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High End Luxury Cars

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The new 7 series is destined to be a classic. Other than the 5 people participating in this discussion; the people who 1) either bought the cars or 2) can look at cars are liking the designs.

    Sorry, but I'd have to seriously doubt that. The current 7-Series will be remembered, but not as a "classic" imo. If the styling was truly good looking there would be no need for buyers to defend it so much, it would speak for itself. It kinda goes back to that theory I mentioned a few posts ago. I think a lot of BMW loyalist have simply convinced themselves the 7-Series is a good looking car because I don't see how anyone could have been taken with it at first glance. The 7 does have a huge road presence in that BMW aggressive way, but it just isn't a good looking car to my eye. This from a person who loved BMW's styling with very few exceptions up until the last few years.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    What kind of "friend" are you, letting a buddy buy a Lexus instead of MB?

    A good one. I should have gave more detail I guess. A friend of mine, his mother bought a ES330. She's been buying ES' since 1992.

    M
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Problem is that if you have to mention such cars to make a case for the LS400 that means the LS400 is stylistically challenged....

    That is something we can say about many cars out there today. Style, of course, is in the eye of the beholder. The E and S-class styles are easy on the eye, and not that polarizing. OTOH, the Bimmer is very polarizing and not that easy on the eye. The LS is quite easy on the eye, may not be the most stylistic one of the lux class, but a pleasant-looking car all the same. I'll wager that the next LS will look a whole lot better than the next S-class.

    When I look at the new A8, all I see is the grille.... That's not good since the car has so many distinguishing things, especially the interior, but that grill is something else. Not very endearing, imo... Last, but by no means the least is the Jag which is a nice looking, pleasant car in that old British way. I saw the new XK at an auto show earlier this year and it was a beauty if they ever build it *as is*.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I'll wager that the next LS will look a whole lot better than the next S-class.

    Well if that happens it will be a first. We'll see.

    Nothing wrong with a pleasant looking car, but in this class I'd like a little more than that, some actual style would be nice. Sure a whole lot of cars that aren't relevant to this board aren't stunners, but to my eye there are plenty of good looking cars out there. So I'm not sure I buy that in as much as it being an excuse. Here though there are only two that don't make the style/design cut, of course as you say all in the eye of the beholder or IMO.

    M
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Merc1:

    Like I wrote in the Futures Board (see below), the scoop pic/sketch of the 2007LS 600h is sweet. Much much better looking than even the current S-class, IMO.

    oac, "2007 Lexus LS" #232, 7 Jun 2005 7:34 am

    Well if that happens it will be a first. We'll see...

    You may not have too long to eat your words.....
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well like I said we'll see. BTW, I didn't say it was impossible for such a thing to happen (no words to eat). Just highly unlikely. Something tells me though that you'll find the new LS good looking no matter what because Lexus says they have a new design direction, which with the the GS is anything but.

    M
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    OAC - Motor Trend did a comparo this month with the Buick Lacrosse, Chrysler 300 touring, Ford 500 Ltd, Kia Amati, Nissan Maxima SE and the Toyota Avalon touring. Believe it or not the Avalon won by a decent margin. But the keys I took from the article was a six second flat 0-60 time for the Avalon from a V6 and the Avalon doing spectacular on the skidpad. Now a 0-60 time like that from a V6 Avalon tells you where they will go with the next LS, particularly that powerful hybrid. The skidpad tells you where a really sport LS GT (not this half hearted Euro suspension, which is damm good in the first place) will end up. The latter may offset the great ride too much so I'd see it as a limited edition car. But one thing for sure, Lexus has already done a lot of damage with a single edition car and now it is really going to turn up the heat with this 2007 car and its variant editions.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Actually it was Car and Driver.

    Why is it a surprise that the Avalon won? Without having to look at it, the stats themselves add up to a winner in the family sedan category.

    M
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    My wife and I looked at the new Avalon and while we don't agree on much we agree on this. Would we be considering a car in the price range of the new Avalon, we would up the ante a few nickels and get the new E90 330. And, we already have a Toyota in the family.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Kd: I am shocked that you would rather buy a 330i over the Avalon ! :blush: These two cars are not even close to being comparable. But I grant you the fact that the 330i is a darn fine car, just too spartan (interior and exterior) for my liking. But no denying its handling and driving prowess....The car to beat in its class, no doubt, so I won't begrudge a Bimmer fanatic like you prefering it to a Toy family sedan.

    BUT, can you imagine a 5AT V6 280HP family sedan from Toyota, an Avalon no less, doing a flat 6s 0-60mph ? That is simply outstanding ! Which leads me to think that the smaller, hopefully lighter IS350/6AT with 30 more ponies, and an extra cog on the tranny, should do close to 5s 0-60 flat ? I'd surely hope so, otherwise Lexus is playing some voodoo with this 2GR engine, or with the steel on the IS350.... or both...
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Probably should have checked my voice mail earlier. Just found out my wife crashed my dear LS400 against an F350 4x2 CC yesterday. And she was at-fault. Oh my ! At least she is fine, but my poor LS now needs a lot more than a stolen turn signal. The entire front bumper needs to be replaced. Add in the cost of fixing the other guy's truck ($900 estimate from body shop), and I am just not a happy camper at all.

    Why do our wives prefer their spouse's car rather than theirs ???? I mean, she had two other cars besides mine, but she'd rather drive my LS. I am bummed... Two years ago or so, she rammed the door of our little Matrix against the post in the garage. Cost the insurance $2000 to fix ($500 deductible lighter in my pocket). If this continues, I don't see how I'll ever buy another LS cos I have no chance to ever drive it...

    What string of bad luck for my LS since Memorial day !!
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    The rags dump on the clutches and transmissions to get the low times. With one exception, supercharged Mustang, most normal folk would not want to launch cars they way the mags do. The only exception other than the Mustang, are the Subies, who people say can take full clutch dumps all day long.

    So yes 6 seconds is great, but not something I would want to try with mine. But it's good for a measure to see how it could do getting the heck beat out of it.

    edit - just saw your other post, sorry to read about the mishap. Hopefully only the sheetmetal was damaged.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    "The rags dump on the clutches and transmissions to get the low times."

    The Avalon is a automatic. You can't exactly dump a clutch on a automatic.
    The Avalon was brake torqued, which is no where near as stressful on a car.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    True. All you do is run the torque converter and stress the tranny. But other than that, there's no stress on the car. :surprise:
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    "Toyota Motor Corp. plans to raise the prices on most of its models in the United States to help its struggling rivals in Detroit and to prevent trade friction from erupting, company sources said. The price hikes of 2 percent to 3 percent will likely start in October, they said."

    full article
    http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200506100224.html
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Toyota probably needs to increase prices with the recent recall of 700,000 vehicles. Ouch.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    Somehow I think their excuse is purely a cover-up for the weak dollar. 700K vehicles - eh - maybe it puts a tiny dent of $50mil or so of their $14bil after tax profit machine. But thean again their whole financial outlook is tied to an exch rate of 105 and the real rate is higher.
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