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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "Congratulations.....BMW for winning the beauty contest."

    World Car Of The Year-a beauty contest?
    NOT!

    I guess there's no Lexus ad because...let me guess...uh...they didn't win any important international awards? :P
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The wonderful thing about these ads is that they do indeed highlight some serious bragging rights. It's all pretty darn cool, IMO.

    TagMan
  • isnt that basically the toyota FT-SX concept (recently announced as possibly the next highlander) and in that case the HPX concept could be the next RX because of how many features of the RX are already Shared with the highlander
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I think the belly-flop the R-Class has done in the market has forced BMW and Lexus to seriously rethink building such a vehicle. Unlike the CLS, I don't see anyone else trying to duplicate the R-Class.

    You know, merc, I have to give Mercedes credit for being an innovator regarding the R, even if not entirely successful. Mercedes took a pretty big risk with the R. I agree with you that the others probably will learn from the belly-flop, and not go into production of a similar vehicle.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    is a value shopper's gain.
    You can lease this behemoth in V6 version for only $500/month for 27 months.
    I have not sat in one, but the vehicle has been praised for its first-class roomy seats and interior.
    I drove behind one 2 weeks ago and I must say, it looked pretty nice for a van, but then again, this is coming from someone who likes what Bangle did with the 5 Series. :shades:
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Brilliant. Unfortunately for Subaru, none of their cars will be winning any beauty contests.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    The ads outside of the US can get pretty brutal, even down right hilarious. Even the Chinese have cashed in on dumping one competitor.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Audi hasn't released anything as of yet on the US-spec RS 6. But, my A of A rep told me a few secrets, mainly the 500+ hp, the carbon-fibre roof, the rear drive-biased Quattro. And we won't get the super-cool racing seats the Europeans enjoy. But from that, I see this RS 6 also crushing the M5 once more
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Mercedes took very little risk with the R-Class, as it shares a platform with Big Momma Pacifica, and they sell traditional SUVs like the GL and ML here already. There is no pressure on the R to carry the flag, if you will.

    They thought they might catch "Lightning in a Bottle", and they were wrong, but they didn't really risk anything on this test case.

    To this day, I have never seen one on the street.

    The HPX has nothing to do with the Toyota concept, nor the R-Class. The HPX is a VERY LARGE SUV concept, physically bigger than the LX470, similar in size to the Caddy SRX.

    A vehicle that size, sold by Lexus, wiould never see the light of day at less than $40k. If anything, it will be a nice transition from the GX470, which is falling out of favor as trucks have recently.

    A bigger RX is a great idea, and I'm surprised Lexus hasn't been all over it! Smaller Hummer, bigger RX, not hard to figure out what is working here. :mad:

    Since the HPX hasn't come close to seeing the light of day in 3 years, when Lexus can build a concept to production in 2 years, I question if it will ever come.

    And I don't think Lexus is waiting with baited breath to see if Super Station wagons will become hot. That's Diamler/Chrysler's baby.

    We now know where the line is drawn.

    RX, cool :shades:

    R-Class, not so much :sick:

    Car-like, good. :shades:

    Wagon-like, not good. :sick:

    DrFill
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    The CLS hasn't exactly been burning up the sales chart. Quite the opposite, it's sales are down big time this year. I don't see the 4-door coupe fad going far either.
  • The reason why GX is not selling well lately is because it needs to be updated as it is half way through its cycle.

    The updates it needs is engine, power train and probably a new fresher interior, may be some electronic toys as well.

    The engine should be updated to 350+ hp coupled with the new 8-speed transmission and then I suspect things will change.

    Lexus should easily move 30,000 + units after the update.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    Actually, the R-class and Pacifica are on different platforms. Weird isn't it, considering they look soo much alike.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Actually, the R-class and Pacifica are on different platforms. Weird isn't it, considering they look soo much alike.

    The Chrysler products that use M-B hardware are all last generation platforms, aren't they? (Crossfire\SLK320, 300\E430). I think there would be a lot of hubbub if Mercedes rebadged a Chrysler.

    Speaking of the R, I saw one in a Baltimore parking lot last weekend. Enormous.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The CLS hasn't exactly been burning up the sales chart. Quite the opposite, it's sales are down big time this year. I don't see the 4-door coupe fad going far either.

    Aston Martin and Porsche seem to think there's a market for their CLS competitors. It will be interesting to see if they work or not.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    So, Mercedes is darned if they do and darned if they don't?

    The main point Doc, is that it is rarely small pocket change to introduce a new model automobile. The risks are certainly the financial investment in the vehicle and the further risk is the one we all see here . . . about the reputation, which can become diluted. In this case, I don't see major damage to the marque, as the sales and exposure are fairly minimum.

    Why blast them so harshly for taking the risk, as though they should have known better? Do you see them as the all-knowing prophet of auto manufacturers? Risk is part of the business. Look at the Lexus SC. Maybe not quite the disaster of the R, but not all that far behind, sir.

    TagMan
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Actually LG, the Pacifica is loosely based on the Chrysler T&C/Dodge Caravan platform, hence it's FWD architecture.

    The R-Class is the most shocking. It's based on the ultra-stiff M/GL chassis. And this is why all three pass easily in the Tuscaloosa, Alabama assembly line right in line with each other.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    It is kind of strange for BMW to do this. A bit insecure. Also, Audi won the first World Car of the Year with the A6. So, being second is always an after thought
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    Thanks. I am curious how the body of the A6 is going to be tweaked to make the RS6.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Um, clearly the Bimmer has hired Bill Ford's ad agency....

    :sick:
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Mercedes took very little risk with the R-Class, as it shares a platform with Big Momma Pacifica, and they sell traditional SUVs like the GL and ML here already. There is no pressure on the R to carry the flag, if you will.

    True it isn't much of a risk due to the shared platform, but that platform is shared with the GL and M, NOT the Pacifica. The Pacifica is built on a entirely different platform.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The CLS hasn't exactly been burning up the sales chart. Quite the opposite, it's sales are down big time this year. I don't see the 4-door coupe fad going far either.

    You've got to learn to look at the big picture, the car sold over 50K in its first full year worldwide, that is why Porsche, BMW, Audi, Aston-Martin and even VW are rushing to do something similar. For a car as compromised in the name of style to sell that well for prices above the E-Class equals a big hit. Of course sales are going to cool down once everyone who has to have one gets one, just like the Lexus' equally drooping GS.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You had an important debut today, the new X5:

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    In Depth Article

    I like it myself, particularly the interior. BMW has gone back to a gear shift lever, but a very trick one of course.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You know, merc, I have to give Mercedes credit for being an innovator regarding the R, even if not entirely successful. Mercedes took a pretty big risk with the R.

    Well it seems they haven't given up on the original yet. I'm reading that for 2007 the price has been cut by 5K on both the R350 and R500 and the option packages have been shuffled around like on all other 2007 MB models. We'll have to see if this helps sales. The R320 CDI should help out a little also.

    M
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    NAD( advertising division from the Better Business Bureau) has requested that MB remove the GL ad below because it may deceive the public on how safe a GL is. They specifically did not like the repeller scene.

    The NAD must think the public as gullible and foolish . How can anyone take this humorous ad seriously?

    link title
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The NAD needs to join the GAL (GET A LIFE) club.

    M
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Nothing radically new about the X5 looks. It appears BMW is playing it safe with the styling of their newer models.

    I saw a picture of what the new 2009 BMW 5 series may look like in the September Automobile Magazine. The styling of this car appears very conservative. Maybe Chris Bangle is under some kind of restraining order and is not allowed to enter any BMW design studios/premises?

    Designman,
    it appears BMW is reading your posts.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The X5 has always had BMW's nicest interior and the most front leg-room.

    The new one looks pretty much like the old one from the side.

    Not a very exciting re-do, IMO.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The MB CL Class.

    The pains MB takes just to make the audible experience of driving a joy goes beyond what any other car company would do. Over-engineered MBs may be derided here but there are definite advantages in this type of over-engineering.

    The first-class comfort offered by the new Mercedes-Benz CL-Class is also an audible experience. Thanks to meticulous development work and the most modern testing procedures, the coupé is by far the quietest car in its class.

    In addition to the noise configuration and sound insulation of the engine, exhaust system and chassis of the new CL-Class, it is the car’s good aero-acoustics in particular that make it a very quiet driving experience for drivers and passengers. As early as the conceptual phase, Mercedes engineers took pains to ensure that the bodyshell was optimally streamlined so that wind noise was reduced.

    It was with this in mind that they designed the airflow-efficient A-pillars, developed a more rigid bodyshell with reinforced outer surfaces and achieved a new sealing concept for the doors, which is acoustically even more efficient than in the preceding model. This exemplary noise insulation is also helped by the side windows, which have a thickness of six millimetres in the new CL-Class coupé.


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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I like it myself, particularly the interior. BMW has gone back to a gear shift lever, but a very trick one of course.

    I like the interior as well. It reminds me a bit of the new 3 series, but without those cupholders that mess up the flow of the dash. Definitely better than the ML.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    For a time reading thro' HELM you'd think it was the ill-conceived, ethno-centric European HELM board ... what a laughable concept by some people here to carve themselves out just bcos....

    Its all about BMW this, and MB that... Like I said, its cool with all these Euro talk cos Lexus is primed and ready to pounce. I'm taking some time sitting on the sidelines myself. I'll be back in full force after launch of the LS460. Then we'll see whose got the mojo to scoot through this class unscathed. I predict soon, all the Bimmer/MB fans are going to start talking/hyper ventillating about this new LS. Its gonna rock....

    Any of you catch the MT short blurb on the LS460 and the 600hL ? Simply put, for the 600hL, MT stated that: "Lexus is about to change the automotive world. Again."

    See what I mean about the LS series rocking...

    I'll be seeing you all later.... My wedding anniversary beckons... Going away the rest of the week/weekend.

    ps: Tag: How's that Elise treating you so far ? You are a lucky chap/bloke/mate/guy... just plunking down that kinda cash on an Elise. What do you do for a living again ? ;)
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