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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    autos made in Thailand and India are better than those from Germany. I can't wait to buy those vehicles.

    As I said, I bought those Euro marques to show off.

    All I can say is . . . enjoy your new vehicle from INDIA that you say will be better than a German car.
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    I'm speechless, and can only imagine how merc1 would reply to those comments.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Are we having a respectful discussion of the marques and the cars that belong in this genre or not??

    Lately it seems "or not" is the answer ... and some of you should beware of the trolls ...
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Nothing at all to do with status.
    I don't consider myself a 545 type of guy.
    However, the 545 was being offered at only 2.4% Interest on a 3 year lease.
    A 2006 330i was being offered for only about $50 a month less.
    The 545 I got can be had for about 60k. The 330i I would want would go for about 43k.
    I jumped at the opportunity.
    I drove two 3 series for 12 years, It is my favorite car by far.
    But I am looking forward to driving the new LS next fall.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,675
    hpowders - you don't need to explain that deal to anyone. Great move, great value.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    "But I am looking forward to driving the new LS next fall."

    DOH :surprise:

    Hmmm...Powders...that's only about 9 months away....Like waiting for a new Baby to arrive. Kewl tho'....I just didn't expect to hear this news considering how much you have enjoyed driving your BMW 5 series. I still haven't seen the spy photos of the LS but would appreciate seeing it.
    (I am about fully recovered from the Tennis smash. :sick: As soon as the mesh imprint leaves my backside everything will be back to normal. :P )
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thanks Ljflx.
    Nothing pretentious about it.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I will drive the new LS.
    I am very curious to find out whether Lexus improves the driveability of their flagship.
    They missed with the new GS.
    It's a big moment for Lexus and I will check it out for myself.

    Who knows? Maybe in a few winters, I may have a "December To Remember."
    I favor BMW but I am certainly not rigid about it.
    They certainly aren't sending me any holiday bonus check!
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Misunderstood you... :blush:

    OK...you did say drive...not buy. Correctamundo.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Even CR listed the new GS as one of their "most disappointing" new models in the '06 new car issue... along with the 530i. Among the "most improved" was the Infiniti M.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes. The new LS is at the top of my must drive list next fall.
    I would be delighted to be pleasantly surprised.
    We'll just have to wait and see.

    Looking forward to Merc1's LS style report in January when he visits Detroit.
    If he gives it grudging, lukewarm approval, that can be considered a coup by Lexus.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Getting back to the LS for a moment...are there any GOOD spy photos available yet?
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes. Infiniti did a miraculous job with the new M.
    They turned a dull car into one with panache.
    It should have been voted car of the year.
    C & D really should explain why it wasn't.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well the good news is it's only 26 days until the initial unveiling.
    And then we will have photos and analysis galore!

    Ya gotta love it!
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Yes I see what you mean...Merc will be tough.
    Bottom line tho' you have to get the whole scoop from L-Guy.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Well, if you're after "driveability" and a BMW fan and were disappointed with the GS, I don't see how an 07 LS is going to be sporty enough for you. I just don't see Lexus making a standard LS more sporty than a standard GS.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    But if Merc1 even slightly likes it, that will be huge news in this cyber neighborhood.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I realize that. I don't expect BMW driveability.
    I had issues with the current LS: the steering had too much power assist, the body lean was pronounced and I wasn't too wild about the driver's seat.
    I want to see if Lexus made any improvements in these areas.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    When do the major car magazines get to review the new LS and publish their "first impressions" and then their "first drive"?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Its going to be into next year before that happens. I think the new LS is supposed to have some sort of "ABC" like system, so even if its not the sportiest car in the world (which it wont be) body control should be greatly improved over the current car.
  • Fantastic deal. And you're right. Nothing to do with status. Just fun.

    Wonder why the 545 was only $50 more a month? Did you compare exactly comparable deals? People spend more than $50 a WEEK on Starbucks. Congrats.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    It will be interesting to hear from Merc1 as to whether he was able to view the new LS's interior. I doubt if he will

    Looking forward to Merc1's LS style report in January when he visits Detroit. If he gives it grudging, lukewarm approval, that can be considered a coup by Lexus.

    But if Merc1 even slightly likes it, that will be huge news in this cyber neighborhood.

    I didn't realise your hero worship of Merc1 goes this far ? His report from an auto show is just his slant on what he finds there. I'd rather read from Lexusguy, who is far more objective and open-minded than Merc1 is. In the real world, Merc1's likes/dislikes would be zilch to anyone wanting to buy/lease a 2007 LS460.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    pick your fruit. . .er . . . or appliance.

    CLS is quite good, IMO, but I'll admit that I've posted on other forums (not Edmunds) that the tail is the problem I have with it. Still, it's a winner, but not my favorite.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well at the time the 2006 330i was new and hot with an appropriately high money factor which jacked up the monthly payment to around $625 a month.
    The 545 available at the same time came to $674 a month.
    I lucked out because they had to get rid of the 2005 545's to make room for the 2006 550's at the exact time my last 325 lease was up. Comparably equipped to my 545, the 550 is now going for about $859 a month.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I on the other hand respect both Merc1 and Lexusguy and eagerly await both of their takes on the new LS.
    I welcome anyone else's opinion and/or photos.
    The more takes, the merrier.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I'm speechless, and can only imagine how merc1 would reply to those comments.

    See Pat's post right after yours!

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Even CR listed the new GS as one of their "most disappointing" new models in the '06 new car issue... along with the 530i. Among the "most improved" was the Infiniti M.

    Holy fuel-injectors! I can't believe CR said that about the GS and it is even more shocking that they fell out of low with the 530i, previously one of their favorites. Let me guess with the BMW, it was Idrive and active steering that led to this?

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    His report from an auto show is just his slant on what he finds there. I'd rather read from Lexusguy, who is far more objective and open-minded than Merc1 is.

    You're kidding and I thought that all a person could give is their "slant" on what they saw at an autoshow. You really need to go back to Jan of this year and see what I said about the Detroit autoshow, hardly anything like one of de-bunking posts written when addressing a post of yours.

    In the real world, Merc1's likes/dislikes would be zilch to anyone wanting to buy/lease a 2007 LS460.

    Likewise all the bogus hype you post about German cars isn't gonna mean squat to anyone wanting to buy a Mercedes, BMW or Audi.

    Please don't tell me anything about being objective when you live to post anything negative about Mercedes, usually accompanied with incorrect numbers, big assumptions and other inconsistencies.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I on the other hand respect both Merc1 and Lexusguy and eagerly await both of their takes on the new LS.

    Thanks. Here is what I posted about the 2005 Detroit show:
    Post 1
    Post 2

    Oac at the time said:

    Thanks for a well-written auto show report. Can you comment more on the new S style-wise ? Did you see the LF-S in the Lexus stand ? Any whisper on the LF-X ? I know you probably don't care for anything Lexus, but maybe you did hear something. Source

    Sounds like to me something has gone awry in the last few days or weeks, must be the last debate that changed his feelings about my annual autoshow report. :P

    M
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Actually, Active Steering was not mentioned. They complained that overall interior quality is down compared to the old car, and of course, iDrive. Frankly, I have to wonder if they really prefered the controls for the old NAV system. That thing was hardly a joy to use.

    As for the GS, it was the usual complaints about handling, numb steering, and a cramped interior. Or as Edmunds (and no one else) would say, "Japan's best sports sedan".
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well you know how Edmunds says one thing and does another. Edmunds having picked the GS over the M shows that they were looking at mainly luxury, not sport.

    M
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