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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    What exactly about the trunk don't you like? The Maybach look??

    On the new S - as you look at the rear quarter panel, the trunk seems to sit raised up as a platform that reveals a seam that is narrower as well and above the rear quarter panels on both sides. It is at these left and right locations that the trunk does not integrate properly for my eye . . . especially on that silver car.

    I have only seen the Maybach in photos and I have not had the privilege of seeing one in person. From all the many pics I have seen, I like it very much. The trunk does not bother me.

    Maybe the best color for the new S is black.

    TagMan
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I wonder if the V12 version of the Quattroporte is still on for next year? I hate that the technical alliance between Maser and Audi fell apart because Audi's DSG tranny would have been a brilliant stroke in a car like the Quattroporte.

    Oh its the DB9 that does it for me, there isn't a better looking car in production or on the road IMO. The V8 Vantage is a looker too, but its more a of smaller copy of the original IMO. It doesn't look quite a good to me.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I guess I've never really noticed what you're talking about on the new S, it was always the wheel arches that bothered me until I started seeing them on the road and in different colors other than silver. The wheel arches seem to be a perfect match for the AMG package though. I posted some pics in a earlier thread of the S with and without the AMG pack.

    M
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Now the convertible I haven't seen in person so I'll reserve judgement. Convertibles have been known to look better than their hardtop counterparts.

    Yes, they often do. Somehow though I'm not going to hold my breath that you're going to like the GTC.

    Interestingly, I don't see the Jag R concept linkage that lexusguy sees. Actually, I haven't been a big fan of that R concept. I do like the current XK, however, although I'll concede that the "snout", as you call it, is a tad compromised. I learned that it was somehow due to some sort of safety compliance thing in Europe that requires a car's front to buckle in the event of hitting a pedestrian. Sounds bizarre to me.

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Dont know about the V-12. Most of the news about the car getting the 575M's motor is a year old, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yes, they often do. Somehow though I'm not going to hold my breath that you're going to like the GTC.

    No I wouldn't suggest that...lol!

    Yes the new Euro pedestrian laws are going to make designing beautiful cars that much harder. The next generation Mercedes CLK and SL will have to comply so I cringe to think what they'll look like. The new CL will give some indication as to how Mercedes will deal with the new regs. Porsche got lucky here since they don't currently make any front-engined cars. The mandate is that there be a certain amount of space between the hood and the uppermost hard point of the engine. This is one reason why Mercedes is getting rid of supercharged engines, that supercharger sits right at the top of the engine. Though they do a hell of a job with the front end of the new S-Class, but you can still see the thickness of the hood in the styling. Same thing on the new Lexus LS and Volvo S80 both have really thick looking hoods.

    M
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The wheel arches seem to be a perfect match for the AMG package though. I posted some pics in a earlier thread of the S with and without the AMG pack

    I remember those pics. The AMG S looked impressive indeed.

    Next time you see the S, take a good look at the trunk from the rear diagonal view. Don't just look at it from a standing height, but look at it from another driver's height. It may or may not bother you, but I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

    TagMan
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Next time you see the S, take a good look at the trunk from the rear diagonal view. Don't just look at it from a standing height, but look at it from another driver's height. It may or may not bother you, but I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

    Ok, I'll try that.

    Here is a video on topic about the cars we were talking about a few post back.

    M
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thanks for the good wishes, Tagman.

    You know, $109k for the Q isn't really outrageous when compared to new S-Class and LS offerings and it would definitely be unique to the neighborhood but alas, also to parking attendants and rolling shopping carts.

    I too would love to drive that baby.
    Those front seats look fabulous!
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Aren't many new cars already designed in accordance with the regs? In addition to the distance between hood and engine the shape of the bumper and grille is also regulated. The idea is to flip the passenger onto a cushioned hood without the bumper breaking legs. It's an interesting concept and they could take it to the nth degree if so desired which would virtually neuter styling considerations. I also think the hood height reg is what caused beltines to rise resulting in all of the slab sides we now see.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,927
    Nice video. Did my eyes deceive me or was the top time turned in by a Honda Civic Type R? Is this a front wheel drive car?

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    Bose, whew where to start?
    I'll start with the old Maxima system. Not good. There were little IF ANY upgrade speaker options, and if you blew one you had to get a matched speaker for the headset due to the amps in the speakers. They would look the same but not play. They MUST be matched to headset.
    Then: Jump to the more recent systems. They have power and a sub ported into the cabin. Better but not precise. Upgrade to Bose is better but not best. I think MB was looking for a "Name" to replace Becker (pronounced "blech"er).
    Now: I have the HK upgrade in the R and CLK. Much better. I record live music as a hobby. The reproduction is very good. The CLK is better than the R. It seems to be more than interior room that makes a difference. This system is warm and precise. It would seem that the tuning to interior dimensions is on the spot. With the sterile mixing today and the push toward a "perfect" recording the systems do tell their weaknesses easily. Although the music is "mechanical" but a different forum.... I need to put that old test record with the trains running into each other and the dog wetting the carpet between your speakers on CD. If you are over 50 you MAY know the one.
    I would like to compare other systems than Nach vs MK vs Bose. The home Mark L. speakers are just top notch but is it the "name" game again? Yall tell me. I know they won't compair to a 6ft electrostatic speaker but are they any good COMPAIRED to others?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Yeah the Civic Type R is front wheel drive and very very light. I am not sure how much the UK version weighs but probably around 2,500 lbs and over 200 hp.
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    are you sure it said Honda? maybe Zonda
    1.Ferrari Enzo
    2.Ariel Atom
    3.Carrera GT
    4.Mem????
    5.Ford GT40
    6.Ferrari 360
    7.GT3 RS
    8.Aur???
    9.Zonda
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    That's interesting to know as I read in Autocar that the new AMG's will have the 7-G. But I also wondered if the current cars couldn't cope with 738lb-ft of torque, then surely the new cars, which are astonishingly more powerful, can't.

    The 5-speed that was equipped in my S65 was a model of discipline and smooth shifts. But I've tested the 7-g in both a E500 and the new S550, and it is buttery smooth.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Also, considering that Maserati essentially hand builds only about 15 Qs a day, its price doesnt seem bad at all. Until you see the depreciation numbers anyway...
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    The 7 Speed can't. 5 speed only in the big AMG's now. We even had issues with the first 210 chassis E55 busting motor mounts.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Ah I see what it was. It was at the top of the list for that grouping but not really the top. They had it listed as number 14.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Very interesting video, the Jag seemed clumsy and completey out of its element. The Sport GT Quattroporte would be a much fairer fight vs the CLS.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    We even had issues with the first 210 chassis E55 busting motor mounts.

    Wow. Do you know who took the blame for that? Engineering or a manufacturing flaw? Not good.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Here is a video on topic about the cars we were talking about a few post back.

    Thanks. You somehow always find the right content when needed. Do you post on that site?

    Quite a testimonial. Can't argue with all that footage. Once again, your CLS AMG is quite a car for a four door. I love the Jags, but I'm shaking my head just a bit about how sloppy the XJR really looked in that video when pushed to the limit. Anything even approaching normal driving conditions, of course, and the XJR is still a terrific car that offers the driver a lot of excitement and style, but I'm not making any excuses for it, believe me.

    BTW, what's the word on the next CLK (yes, K, no typo) AMG that will be released?

    TagMan
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    Wow. Do you know who took the blame for that? Engineering or a manufacturing flaw? Not good.
    I blame Frans at AMG for building a torque monster of an engine ;).
    The CLK55 with 362HP is all I know so far.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    The ultimate luxury performance sedan is the Quattroporte, no question about it.

    Second that...

    But I agree, the new S550, new S8, S65 and its AMG high-end siblings fit the bill to a point. Maybe the LS600h will, but no one can tell for now.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    All I know is that with a THX certified 10 speaker audio system in the 2 seater Z4, you've gotta come away hearing-impaired after 3-4 years! ;)
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    But a jackhammer would do the same thing. hehehehehe ;)
  • I am not sure if there are any old world aristocrats left.

    Aristo= best, crata= rule. So, "rule by the best"

    The aristocrats these days are neither the best of the society nor do they wear crowns anymore.

    The old arnage always had that old charm, retired play boyishness with prostate cancer and high cholesterol with a generous helping of hemophilia. These days its a global society. Besides people are more passionate and less traditional.

    The world is moving at the speed and agility of a ferrari and I am not sure if hippos will catch on with dynamic, go-getter smart young people after 2010.

    But who knows, america always had a passionate longing for fat. In europe these relics sell in far fewer numbers. Europeans like to stay healthy. In Asia anything "white" is worshipped and the rush towards hippos is unprecedented.
    Aren't we lucky? Dirty sheiks buy our gas-guzzling bentleys and we buy their oil. Its a win-win. ;)

    I love lithesome and perky beauties hence the love for ferrari, porsche and mustang.
  • Bose is still the best surround sound system. of course you cannot compare a bose in nissan to a bose in porsche.

    The sound systems are individually tuned according to the level of refinement required by the manufacturer and the money they want to shell out for such a system.

    A bose in porsche would tend to be much more refined than a bose in nissan. Got it?

    I have visited the Bose mountain in Massachusetts and they sure have the most cutting edge technology. It could be the case that for a given price they can only provide so much but not more.

    If you want the best of bose, go for an expensive car with bose sound.
  • After visiting the NY auto show and test driving some of these beauties I can say the cars that offer performance and luxury to the highest degree are very few, among them

    1. Quattroporte
    2. Audi A8

    are the only sedans that make the grade.

    Among sports cars it is:

    1. Ferrari (All of them)
    2. Porsche cayman S

    are the ones that make the grade.

    Rest is just second class and doesnt make the cut. Others may have different standards.
    probably my most snobbish post. :P
  • Relax Tagman the rear of S will grow on you. My friend told me the other day, his wife was lovely in the beginning but then her fanny enlarged quite a bit over years, but he "grew" to like her more than ever.

    If you want lithesome yet well endowed beauty go for the quattroporte and close your eyes quickly (not on the freeway though) when you see the benz. ;)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I'd rather go for the Lexus ML system or the new BMW THX certified Carver 10 speaker system in the Z4 even though with the latter, I'm sure my ears would be chronically ringing after only a few months!
    I hope this new BMW system will be offered soon as an option for the 3 and 5 series.
    It may get me back to listening to car audio again-something I gave up a long time ago.
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