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  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    > ON the style front, I think Chrysler is doing a excellent job and it's showing in
    > higher sales figures and lower incentives. The 300C looks good, the Magnum
    > looks really good, and the Charger is gorgeous!

    Chrysler has always been good at exterior design: Prawler, etc., dating back more than a decade. Before that, Chrysler was even a bona fide luxury brand. The real question is what's the 300C and Charger's staying power. Will they follow in the steps of the VW New Beatle, Ford Thunderbird and Chrysler's own PTCruiser, hot for a while then dive-bombing sales as the fad fades away and people come to the realization that the stylistic flares have significant trade-offs in the user-friendliness department (although I'm not sure that explains why PTCruiser stopped flying off the lot). I for one would not feel safe driving with those port-hole windows on the 300C.
  • stroudmanstroudman Posts: 192
    "I saw stroudman had to take a shot at us though-unfortunately. I thought he was better than that."

    Confirms my suspicions that this is a group effort. I felt like every post was a "shot." Not that I take any of it personally, but rather than discuss luxury cars in general, I became frustrated with the topic always being so polarized - lexus, lexus, lexus, versus MB, MB, MB. If that's not what you want to talk about, then read along, but don't bother posting, seems to be the format. The fact that another thread was started to discuss "European" luxury cars was just another way of saying 'can we please quit warring over the two most disputed luxury brands, and just talk about the topic in general.' I mean, if you are so sold on Japanese luxury cars, for example, why is acura or infiniti rarely if ever mentioned? If you're trying to convince me that lexus is a reliable, sensible brand that makes the most logical sense...you're preaching to the choir. This is such a pragmatic view, it's just like arguing politics. Just because YOU make your decision to buy a car on those criteria, and sell it as hard as you like, you are not a spokesperson for the luxury sect any more than I am as an MB salesman! Everyone spends their money on what they like, and thank God we don't all like the same things or we'd really be a bunch of bores. Again, I posted out of frustration, and felt like I had to speak my mind. And HOST, I know you'll probably strike this post, and if you do, I'll understand, but I meant no offense to any of my "rivals," and I don't think I was out of line. I enjoy participating in this forum, and learning from all who post...you are all probably older and wiser than I, and what is posted here will either confirm what I already know, or teach me something new, so either way, I can't loose.
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    Did you all see these pics of the '07 MB S with the wraps off? I am so sorry to see those fender flares appear to be actually part of the final design. And the rear-- did Bangle take over design for all German manufacturers? Why do I feel as if they took the current car, which is poetry in motion, and overlaid the worst features of a CTS on it?

    I was really hoping that MB would have solved their reliability issues by the time my current '05 LS will be due for replacement, and I could go back to buying an MB. But now I am going to have to look at other options-- or just keep my LS until the the next next-generation S comes out. Thank goodness I realistically have that long-term hold option with an LS.

    2007 S Class
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You stated that Mercedes' quality was going backwards. All I did was point out that statement isn't correct. I didn't "bash" the survey at all and again I've never disputed what they found. I stated that if you're going to mention MB and survey in the same post you should at least do so accurately. Who said anything about Mercedes trying to "beat GM's quality"?

    Unlike you, I am offering ideas of how MB can turn things around, you OTOH, are content to bash JDP and anyone who subscribes to their work as hog wash... Its your choice, don't shoot the messenger (me), address the message (JDP).

    I haven't seen any such thing in a post from you. All you offered was a incorrect spin on the results. BTW, I think we've had this conversation before about what I have done as far as ideas on what MB can do. Did you forget that? We had a very good conversation (no debating) about this a while ago.

    I didn't shoot the messenger, only the bogus information.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    That picture is no where near being the real thing. Not by a long shot. The picture is one of the worst computer generated images I've seen of the S-Class.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Got tix on Fandango for midday Friday. If you want to fly to NJ, I'll treat you. Heck, you can drive the GX470 or LS430 too - Your choice.

    An offer I can't refuse..... :D :D :D Hmmm the GS or the LS? I'll take the LS I guess seeing as though SUVs aren't my thing. They had a spot on the local news here today in which people were going to the movies instead of work. You should have seen it people covering their faces and trying work from laptops in the movie theater lobbies all over. Too funny.

    M
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    A Maybach-like rear is correct as Edmunds described it. Without seeing it from the frontal view, its difficult to tell much about the exterior styling. From the side pic, the new S just doesn't add any interesting xter beynod the fender flares, IMO. I cannot imagine doing away with the current style, since it was such a beautiful design, graceful and luxurious.

    By the same token, recent MB releases leave a less than impressive feeling. Take the new CLS, the butt is worse than the Bangled 7-series (see for yourself in the link below):

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    and the interior....

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    I don't know about you, but I am not impressed. This is not a good styling direction, imo. Maybe they need an L-Finesse approach and do a complete overhaul. Maybach-like styling ain't an improvement.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Thank goodness the marketplace doesn't share your opinion, neither does anyone in the press from what I've seen. The CLS is a hit inside and out. A L-Finesse approach would be the worst mistake Mercedes could ever make. Styling isn't their problem by a long shot. Good styling doesn't need a name either. All this L-Finesse, Art & Science and Flame Surfacing stuff wouldn't be needed if these companies either stuck to their previous styling cues and/or if they had any to begin with.

    Most people know good styling when you they it, no goofy names or labels are needed.

    M
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    "That picture is no where near being the real thing. Not by a long shot. The picture is one of the worst computer generated images I've seen of the S-Class."

    Have you not seen the pics of a cladded and taped up 2007 S-class on the net?? Those pics are unaltered and you can easily see the major details of the car, like the thick rimmed wheel well trim, and the maybach like rear end. Totally unattractive, especially compared to the current S-class, which is simple perfection in design.
  • Merc:

    I can only give my opinion as a part of the Market Place...but...That interior design is hidious..and IMO...the color is even worse.

    I know that even ugly puppies (if there is such a thing) are loved by someone.
  • Merc:

    I have to agree with you...Toyota has fallen....for it's low and mid priced cars to be rated a full point below Mercedes is a crime....They need to get their toyota act together.
  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    The rear end of MB CLS looks like a Buick, sme for the inside.
  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    Is Toyota now considered a high end luxury brand by those german car fans?
  • It would seem so since they keep bringing it up...The Avalon is very nice if you haven't seen one in real life....It is about $38,000 loaded up.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    Sith was excellent and a MUST SEE. Of course we had to watch Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back as a follow thru. I forgot how good the latter was.
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    Of course you're really talking about Ronin, Tucker and Back to the Future. :P
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yes I have seen the pics, I'm the one that posted the real pics on the future models board. The original poster asked we'd see that pics like it was the real car caught out in the open and it is obvious that the pic Edmunds is showing is a poorly drafted computer image, not the real car.

    Like I said before I'll wait until the official car is shown before I come to any conclusion on the design because that Edmunds pic is lump sided and even if the car does have those fender flares the rest of the body isn't going to be twisted and jumbled like that pic.

    M
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_06_Mercedes_S-Class.S178.A- 8282.html

    Better pics above of a lightly camoflouged S-class. Clearly visible are the maybach-BMW 7 like rear end and thick rim around the wheel wells.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah those are some of the same pics that I posted Here a while ago.

    M
  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    I have a question. Today I went to my MB dealer and offered a deposit for a spot for the new S-Class and was told they wouldn't accept it. I thought the new S class was going to be available in fall 2005 or early Feb 2006. They told me that MBUSA told them it might be delayed until Sept. 2006 for intro in the USA as a 2007 model and they've stopped accepting deposits until they are told a 'for sure' date. Anyone have any info on this and is this correct information?

    Thanks,
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