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High End Luxury Cars



  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I'm not sure why even 63 people bought Qs.
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    63 is pretty embarrassing for the entire USA. Infiniti should have killed the Q45 last year, but it still soldiers on. Who knows how much longer.

    The did such a good job with the M35/45, and G35 sedans, you wonder what Infiniti has up their sleeve to compete in that 70k market segment. If they build upon the 35/45, a new Q flagship could bring Infiniti full circle.
  • anything made by Infiniti be considered high end?
    That was the first clue the discussion was off-topic.

    Q45 is the high end marque for Infiniti, which is itself the high end marque for Nissan. On the other hand, BMW is the mid-level marque for BMW AG, and 3 series is the entry-level product for the mid-level marque, doubly off-topic.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yeah, I really dont understand why they spent even a dollar "refreshing" the Q. How many extra sales did that get them over the '04? Three people? Four?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    So now the non-wealthy have the priveledge of driving a Ferrari.

    Thank God for the new Bugatti since that is one way for the wealthy to distinguish themselves from the rest of humanity.

    Unless ofcourse an entrepreneur introduces a time-share Bugatti concept.

    The following is from the year end edition of the Economist:

    In Britain, Damon Hill, a former racing driver, has launched P1 International. A £2,500 ($4,300) joining fee, plus annual membership of £13,750, buys around 50-70 driving days a year in cars ranging from a Range Rover Sport to a Bentley or a Ferrari.

    As a result, “the price of entry for much of what traditionally was available to the top 0.001% is now far lower”, says Mr Lawson, who notes the sorry implications for a would-be conspicuous consumer: “How do I know if the guy who drives past me in a Ferrari owns it or is just renting it for the weekend?”
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Why the lacklustre sales for such super lux cars as the Maybach or Rolls Royce?

    Here's a quote from the year end Economist:

    Yet rather than abandoning status anxiety, the way the rich seek to display status may simply be getting more complex. As inequality grows again in rich countries, some of the very rich worry about consumption that is so conspicuous to the masses that it provokes them to try to take their wealth away. Some car-industry experts blame weak sales of the latest luxury limousines on this fear.

    But perhaps the true symbol of exalted status in the era of mass luxury is conspicuous non-consumption. This is the growing tendency of the very rich to dress scruffily and drive beaten-up cars.
  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
    Hi Everyone,
    Another year passes and we're still at it debating. While we all differ in our opinion, our fierce debates show how passionate each and everyone of us are about our cars! I hope everyone has a wonderful and safe New Year!!

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    good to see mega stars like Julia Roberts driving the Toyota Prius.
    Unfortunately, most of the others ($452,750 for a Mercedes?) are gorging themselves on high-priced vehicles.

    I do believe many of them could use a little God in their lives to bring them back to reality. Reminds me of the golden calf worshippers.

    On the positive side, it must be nice to know that when you die, you can afford the most expensive box at the undertakers'. ;)
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    No Hummers? I'm surprised. Good results for Mercedes though.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    First post of 2006, hooray!

    Detroit is but 2 weeks away! Now this is my favorite time of year!

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    if they let you get closer than 15 feet from the new LS.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    A Lambroghini made in Germany? What kind of sports car connoisseur would buy a bastardized Italian sports car? This sounds like something VW would do!

    It is also likely that the car will share the same underpinnings as the new Audi R8 which itself is based on the Gallardo. This could mean that the Miura will be the first lambo to be built outside Italy, with Germany the likely choice, alongside the R8.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Zetsche defends cuts, says Mercedes could learn from Chrysler

    The above is a good indicator of what kind of humbleness MB needs in order to succeed with its turn-around!

    link title
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    Warren Brown wrote about the 2006 Lexus LS in the Washington Post today. The whole review was about how he didn't like the way the rear seat felt to sit on (he loves the rear seat in the Lincoln Town Car), and how the LS wasn't worth the money since it didn't have a DVD screen in the back and a Honda Odyssey, which costs much less, does.

    The funny thing is that in the sidebar to the article, he notes "The LS 430 has excellent acceleration and superior handling. From the driver's seat, the car is an absolute joy, especially when its electronic suspension is set on the "Sport" mode." But somehow that doesn't matter since his tush didn't like the rear seat and his 11-yr-old godson missed his family's minivan's DVD player.

    The other brilliant observation was "Nearly everybody mistook the Lexus LS 430 for an S-Class Mercedes-Benz. That may be flattering to Mercedes-Benz, but it does little to establish an independent LS 430 identity." Of course, no where in the article did he mention that the next model has already been announced and shown (at least in pre-production form), and it looks nothing like an S-class.

    One thing I noted is that he drove an Ultra Luxury package which had the "Euro-tuned Sport Suspension" - so merc1, other people don't seem to have a problem finding the sport setup that you repeatedly say doesn't exist.

    In any case, everybody who rides in the back of my '05 LS loves it. So unless Lexus did something very weird with the '06 model, I really don't understand what this guy is talking about.

    So according to Mr. Brown, we're all wrong here: the LS is in fact a great "driver's car" with superb handling; it's just a poor "passenger's car" filled with technology you can get for less in other (non-luxury) cars. :confuse:

    You gotta read this to believe it (free website registration):

    Wash Post LS review
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Talk to a Lexus dealer. The "Euro Sport" LS430s are in fact quite rare. Most of the cars have the air springs.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    One thing I noted is that he drove an Ultra Luxury package which had the "Euro-tuned Sport Suspension" - so merc1, other people don't seem to have a problem finding the sport setup that you repeatedly say doesn't exist.

    First of all I didn't say that a LS430 with the Euro option didn't exist. What I said was that it is a hard to get, which is true, despite one clueless reporter's report. The fact remains that a LS430 with the Euro option is all but impossible for everday consumers to test drive.

    Reading that confirms that car reviews from a newspaper (and other non-automotive sources) are nothing more than a jokes.

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    As much as I enjoy disagreeing with you I will agree with you on this post. ;)
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    In fact that Warren Brown fellow from Washington Post is a genius!

    Below is a portion of a transcript from a CNN interview with Warren Brown dated March 16th, 2002.

    The following interview has wisdom that CR worshippers tend to ignore:

    BROWN: There is no such thing as an unbiased report. For example, you look at "Consumer Reports", it calls itself unbiased. And certainly to its readers, it is. But it does tend to lean very heavily in favor of Japanese cars and those kinds of models.

    CALLAWAY: Right.

    BROWN: Primarily because that's where its readers tend to lean. Then you look at something from say "Car and Driver" or "Road and Track" or "Motortrend," and you'll get a completely different picture. My favorite is the AAA car guide, primarily because it seems to come from a wider base of buyers, a wider base of experience, but there actually we have certain elements of bias.

    The best thing to do, if you can, is to read as many of them as you possibly can, and also to check various Web sites to see what's there. One of my favorites is It tends to give a fairly dry, you know, presentation of what's available. There's also and various and sundry others. So you just have to do your research and then go with your gut.

  • docnukemdocnukem Posts: 485
    I have found that there are far more CR bashers than CR "worshippers" in these forums. True, there are many who do weigh what CR says when they are buying (and I think anyone who consciously chooses to completely ignore CR's take on used cars is foolish. I am in no way saying that CR's take should be the only criteria--far from it). I do not feel there are many here who choose a car only by what CR says. These might be considered CR users, rather than worshippers.

    BTW, Brown can't be both an idiot (for his recent review) and a genius.

    On this (HELM) board, there are probably more people who discount CR more than on other boards, simply because they may have the means to. In other words, maintenance costs and reliability in getting from point A to point B may not be as crucial.

    I would guess that most people who bash CR are bashing their relative ratings (as bias can creep into things easier when objective measures are weighted subjectively) rather than their testing methods and surveys. Brown was probably referring to this bias (as CR does cater to their audience, and things like reliability and costs are more important to that population than those who read auto mags).
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