end. One of the latest luxury car making the rounds is a E220 Limo! Not exactly a car with 0-60 credentials. Let's not forget even Princess Diana died in an S280, not an S65AMG. The ultra luxury market is about smooth ride, luxury amenities, and an impeccable experience, not racing red lights with young punks.

    Well there are exceptions to every rule, but still power is just as much a part of a luxury car as anything else mentioned on this board. In Europe anything goes in a luxury car body it seems. In this country, power is a part of the upper luxury car experience. Nobody said anything about racing, you're trying to equate power to the desire of luxury car buyers to race sports cars, didn't say that.

    That said, even I wouldn't want an E220 or 730i, but Europeans uses these cars for long distance crusing at elevated speeds (once the car gets up to speed ;) ). Much more for long distance efficiency than short sprints.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    There must be something wrong with that MB. How could a handbag trigger an airbag? I tried this on all my four vehicles and it just doesn't happen.

    I really hope you aren't serious.

    M
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    If you hook up these, any marquee could have the best horn.

    http://automotive.kosmetichka.ru/act_viewitem/itemtitle_WOLO_3062T_Super_Horns/item_B00029- XGNC/cat_12990461.html

    120db is roughly equivalent to a jet engine, or jackhammer.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Well my list would be a little different since there is only me to worry about.

    1. Styling - if a car is ugly and/or bland I couldn't care any less about it. No boring or ugly cars.

    2. Performance - Quality - Reliability - Comfort are pretty much all equally important after #1 for me....These all get looked at equally after styling/design in my book.


    But when you started to become an MB fan (early 90s?)...did you actually like the styling?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    But when you started to become an MB fan (early 90s?)...did you actually like the styling?

    Picture it, America 1986. Riding along I noticed a rather different looking car on the expressway next to us. It said "300E" on the back of it, with this little star in the center of the trunklid. It was a curious machine. The right side rear view mirror was a different size from the left side rear view mirror it had this single blade windshield wiper and styling completely different from my favorite brand of car at the time (which was American btw). That car turned out to be the brand-new-for-1986 300E, precusor to today's "E-Class". Now prior to this I had seen a rather "large car" with the same symbol and some numbers like "380SEL" on the back of it, but wasn't sure who made it or what it was but it wasn't until I saw the "300E" did I truly start becoming a fan of what was called a "Mercedes-Benz". That E-Class of 1986 went on until 1995 and during that time there was a Coupe (300CE), Wagon (300TE) and two V8 sedans were added (400E, 500E) the latter of which continues to be my favorite Benz of all time to this very day.

    So yes I like the styling, it was different and very upright, but much "cleaner" than my favorite luxury brand at the time. No I won't say what that brand was. ;)

    Of course there are stories about the first time I rode in and drove a Benz later on, but the above is pretty much how I remember the whole thing getting started.

    M
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I've always liked MBs. I actually considered buying a used 190SL in the mid '70s, until I tried a spunky little Healey 3000. The Benz was very nice, but I just wasnt ready for a big GT convertible at that point. Plus (IMO) the Healey was the more attractive car. Compared to the convertibles that came out in the nightmare world of '70s auto design, it was a super model. I still miss that car sometimes. The '60s were definitely the golden age of the convertible.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    It would be nice to have some of those brands back again, but in this day an age I guess we're lucky that Maserati is back, and possibly Alfa-Romeo might come back by 2007. I would love to have an Alfa-Romeo, gorgeous cars imo.

    M
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