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High End Luxury Cars

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  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,665
    Your benchmark was last 5 months. There's no turnaraound story here as yet - just a management change and I don't see Chrysler as sustainable. Time will tell.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Typo I meant 6 months! But do you see how arbitrary this argument is: If you pick 5 months you win and if I pick 6 months I win.

    This is is referred to as data mining! You can find a convincing argument for any stock by using different cut off dates in calculating returns!

    My primary focus is the future and the increased optimism about DCX!

    I agree with you, time will tell!
  • Mattox, nice post. I'm no fan of the Asian Pretender (or the Synthetic brand as some call it) but you sum it up well. If MB isn't delivering this to their E and S Class Customers then they aren't competitive. Isn't it funny also that at the dealer level, the MB dealers can't deliver the customer experience you get at the synthetic brand for less money. All in all for a brand that costs more money, MB isn't cutting it. Especially with non-car nuts who don't care about tradition, "German technology", visions of an AWD uber sedan hammer down in the passing lane on a dark night on I89 heading to Montreal, etc. etc.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You know better than that Merc1

    I also know better than to respond to such foolish nonsense too.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The problem with that definitinion of "luxury" is that sadly it doesn't include a thing about actually driving the car or how it looks/is designed. All that "stuff" can be had on a Avalon (or most of it) for a lot less money and it delivers the same isolated, we-don't-actually-want-to-drive feel of Lexus' top car. Reading that definition there is nothing to seperate a Lexus from a high-end Toyota. You get a car with more features and softer leather that looks just as bad and drives the same.

    It is amazing how the things that Lexus doesn't accel in aren't part of the "luxury" experience.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I sometimes spend a good 4hrs or more on the road, and I'm not a big fan of listening to one CD over and over during that time. Changing a single slot CD manually while driving is extremely dangerous. A changer takes care of that so I can keep my eyes on the road.

    This is true until you have to change out one of the 6 discs in the changer, its the same thing, only you'd have to do it less often. If a car only has a single-slot CD in the dash, usually there is changer somewhere else, so you don't have to listen to the same CD over and over.

    One could also argue that fooling around with a changer with 6 discs is more dangerous than a singe-disc changer for reasons another posted listed above. Now you've got 6-CDs to fumble around with when you want to change one or any of them out.

    M
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Chrysler definitely has yet to show that its "boom and bust" history is truly behind it. Right now they've got the 300 and... nothing else. Not good. If they think that the Sebring replacement is going to get 300 sales, they are definitely in dreamland. The only Chrysler division getting any attention is Jeep, and I'm not sure that the huge expansion of that brand is a good idea. Should Jeep have a "cute-ute" crossover? Whatever happened to "trail rated?"
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I dont change discs in the changer when driving. If I've got to go more than 6hrs without a break, which is very unusual, I just mix in some radio.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    The problem with that definitinion of "luxury" is that sadly it doesn't include a thing about actually driving the car

    I guess you're saying that handling is part of the luxury experience. There's nothing wrong with preferring good handling in a luxury car, it is a personal preference. Yet I would disagree that good handling is part of the luxury equation. Rolls Royce is obviously a luxury brand (or ultra-luxury), but are their cars known for handling?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    No, not handling per say, just that there is no mention of driving at all. Nothing. The way a car drives, a sense of authority, should be part of the luxury equation too imo. A luxury car should impress in the drive before you even get into all the "stuff" that can be had on "regular" cars.

    Rolls-Royces "waft".

    M
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Rolls Royce is obviously a luxury brand (or ultra-luxury), but are their cars known for handling?

    BIG DIFFERENCE

    Most people drive their MBs and Lexuses
    Most poople get chauffeured in their Rolls Royces

    A wicked handling Rolls Royce will cause caviar stains on the attire of VIP passengers :(
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Most poople get chauffeured in their Rolls Royces

    More RRs are chauffered than MBs or Lexi, but I think it a strech to say that most are chauffered. I see a fair number of ultra-lux types around town (there is even a guy who drives an old RR to the train station each day) and only once have I seen one driven be a chauffer (it was a Maybach).
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    The problem with that definitinion of "luxury" is that sadly it doesn't include a thing about ...how it looks

    Do you like the exterior styling of the RR Phantom? I personally find it hideous (distinctive, maybe, but still ugly), but it is still a luxury vehicle.

    Anyway Lexus is finally making some progress on the styling front....some people are going to prefer the looks of the 2007 LS over the 2007 S....well, maybe not someone with the moniker "merc1".
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Rolls-Royces "waft".

    I have never driven one so just what does "waft" mean? An invented word that equals "mushy suspension" or something?
  • A car nut who does care about tradition would buy an older Mercedes...From Back in the days when they made good reliable cars....In those days the Technology was mostly mechanical and the German engineers excelled...TO DAY the state of the art is Electronic...The Japinese EXCELL...

    If you would like a AWD Super Sedan...a Lexus GS might be just the ticket for you or by year end 06 you could probably get a AWD LS....Then go storming down that Passing lane on a dark night on I89 heading to Montreal and be VERY CONFIDENT that the car will actually get you there without breaking down.
  • Merc.

    I think you have acknowledged that you don't actually own a ULTRA Luxury Sedan, although you have driven many....

    TO me The look of the car has nothing to do with LUXURY...To me Luxury is being pampered...Being safe...not being bothered by repairs...the knowledge that no matter how far I drive my car will get me there and back without hassel.

    In my youth I did see like the thrill of driving fast, taking corners at the limit, passing other cars at will and when room to do so was tight ....

    Now a Relaxed drive with a great sound system playing, With a through the dash 6 CD player in a quiet car, smoothly crusing in ultimate comfort...free from worry ...Is an awesome experience..

    It is an added thrill having the knowledge that my car can do 0-60 in 5.9 secs. That with the push of the power and sport buttons , my car will lower for added airo- dynamics and the steering will tighten for sharper control and the gearing can be changed for added pop off the line...
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    No, not handling per say, just that there is no mention of driving at all. Nothing. The way a car drives, a sense of authority, should be part of the luxury equation too imo.

    And any car doesn't *drive* according to you ???? Does an MB drive any better than a Lexus, or a Toyota or a Honda ? Like the S-, 7-, the LS is a RWD car, which means a better driving car than any FWD car. That the car *isloates* the driver is a part of luxury Lexus defines.... that which puts the ruts and grunts of the road outside the equation. Are you suggesting that feeling the road imperfections is a MUST-HAVE for driving experience ? Is that your definition of driving ???
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,665
    Absolutely love my driving experience in my LS. Loved the S driving experience also when I drove it. They were virtually the same. This is pure myth (and psychological) as far as I am concerned - at least as it relates to Lexus and MB. BMW and Audi may be different though given preference for sport.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    By itself no it doesn't define a luxury car. But luxury cars are in part defined by convenience, imho. Such as electrically adjustable seats, and memory systems. If Lexus didn't have them, wouldn't MB fans be criticizing Lexus for it?

    In-dash changers are an obvious convenience feature...having 300 minutes of music easily available is better than having 50... and changers are widespread enough that if a luxury car doesn't have one, then it is imho slightly lacking. Not a huge deal, but a piece of the luxury jigsaw puzzle.
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