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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    After the "First Drive" of the 2007 LS 460:

    "The new Lexus may not be as pretty as the Audi, or as powerful as the Mercedes, or as driver-focused as the 750i, but it is the only one that can park itself."

    Let's see-it's not too pretty, not too powerful and not too driver-focused.

    Well what the heck is left???

    If that's the best Edmunds can say about the 2007 LS, it must be pretty disappointing.

    A shame to pay $65k and up when the best you can say about the car is "it can park itself." :)
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    It's still way too early to draw any significant opinions about the LS, IMO.

    The vehicle is likely to show signs of improvement, but for the most part will simply accomplish the task that it was created for, and do so very well.

    The luxury will be refined and the ride will be soft. A bit more power, techno wizardry and the car parks itself.

    It's way too early to be drawing big conclusions about the brakes, IMO, although early indications are that they may be a bit too touchy or grabby.

    "touchy and grabby"? . . . . sounds like the car is X-rated.

    TagMan
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    Seems to be generating a lot of interest on the helm board. Come on guys, it will be 2 months before the car hits the streets. Rather than already bashing it, can't you find something good to say about some other makes? Reminds me of Bush and the democrats!!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The Lexus press release admits that the first two gears of the 8-speed tranny are intentionally low to enable brisker acceleration. This is a very good indication that the low end torque is a bit weak, but as you say, the final curves are not out yet. I'll bet the ranch, however, that the engine is a bit weak in low-end torque, and that overall it delivers its best torque and hp at mid to high rpms, with not very much going on at the low rpms.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "It will be 2 months before the car hits the streets."

    Yes, but some reviews from Canada and Britain are already out for the 2007 LS-none favorable, plus you have the Edmunds "first drive" which was mildly polite at best.

    When the reviews come out for any new HELM model, as they have been with the 2007 LS, we will comment on them.

    It's what we do! :)
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    Well, if you need some info on the S Class just go to that board. There has been one post there in the last month!! All the previous posts talked about were problems, problems, problems!! Very exciting!!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    And you can go to the regular LS board (not the futures board) and find all kinds of talk about problems with the LS.

    So . . . what's your point other than to do some more bashing?

    BTW, unlike the LS booard, this board allows us to discuss ALL the HELMs, including the LS, so it is reasonable to expect more comparisons and criticisms alike.

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Plus you have the Edmunds "first drive" which was mildly polite at best.

    Who knows, Edmunds could end up falling in love with the car. There's so much continuity in the reviews around here that the GS is simultaniously Japan's best, and worst, sports sedan.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    Well, that's pretty obvious also...so what is your point? I thought you liked factual posts. No need to get defensive.

    I can't seem to find a forum for the NEW S Class. You would think a car of this worldwide status, prestige and interest would have one.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    There is a long, long way to go on reviews of the new LS.
    We will be saturated with them over the next 2 months.

    My gut is telling me that the autorags will find it rather dull because, after all, they live for redline.

    I do not believe anyone seeking a positive write-up on the LS should be waiting for R&T and its ilk to review this vehicle.
    Lexus will have to lobby them real hard for those guys to even consider reviewing the LS. Lexus shouldn't bother.

    I'd rather check some of the online review sights-they will be fairer to this vehicle: New Car Test Drive, Canadian Automotive Network and the Professional Car Reviews of MSN Autos come to mind.

    And yes, the Edmunds review could, of course, be favorable.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I can't seem to find a forum for the NEW S Class. You would think a car of this worldwide status, prestige and interest would have one.

    :D lol . . . man, you are on a roll today.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    Yes Tag, I am a little full of myself this afternoon because I shot a 73 this morning on a very tough golf course! Sorry!!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Congrats. Was that your personal best? Mine is 74.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    It wasn't my best score. I shot a 67 about 20 years ago on a much easier par 70 course. I would say this was my best round of golf as far as striking the ball. I hit 16 greens in reg. but had a fairly high 35 putts. A par 72 course with a slope rating of 138. The back nine has a slope of 150.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Nice. Next time play the back nine too.

    With a name like "Houdini", I'll bet you are quite good at making bogeys disappear. :P
  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    QP also has a very high-revving engine . . . another trait that is atypical of this class. These cars being routinely out-handed by cars half their price goes to show that handling is not the primary characteristics of these cars.
  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    And the reviewer from Canadian Driver has been an objective writer for how many . . . hours?? Scribes for car reviews may as well be commentators for WWF . . . they enjoy toeing the "character" lines . . . it makes for good story. Objectivity be damned.

    The rest of your post reads like someone who really wants an LS but can not afford one . . . with sour grapes. For what it's worth, it's BMW and MB that heavily subsidizes their leases, not Lexus. What does that say about BMW/MB and their lessees if we were to follow your own logic?
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    These cars being routinely out-handed by cars half their price goes to show that handling is not the primary characteristics of these cars.

    :confuse:

    TagMan
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,918
    you would SO be welcome to start a new one, seeing as you're a HUGE fan and all :)

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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "The rest of your post reads like someone who really wants an LS, but cannot afford one."

    Well, ya finally got me! I must confess that I actually live in an alley on the bowery and am posting this with a laptop provided by the good folks at the salvation army.

    Congrats. Ya saw right through me!

    What gave it away? I tried so hard to act like all you rich folk.

    Gotta go. A guy just tossed me a quarter. It's rolling away... Don't want any of the other bums to get it.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    OUCH!! :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • brightness04brightness04 Posts: 3,151
    What "gave it away" was very simple: you leased a 545i, which is less expensive than an LS . . . the same logic that you were using accusing LS buyers of being unable to afford an S. Now I will sit back and watch you squirm and come up with arguments that debunk your own earlier ridiculous logic.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,678
    who cares about brakes any more? . . . afterall, the car parks itself!

    ...so does a cab
    :shades:
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The real "reviews" will be when Car and Driver, Road and Track, Automobile and Motor Trend do their thing. Until this all these reports from the press introduction really don't mean much IMO. Of course that all-important C&D comparo will be the talk of the year! I can see it now, the LS460L, S550, 750Li, A8L and XJ8L all being compared in the December 06' or January 07 issue.

    Well here is a better review:

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/autoexpresstv/featuresvideos/202343/lexus_ls460.htm- l

    M
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well, not too bad of a review.

    He wanted to hear that big V-8 "growl", but that's not what Lexus is about.
    He found the steering a bit "dull at the center." Typical Lexus, there.
    He is to be envied being able to put a car through its paces on the Autobahn at 200km/h (120 mph).
    I myself can only afford to do that in "momentary spurts" and there is NOTHING LIKE IT!

    Thanks for posting the link to this review.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Np.

    I've been scouring the net for reviews on the new LS, and so far that is the most in-depth one out there.

    The usual monthly publications should have theirs in their Nov or Dec issues.

    Autoweek should have something on it next week or the week after next.

    M
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I hope we get several good comparos pitting the LS460 vs the S550.

    I also hope the autorags see some merit in it.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    The real "reviews" will be when Car and Driver, Road and Track, Automobile and Motor Trend do their thing.

    I've pretty much heard what I need to hear between AutoExpress, Canadian Driver, Edmunds, and wasn't their a fourth posted around here? However the real review will be when we drive it but I know exactly what to expect. Bottom line for me is that it's a nice luxury car that offers nothing for the performance-minded.

    The only issue at large is this longstanding battle between the LS and S in the HELM thread. I guess a trophy must be awarded with bragging rights duly accorded and, yes, the full comparos in one or all of those that you cited are the key.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    "there" not "their"

    I hate when I do that.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    hate it more than you do!

    Excuse me while I go out to my 165 slope golf course and shoot 65.
    I'm borrowing that other guy's pencil.
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