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  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I'm not sure why this is big news now, it has been known for months that the Bluetec wouldn't be sold in all 50 states.

    Oops my post was a bit dated. I was under the false impression that this was news.

    At least in my case it doesnt matter whether I live in the province of Ontario (looser emissions regulations) or California since I have no intention upon getting a Blutec Benz before 2008. I will be patiently waiting for the future generation of diesel E Class Wagons.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    What matters most for cars is platform and drive train. MB and Chrysler _is_ (one and the same company) doing a lot of platform and drive train sharing . . .

    What do you define as a lot?

    As far a I know there is not one single case of platform sharing between MB and Chrysler. The current generation SLK does not share the same platform as the Crossfire. The Crossfire is based on a previous generation SLK.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Ford Motor Co. said Thursday it is exploring the possible sale of all or part of its Aston Martin luxury brand as the company works to free up cash to pay for its North American turnaround plan.

    But it said no decisions have been made about its other luxury car brands which include Jaguar and Land Rover.

    "As part of our ongoing strategic review, we have determined that Aston Martin may be an attractive opportunity to raise capital and generate value," Bill Ford, the automaker's chairman and chief executive, said in a statement.


    SOURCE: WALL STREET JOURNAL
  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    The current Chrysler 300 uses the old MB E platform. The new 300 will use the new E platform.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The current 300 is based on a old E platform?

    That is news to me.

    The new 300 will use the new E platform.

    That is even newer news to me.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The new 300 will use the new E platform.

    That is even newer news to me.


    All of the Chryslers currently using Mercedes parts are last gen (SLK320\Crossfire, E430\300). Thats about to change, Chrysler and Mercedes are going to get much closer, with platform and engine sharing.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    All of the Chryslers currently using Mercedes parts are last gen (SLK320\Crossfire, E430\300). Thats about to change, Chrysler and Mercedes are going to get much closer, with platform and engine sharing.

    Depending upon the actual real-life sharing strategy, of course, I suspect that the results of such a move would be more likely a benefit to Chrysler, as opposed to hurting MB.

    TagMan
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    PART$ $HARING MAKE$ $ENSE.

    I agree Tag, this should definitey benefit Chrysler. I also think the Dr. Z ads would be good if only everyone knew who he is.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    MAKE$ $ENSE FOR CHRY$LER NOT FOR MERCEDE$.

    Unless ofcourse the future 300 is based on the current E Class platform. By then there will be a new generation platform of the E Class that will be different from the platform of the future 300 . If that happens then the mystique of MBs will be preserved.

    Otherwise MB gets the short end of the stick and their distinct reputation will be tarnished and many will ponder the reasons for spending the extra $$$ for a Benz.

    I myself have difficulty understanding how anyone could choose a Lexus ES over a V6 Camry. :confuse:
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I myself have difficulty understanding how anyone could choose a Lexus ES over a V6 Camry.

    Toyota could probably offer a "super luxury package" for the V6 Camry with similar equipment as the ES, with a price of maybe $36K. No one would buy it. Why would they, when they could get an Acura TL for the same money? The Lexus gets you the better warranty, infinitely better service department, and of course the Lexus badge that people are willing to pay for. If you don't want it, dont buy.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The Lexus gets you the better warranty, infinitely better service department, and of course the Lexus badge that people are willing to pay for. If you don't want it, dont buy.

    LOL and what would the MB badge give you over a Chrysler?

    Better service? Better reliability? I dont think so!!

    I hate to say this but this whole idea of platform sharing between Chrysler/MB platform sounds incredibly self- destructive for the Stuttgart side of DB.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    You could be right. I can see it going either way or it could have no effect at all. I think most of the buying public is blind to platform sharing anyway.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I hate to say this but this whole idea of platform sharing between Chrysler/MB platform sounds incredibly self- destructive for the Stuttgart side of DB.

    Disagree. It's a benefit to Chrysler.

    Unless . . . it goes beyond the platform and . . . we start to see Dodge "Hemi" engines in the MB's (lol)! :D

    I can see it now . . . no more AMG needed . . . introducing the new S-Class Hemi.

    TagMan
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    I guess I just don't get your point about the Camry and the LS looking the same, or having a resemblance. Why do you care? Why does this bother you so much? Is the E Class diminished because Chysler now uses their platform? Not really. It is just good financial planning and trying to save money to make a better car. Please get over this.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,678
    I hate to say this but this whole idea of platform sharing between Chrysler/MB platform sounds incredibly self- destructive for the Stuttgart side of DB.

    It all depends on what a “platform” is.

    I remember reading a discussion on the similarities between a Volvo S40 and the Mazda 3. They officially share the same platform; but have different engines, HVAC, suspensions, floorboards, insulation…practically everything is different.

    I think a “platform” really doesn’t cost much to reproduce…it’s the R&D of it that drives up the costs…so sharing just that would make sense.

    While I would like to be able to buy an MB E class for 24K I don’t think you’ll ever be able to…irregardless of what badge is on the front.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Let me chime in on this just a little. I think it is typical to see design themes that proliferate throughout an entire marque's model line up. We see it with Mercedes, clearly, from the C-Class right up to the S-Class. We see it with BMW and with Audi and with Jaguar.

    However, the point is that Toyota is a DIFFERENT marque than Lexus, even if it is the same parent company, and whether or not platforms are shared, the styling and design similarities do not necessarily need to be so similar.

    So there is some merit to the idea of creating further distance between the Lexus and Toyota marques in terms of style and design, regardless of any platform sharing.

    TagMan
  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    The MB badge tells people that you are rich.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The MB badge tells people that you are rich.

    One reason that some buy a MB, perhaps, or other prestige vehicle, but certainly not the only reason. After all, Mercedes are expensive, and financial clout is a pre-requisite for the most part . . . unlike, say, a Toyota Corolla.

    But, you'd be amazed at how many rich people drive economy cars!!!!!

    That logic applies to anything that is expensive. A yacht or private jet also say you are rich, wouldn't you agree? But a lot of rich people fly coach!!

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I hate to say this but this whole idea of platform sharing between Chrysler/MB platform sounds incredibly self- destructive for the Stuttgart side of DB.

    I thought about mentioning that. If its done right, I think they can get away with it. Sharing V6s is ok, many automakers do that. V8s however, should remain M-B exclusive.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    So there is some merit to the idea of creating further distance between the Lexus and Toyota marques in terms of style and design, regardless of any platform sharing.

    Why would there be merit in this? Toyota/Lexus seems to be doing just fine with the current arrangement.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    I agree with Tagman. If a company is going to ask customers to pay more for a product, they will probably have greater success, everything else being equal, if that product is differentiated from the lower-priced product...and that includes differentiation of appearance.

    If Rolex and Timex were owned by the same corporate parent and you bought a Rolex, wouldn't you want it to look very different from a Timex?

    As a consumer, I don't mind platform/parts sharing between Lexus and Toyota, even though it may hurt Lexus' prestige a bit. But I do feel that there should be more of an effort to diffentiate on the basis of appearance.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    I guess I can see your point a little bit. But this is so far down on my priority list in making a buying decision that it hardly matters. That's all I'm saying.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Actually, exterior styling isn't at the top of my priority list either. I figure, most of the time is spent INSIDE the car, not admiring it from outside. If I were single maybe it would be a different story.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Actually, exterior styling isn't at the top of my priority list either.

    Wow! That's quite a departure from the vast majority of consumers. Single or not. ;)

    TagMan
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    If styling was my top priority, I don't think I'd be a Lexus fan!
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    If styling was my top priority, I don't think I'd be a Lexus fan!

    lol :D . . . Is this "true confessions"?

    TagMan
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Is this "true confessions"?

    I take pride in being intellectually honest, not one of the "my favorite brand can do no wrong" types, both germancarfan and lexican, that are all too common on this board and the 2007 LS board.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Well, the "germancarfan" vs "lexican" needs to stop - let's get away from this us vs. them from here on out.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    We're trying Pat, we're trying!!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    There was an AP report out today that suggested Ford is in the process of selling off bits and pieces or maybe all of Aston Martin to the highest bidder.

    The report suggested that automaker can no longer dump cash into the not to profitable brand. While other PAG members may be spared, like Volvo and Land Rover, Jaguar is up for discussion

    The company has long said that Jaguar is not performing as designed when the takeover was implemented in '89. The lower profits over the years has left the parent company up in arms over what to do about the cash hog.

    I got a brilliant idea for both. For Aston, the 4-door sedan MUST BE BUILT!! With even Porsche going 4-doors, there is absolutely no holding back now. Also expand the line-up, with only 3 cars, it's a major struggle. Altho the V8 Vantage is wonderful ride, it ain't no 911. Tweak it some more. The DB9 needs to seperate itself more from it's forebears for more distinction.

    Jaguar, let's see: First off, take the X and S-Type's out back and put them out of their misery. DO NOT USE A FORD CLONE PRODUCT, as is the case with the X's Mondeo, and the S' Lincoln LS/Ford T-Bird. Build a sporty LPS that can fully compete with the 3 Series, A4, IS, G35, and TL seriously. The S-Type is a definete must do. Use one of those wonderful Euro chassis that we Americans can only dream of for the next S-Type.

    Easier said than done, I know. But without fresh product, you're doomed to fail. At least GM appears to be on the right track with brand finally putting priorities first. The brand will take Pontiac all RWD and Chevy will go back to the roots with Impala heading upmarket in price and size. Cadillac is said to take the next DTS way upmarket with the 3rd gen Northstar making 400+ hp out of the box.

    Times a changin for the domestics. For the best hopefully.
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