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  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    There was a euro-tuned version, and you are right it was rare. But I don't recall it ever being reviewed.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Interesting that the enhanced performance version carried the designation "Euro"-tuned. ;)

    Never reviewed? What a waste.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    That in my opinion would be a "no-brainer" and having such a vehicle available in a dealer's lot would get me over there to check it out.
    Makes good business sense.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    You realize, of course, the original name was supposed to be "Club Euro-Tuned." :blush:
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    My guess is that an LS460 in sport trim is still going to under-handle an S550 with ABC. But since the car rags are likely to try to equip the cars to be closer in msrp, they probably won't test the S with ABC. Which means that if Lexus supplies them with a sport version, the LS has a chance of handling credibly well against a non-ABC S. We'll see.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes. This will probably be true.
    But if Toyota can make the Camry SE fun to drive, I don't see why Lexus can't offer a similar package for the LS.
    I wouldn't be expecting miracles-just some improvement in handling with more road feel from the steering.

    I still have 2 years to decide on my next vehicle and as Designman will tell you, I have a rather short list of around 27 vehicles which seem to change daily, but if Lexus made a serious effort, they could sell a lot more vehicles as folks like me would be taking a look.

    I highly doubt that I would ever get an LS, but a sportier offering would make me curious enough to take a test drive.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    For a car with so many weaknesses, the LS (and accompanying board) sure gets a lot of airtime!

    Stop flattering yourself. The new LS is imminent so it’s only fitting to discuss it here. In case you haven’t noticed, this is one of the places where it can and should be discussed. Any car that is in the thread masthead will be put through the mill in the same manner, ESPECIALLY upon its introduction.

    Having said that, you should know that we still love you and your self-exiled compatriots.

    ;-)
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I highly doubt that I would ever get an LS, but a sportier offering would make me curious enough to take a test drive.

    I will test drive it anyway, just to know exactly for myself how it handles (and compares) . . . just like I did the current version, and more than once.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I highly doubt that I would ever get an LS, but a sportier offering would make me curious enough to take a test drive.

    I will test drive it anyway, just to know exactly for myself how it handles (and compares) . . . just like I did the current version, and more than once.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well, unfortunately Canadian Driver put a damper on testing the LS for me as they indicated "same old, same old."
    I wouldn't go to the showroom unless the sportier suspension was made available to drive. I will make some phone calls and inquire.

    Excellent Post #2370.

    As with previous posts of mine, I'm sure this message will self-destruct within several minutes.

    Maybe if I disguise myself...... :shades:
    Yeah. That oughta work!
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Is now out, link title.

    Of the sport version it says:


    A sport-tuned air suspension highlights the Touring Package, which incorporates 19-inch five-spoke wheels and summer tires, Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS), and high-friction-coefficient brake pads with larger rotors.


    Sounds like it won't be "enough" for the sport-minded among you....which seems to be just about everyone still posting here.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    0-60 in 5.4

    mpg 19/27. Compares to:
    16/24 2007 S550
    17/26 2006 S430
    17/25 2006 750i
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS), and high-friction-coefficient brake pads with larger rotors.

    Doh! The VGRS system is my absolute least favorite "feature" on the GS430. It appears that road feel will not be part of the Touring Package. Not good.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Amazing how they can't just make it a stand-alone option. BMW went through this BS with variable steering foisted upon the original E60 5-series sport package, then made it stand-alone after all of the complaints. However, nobody complains about Porsche's variable steering which comes on all of the sports cars. It is mechanical as opposed to electronic and is very subtle.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thanks for the link.

    Whether it's "enough" or not, it's good to see Lexus moving a bit in this direction.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Who's trying to convince each other?

    The 2 reviews I read have both said driving the new LS is pretty much a snooze just like the vehicle it replaces.

    Plenty of folks don't seem to mind owning the "limo" experience.
    For them this car is just what the doctor ordered.

    The basic LS driving experience is, how shall I say, the feeling of being embalmed, I guess.
    Heh! Heh!
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    ABSOLUTELY LG!! On my test drive of a GS earlier this year, the car would've had BETTER steering and handling WITHOUT the supposed super-cool steering system.

    BUT: Lexus is not alone. BMW, the king of all things performance, should recalibrate the active steer as it saps so much fun out of the 3/5-Series that it's not worth buying the car. HP, does your 545i have active steer? A back-to-back drive of car equipped/non-equipped proved that there is nothing that can perform better than good ol' hydra-steer, no electronics please...
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    "Big, clunky automobiles"

    Try this: The LS460L will measure 2" wider and 4" longer than the 760iL/A8L, 3" longer than a S550.

    So for us "europhiles" wasting money, it's the other way around. Nobody on this board is wishing ill-success of the LS, HOWEVER, this vehicle will not nor will it ever be the vehicle to change the class. Lexus promises this with each iteration of the car, and fails miserably on all counts save for US-only sales.

    I, as I've related several times, hope that Lexus has corrected all of the shortcomings of the LS. The soggy 90's era handling/ride, the ho-hum styling, and the precise but boring interior have gotta go. Judging from what I've read, some if not all of these things have been corrected.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    focusing on other posters will be deleted without notice.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Are you kidding? There is absolutely NO WAY I was getting any BMW with active steering.
    I was exposed to this atrocity on the GS430 and it was HORRIBLE! And of course, it was not an option.

    BMW was very smart to offer the active steering as an option-otherwise there is no way I would be driving the 545 right now. I hope they get rid of it entirely, and they should be ashamed of themselves for offering it.

    The Porsche steering system sounds ideal. For that, I will put the Cayman S back on my list of 28 possible vehicles I must decide on within the next 2 years.

    I won't drive anything that has "electronic" or "drive by wire" in front of the function.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    mpg 19/27. Compares to:
    16/24 2007 S550
    17/26 2006 S430
    17/25 2006 750i


    18/27 2006 Jaguar XJ Vanden Plas
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Hadn't though to check Jag. However it is only a 4.2l engine and 0.9sec slower to 60.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    19/27 is very good for a V-8.

    The rating for my 545 V-8 is 18/26.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,934
    The operative word here is "clunky".

    Pat, I have no clue what you are talking about or why you deleted my last post. If pro Lexus posters are not wanted on this forum just tell me. Thanks.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The impressive 18/27 rating is partly due to the fact that the Vanden Plas, like the other new-gen Jag XJ's and XK,s is made from aluminum. Considering the size of the vehicle, performance is very brisk, but not a bullet.

    The 545 rating is also impressive, IMO . . . expecially considering the performance.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "Nobody on this board is wishing ill-success of the LS."

    I agree. I would hope every vehicle discussed here continues to evolve and be improved.
    This process tends to lift all HELM boats.
    Competition is very, very good for all of us!

    I don't believe anybody here wishes the demise of Lexus and/or the LS.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Absolutely. The LS is the ONLY Japanese representative of these HELMs, and therefore has a larger share of the burden. The European HELMs have it surrounded, yet the Lexus continues to challenge the status quo. Very healthy, and admireable, IMO.

    :)

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    It's my opinion that the new '07 Lexus is a case example of offering almost every option that could possibly be desired in a luxury vehicle.

    This is something the German manufacturers could stand to learn from. Goodness, just to get cup holders from the Germans took an act of God, and they somehow made us feel guilty for even wanting them. And then they over-engineered them, of course, with these contraptions that spring open and risk spilling the good Starbucks all over the place.

    The Lexus press release indicates an outstanding level of feature selections that will be available.

    Sounds good to me.

    TagMan
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    BMW, the king of all things performance, should recalibrate the active steer as it saps so much fun out of the 3/5-Series that it's not worth buying the car.

    It's a stand-alone option now and no one seems interested in it. Ignore it, it sucks and will die on the vine.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    The Porsche steering system sounds ideal. For that, I will put the Cayman S back on my list of 28 possible vehicles I must decide on within the next 2 years.

    I won't drive anything that has "electronic" or "drive by wire" in front of the function.


    Just for the record, Porsches have had drive-by-wire throttles since 2000. There have been several but not numerous complaints about slowness of the throttles. Of course they now offer the SportChrono as an option which increases the throttle speed by 20%. Gotta love the extortion tactics.

    I do seem to notice a sluggishness but it is not anything overwhelming. What I really notice is that you can't toggle the throttle in neutral with that vroom-vroom in-your-face challenge that often precedes a street match, not that I get into street matches but it's nice to hear the bluster. Once the rpm gets up it recedes very slowly. However, I think this is better for the engine.

    It's funny how we were talking about sound recently. The sound of the old V8 American muscle going through their excercises at a stoplight was spectacular and sits deep in the memory banks of my teenage and college years, as is the crescendo of a Ferrari symphony climbing through gears. Heh, heh... Ferrari plays Carnegie Hall...

    ;-)
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