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  • A magazine is interested in talking with current and former Audi owners with strong opinions about the brand. If you traded in an Audi to buy another brand's SUV, please indicate that in your response. Please reply to jfallon@edmunds.com no later than Thursday, March 3, 2005 with your daytime contact info and a few words about your decision.

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  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    The key word in his comment to me was the word "one" in reference to "one global competitor". That made it clear to me that he doesn't take Audi seriously since they are a global player and a German company as well. It's actually a very respectful comment to Lexus or Toyota - however you look at it. You can't compete globally with something that doesn't exist yet so in reality he could have been insulting if he wanted to. But he smartly chose not to be that way.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    I find it amazing that people are so amazed at what is a Toyota Celsior with a different badge. It is well-built but beyond boring.

    I wish BMW never made an suv and concentrated on wagons instead.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    In reality the LS car came first and the Celsior was its offspring. You'd prefer a station wagon over an SUV? I'm sure BMW competitors wish they'd make a mistake as big as that one.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    Your point about how to count cars doesn't piss me off at all nor do I think it would bother many. It's simply a ridiculous way of looking at things. You have this strange theory that a car can only count if it has some weird purity that you believe in. The fact that an ES330 is only 25% Camry as sv7887 pointed out so often is something you just don't get. But let's look at the real world. How many Camry's do you think the ES330 canibalizes every yearn or vice versa? You may not even need two hands to count them. You may not even need a finger. You know why, none of its buyers consider it the way you do and its a car that hits its mark perfectly. Now ask how many competitor sales the ES330 is canibalizing because it's cannibalizing 75k of some lux brands cars every year. The fact that A GX470 has a totally different feel, look and lux presence and fabulous ride that makes you think it's a lux car rather than an SUV vs. a 4-runners pure truck feel is lost on you. The fact that the LX470 was raised to a height that made it the ultimate lux SUV and cannibalized Range Rover sales and more than doubled what TLC's normal annual sales in the US had been is also lost on you. The fact that the RX is an original vehicle is somehow lost on you. What is funniest and strangest of all is you also discount a vehicle like the TLC because it had a Toyota badge even though historically it is a legendary, expensive SUV viewed as the best or one of the best SUV's ever made and one that is far removed from Toyota's normal prices to begin with. In your view a business can't take advantage of its' existing assets. That's a nice way of saying let me make as little money as I can. So you can make the argument you do but I think other than some diehard German car fans you won't find many people who think as you do. That's why it won't bother anyone. Success has a way of easily disproving that these type of thoughts are nothing but someone's fancy.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    “I wish BMW never made an suv and concentrated on wagons instead.”

    I couldn’t agree more. The problem is that SUVs and Mini are responsible for their recent success. Cayenne now accounts for more than half of Porsche’s sales. If the world wants pigs, you sell pigs and count your money.

    “You'd prefer a station wagon over an SUV?”

    Absolutely. A sport wagon with a convertible rear hardtop. Covers many bases.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    “You'd prefer a station wagon over an SUV?”

    But the market wants SUV's.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Sometimes I wish gas prices would double. That would put an end to this SUV nonsense.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    Not with hybrids on the horizon. It's here to stay.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    That is the most deperate spin I have ever read. You mean to tell me that when Lexus does this 125K sports car and a 100K hybrid version of the next LS it won't be a luxury car because they won't sell in large numbers?

    Spin ? Me, concort spin ? Hehehehe :):):)

    Why drag up long lost posts..... Among all the posts here, I have lost touch where we were, what we were discussing, and why ???? BUT, I have found something: That DENALIINPA is absolutely infatuated with this forum as his opium. As a long-term poster here, my suggestion for him is to take a break and slow down.... Not everything needs a response....
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    "Not with hybrids on the horizon. It's here to stay."

    Could be. But I'm not so sure about it. I have a feeling hybrid prices are not going to come down to price levels of conventional cars, even with volume production. There’s too much going on with them mechanically and electronically. Did computers ever come down to the price levels of typewriters? The comparison is extreme, but similar nonetheless.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Sometimes I wish gas prices would double. That would put an end to this SUV nonsense.

    No matter what, SUV is here to stay in my house. Its not that I want one, but the significant other MUST have one. I blame GM and Ford for creating this monster.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    "I blame GM and Ford for creating this monster."

    Not me, I blame the significant others. I recently counted 19 SUVs in succession at a stoplight in my town... all driven by significant others.

    (I think we are going to be blessed with a visit by Pat pretty soon ;-)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Ya, I'm here ... :-)

    GM and Ford don't really belong here - some of you need to check the topic and get with the program, yes?

    Someone said "Not everything needs a response" ... I could NOT agree more. Maybe we could try to ignore the posts that are way off base for whatever reason and keep our own posts topical?

    And if anyone has a serious problem with something out of line that has been posted, how about just dropping me an email and letting me handle it instead of posting a response. Dealing with that sort of thing is my job ... not anyone else's ...
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    That was downright impressive. I like your choice of the word blessed to. Hope Pat appreciated it.

    I almost forgot your marketing question. I can tell you that Lexus is going to make a real big deal about the new models and worldwide branding in 2007. This will be equal to or greater than the pre 1990 pre-launch and continuation after launch marketing and brand awareness push. Some of this I know firsthand because the marketing information business is how I make a living. Though they say they want to go after BMW that is only to raise awareness in the younger crowd for the new IS and GS. It's MB that remains in their crosshairs. BMW - no need to change anything - always a great local market advertiser with a lot of sponshorship events and dealer tie-ins. MB - no clue - they are going into cost-cutting mode.
  • Merc

    It would be nice if you would provide a post number ...I don't recall anyone saying the A8 was less safe then the LS...Saying this over and over again does not make it so...But I am Old and have a Sometimes faulty Memory..so I ASK YOU to PLEASE back up your claim.

    If You cannot Provide the POST NUMBER...PLEASE STOP MAKING THAT STATEMENT WHICH I DO NOT BELIEVE TO BE TRUE ...THANKS.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    All of these cars are leaders in safety and as a result are among the safest cars on the road. But if any of them gets rammed by a large SUV it won't matter what they are made of. The real issue to me is why did Audi move to aluminum in the first place. Was it purely for weight and fuel economy or were they trying to create a point of differentiation. Whatever it was - it didn't do anything for them and probably scared buyers away.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Click here to get to what oac wants you to see.

    Sorry about the link problem ... :(
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Thanks, Pat. I tried many times and finally decided to post the entire text with the link provided.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    Too bad he didn't ask him about his stolen car.

    When you see profit maximaztion instead of cost cutting you know the guy is still in shock/denial and can't handle the reality he's facing. Last time I heard that type of talk was when Al the butcher/hatchet man was hired for another turn around and failed to the point that he falsified revenue in the pre-Enron fiasco days. It also reminds me of pre-owned vs. used labelling. I do agree with him that sending a few top lieutenants to help Chrysler didn't have any effect on MB. In a manufacturing business that big the system is what is crucial not two managers. But that's also why I think MB's problems are so big. There is something wrong with the system and a guy was fired for saying so. Meanwhile a cost cutter is brought in for the fix. Draw your own conclusions on that one.

    The other thing is he mentions is this:

    "with the aim of repositioning Mercedes as the No.1."

    So he admits MB has lost its throne? That is very interesting because it may have been an accidental slip of what the real mindset in the company is given everything else he said was a lot of BS trying to cover such a thought up.
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