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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah I like that one too. It is really a sporting drive. You need a Cayenne Turbo to outdo it.

    M
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    I’ll never understand the Cayenne Turbo. However, I take it is an indication of the sass and swagger they will inject into the Panamera. Merc and Lexusguy, have you seen the photorealistic illustration of Porsche’s Panamera sketch that appeared in Automobile magazine? It looks like a photo, and they were true to the sketch down to the nth detail. By the time it makes production I expect it to morph into a pragmatic trade-off of styling and engineering, but if the final version looks anything like the sketch it will have a serious attitude.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yes I have seen that picture. I was expecting to see it in concept form at the Frankfurt auto show, but they didn't show anything on it. I can't wait to see the real thing, but we have some time yet to go (2009). I don't think Porsche is going to waste a chance to shake up the sedan market, it should be a stunner.

    M
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
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    It won’t be so low to the ground and I hope it has a little less curvature. The final version will bear a resemblance to this but I expect it change considerably. Love the way the wheels and brakes make the mission statement. Four years to go and it feels like it has already been 30 years in the making. Yeah, that was a bummer not having a full concept at Frankfurt. Kudos to the artist who executed the photorealism, right down to the landscape reflection on the top version.
  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    Panamera looks like a winner (but.....just a little more ground clearance, please!)

    I appreciate your Lexus drive reports, Merc1 - thanks.

    The LS I have been hoping to see for years is the long-rumored LWB version with 5-6" longer wheelbase. Anyone heard more about this version lately?

    I love the LS but rear seat room for 6'0"-6'4" passengers (my sons) is way too tight - only 37.6".
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Information on the LS460 is still basically nill. Lexus is keeping their cards very close to their chest on this one. My guess is the LWB version will probably show maybe a year after the standard 460. No idea as to what engines will be available with what.
  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
    Merc,

    Excellent report. I agree with your opinions on most everything. Here is a good question for you: Out of the upcoming releases of the High end sedans, which one are you most excited about? (S-Class, 07 LS, etc)

    I was at the Lexus dealer the other day and they didn't volunteer anything about the upcoming LS series. They only showed me pictures of the IS..Not my sort of thing. I still think the new Lexus cars look like something drawn by those Pokemon cartoon artists..They really need to do a better job on styling.

    I wonder if Jaguar has anything in works. I had a look at the new XJ and was very disappointed. It didn't look like a "Jaguar." I still prefer the older model and hope to pick one up one of these days.

    I'm content at the moment with my 92 LS and new LS430. The 92 back from repair drives whisperquiet...And can you believe all the car's troubles were due to missing brake shims?! I'm still disappointed with the performance of Lexus through all of this. I'm hoping Mercedes sorts out the quality issues and brings their prices back into reality.

    I saw an older Mercedes SL (90-03?) the other day. Talk about a timeless design. I wonder if I can convince my wife to let me get one of those. I'm assuming since it was one of the last to be redone, it doesn't have any of those electrical issues that have been plaguing the new model. I have a strange range of cars at the moment: a 92 LS400 that hibernates during the week, a 05 LS430 that my wife doesn't let me drive, and a 06 Corolla that I use to putter around town..Can't argue with the 38 MPG. Excellent fit and finish too.

    Happy motoring everyone,
    SV
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The problem I have with the XJ is that Jaguar was way too timid on changes from the previous J6/J8. It just looks dated both outside and in compared to the 7, A8, etc. I dont know how Jaguar possibly expects it to compete with the brand new S and LS. Callum needs to drag the XJ, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.
  • alissaalissa Posts: 9
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    The most beautiful car I have ever seen.
    I wasn't sure if I liked it at first, but it has really grown on me.">link title
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I see a car that's trying it's best to look like an SUV.
  • I think if I was a plastic model car company, I'd do a 'Mr. Potato Man' model SUV kit and call it Range Roofer. There you could stick parts from all kinds of SUVs together onto a boxy frame to get your own Range Roofer design.

    Like tinted rear glass from Presidential Cadillac limos, while the front windows are clear. Maybe you could glue on the 'mountain profile' GPS receiver antennae from BMW, use the wheels from JCWhitney, rear lights from 1992 Honda Accord, rear quarter panels from Acme Rip and Strip Car Recycling, upper tail gate wing from 1999 Lexus RX300, front grill from Parallelogram, headlights from Wandering-eye, Inc. and black-out trim from the Toyota Camry school of Art and Design.

    Plus, if you have the battery option, you can turn the model on and the electronics explode sometime overnight. If you have the wind-up option instead, you can just wind it up and nothing happens.

    Of course, the incredible leather interior in your kit is orderable in 72 non-reproducible colors at delivery, other options include a model stereo that still uses vacuum tubes for fidelity and a miniature compass/map backup kit for the the $4000 nav option.

    Try the model first. It's a good indicator of end user experience.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I liked that interior design the first time I saw it, when it was called the 745i.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Here is a good question for you: Out of the upcoming releases of the High end sedans, which one are you most excited about? (S-Class, 07 LS, etc)

    Of course the S-Class is what I'm most excited about, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't waiting to see what the new LS is going to be like also. Its the only car that will competing wheel to wheel with the S-Class for a while. The A8, 7-Series and XJ all have at least 3+ more years to go before they get redesigned and the European press is already calling the new S the best car in the world. I can't wait to see what our press here will say once the roadtests start showing up next 2 months or so.

    I saw an older Mercedes SL (90-03?) the other day. Talk about a timeless design.

    Ah yes....you are speaking of the R129 SL, produced from 1990-2002. That is my second favorite Benz of days gone by. There are 2 older Mercedes' that I'm going to have before my time is up. A R129 SL500 is one of them and the W124 E500 is the other. These two Mercedes' are like my favorites of all time. Out of their current models on the CLS and CL are as "special" to me.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I've grown quite fond of the new S too, but that rear wheel arch keeps it from being the most beautiful car I've ever seen. In Mercedesland their true beauty is defined by the current CL, SL and CLS. Then it is arguable where the new S and others place afterwards, imo of course. It looks like I'll have to wait until Detroit to see the new S since Mercedes didn't have a ride-n-drive event in my area this year. Last year this time I got to see the CLS at such an event, months before it went on sale in Jan 2005.

    Those wheel arches cry out for larger wheels, which is fine on most models, but some of the lesser European models are going to look undertired for sure. I don't like that.

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    They all won't look this good.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I see an awful lot of the Carrera GT in those pics and in that sketch. This is all good with me since I think the Carrera GT is about as awesome car that can be bought today. Moreso than the SLR or Enzo, imo.

    I suspect flushing out the 997 lineup is more important in the near term than showing concepts. The GTS, RS, and Turbo have yet to make their debuts so I guess we'll be seeing those before any Panamera concepts.

    M
  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    The car is true to the Carrera look even with the longer wheelbase and 4 doors.

    If the driving experience is intact you can ink another home run in the Porsche box score.

    One caveat: Porsche needs to remember that each additional inch of wheelbase adds to ground clearance problems. The car as pictured is a real 'concrete muncher'. :D
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Merc… Are you talking about the GT3 and RS for ALMS? To me the CGT has the Boxster styling genes. However, Porsches are Porsches so I guess we’re splitting hairs.

    I like the look of those bolt-studded wheels on the S but these low profile tires are getting out of hand as fashion. Jeez, they’re for racing on smooth race tracks… I can’t imagine anyone wanting a luxury barge with them. I don’t even like them on the sports cars unless, as I said, they’re for track. For driving, I like the 17s on the Boxster and 911. You can’t even get 17s anymore on a 911 and Boxster S. Even some track rats seem to prefer the 18s.

    By the way, I think I could like those fender flares on the MB S if only they blended them into the fenders with a nice wide-radius filet. It’s those hard edges that are really out of whack and jarring IMO. I think you will notice that the shots of the S that are most attractive are the ones where the lighting de-emphasizes the hard edges on the flares.

    Yes, I can’t wait for the new LS. I am also very curious to see how the IS will sell, especially since they are really marketing the power of the 350 in their advertising. And I think we could see next 7 a year before the 7-year life cycle. Ditto with the 5 unless there is a considerable face lift.

    Scott… we can ignore that ground clearance on the Panamera concepts… it looks in the league of the super cars such as Ferraris, Lambos and CGT… it just ain’t happening. As a matter of fact, I believe the final design will look considerably different. I think they released the sketch just to create some visual interest to accompany the announcement that they are officially proceeding with it.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    I’m thinking of a preliminary sketch of the BMW 6 that was shown around 2000 or 01. Anyone recall seeing it? You can see the DISTINCT resemblance to the production car. However they look really different via shifts in proportions. I have it buried somewhere… will dig it up if I can.

    I’m just rambling from one thought to another now, but another example of what subtle changes in proportion and angles mean can be seen in the Infiniti G coupe vs sedan. It never ceases to amaze me how similar yet incredibly different those two versions look to me.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I think thats why the G coupe has been so successful, its not just a G sedan with the rear doors chopped off.
  • Alissa:

    I think those flaired wheel wells are just plain UGLY...I think the 04 Mercedes S is far more beautiful.
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