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  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    Preview shots of the X350 abound and at this stage are very consistent: it looks like a stretched S-Type, with the obligatory bubbly cabin to maximize headroom. Not that it ugly, and probably indeed it will sell better than the current, more individualist XJ8, but nevertheless it will bury the concept of different, somewhat endearing quirky Britishness, if you understand what I mean. Engines and all others specs sound great. But just like I, personally, would not buy an S-Type, when it comes to buying a more rational and functional sedan I'd probably look elsewhere, too. The XJ8 offers a very unique value proposition, and if you buy into it, the market offers no other alternative. It'll be somewhat sad to see the Baby Bentley concept go away.
  • badtoybadtoy Posts: 368
    Luv ya -- you really police the site, and for that I thank you. Nothing more unpleasant than people resorting to prepubescent behavior when they're talking about cars.

    As for the Q45 -- everyone here knows I'm a Toyota loyalist, but I try to be honest about things (I love ALL cars anyway, and that helps), and I have to reply to the following: "The Infiniti Q45 is a wannabe something that we don't know what it wants to be. on the one hand it wants to be a BMW 740i, on the other hand it want's to be a LS430, but in the process it turns into neither and turns into cow dung. Let's see it's as ugly as a Maxima, even looks like one from the front, it's interior is downright a disaster, and even with 340bhp it only does 0-60 in 5 1/5 seconds. Nor is it's handling as great as the 740i or S430 sport even with 18" wheels & tires. And it doesn't even handle better than the barge called the LS430. The Infiniti Q45 is basically a wannabe BMW-Lexus-Benz for people who can't afford a 740, LS430, S430."

    Whew! Let's review our history a minute. The original Q45 was universally praised in the automotive press for its performance and handling -- especially relative to the LS400. It's only problems were somewhat controversial styling and a dingbat advertising campaign. Bad launch = bad sales. A shame really, but that's the way it is. When the LS and Q were introduced at the Detroit Auto Show, everybody swarmed over the LS but stayed away from the Q like the flu -- this before anybody had a chance to drive it, which tells me it was primarily a styling issue (plue the interior didn't look as luxurious as the LS's).

    Now, two generations later, we have thelatest version, and it sure looks like a winner to me in the performance category -- but the front end looks like an anteater (to me), and that may prove problematic once again.

    Nissan (and by extension, Infiniti) has had some strange ideas about automotive styling for the last ten years, and it has hurt them more than they're willing to admit.

    My prescription? Make the cars beautiful. Stop trying to be edgy or "with it" and just make them sleek and beautiful. And don't copy ANYBODY (the LS430 comes immeditately to mind).

    Someone mentioned the interior -- matter of taste, of course, but every time I see their ad in the magazines I just drool. I think it's beautiful (as is the LS430's, which recently won Best Interior by the Automotive Interior Designers association).

    I notice that most of the 45 baching comes from BMW and Mercedes apologists, by the way. Surprise, surprise.

    Oh yeah -- someone also mentioned 5.5 seconds to 60 as being kinda wimpy. Dunno where you were in the 60s, but that's big block Chevelle territoy, dude. Check it out.
  • pluskinpluskin Posts: 79
    Here's the thing with preview shots. Its just somebody at a car magazine making guesses, and producing images on their computer. How anyone got the idea that it has a "bubble" roof like the S-type is beyond me. It doesn't. And you won't mistake it for anything but an XJ.
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    Jaguar is going to have to go more mainstream, there's no doubt. But I don't think it is to the effect that people are dreading. A Jaguar will always be distinctive, and now that it has money again, it will be able to afford to be distinctive. Sure, it may lose a little of it's panache, but when it flies by, everyone will still know it's a Jaguar and wish to own one~ A.R.
  • bitkahunabitkahuna Posts: 206
    The movie 'Pay it forward' features a silver S-Type in many scenes after a rich guy GIVES one to a reporter whose classic Mustang is destroyed.

    Anyway, makes the S-Type look GREAT.
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    "Jaguar Monthly" Magazine is pretty reliable when it comes to Jags. The pics in there do not look like fantasy artwork, but rather like the pictures of a very real car that is very well into development. At this stage before the S-Type's release, we knew how it'd look like pretty accurately, just like thew X-Type was documented well ahead of time. Given the fact the new XJ is going to be out late '02/early '03, the fact there's so little out shows that probably Jag itself dreads the idea of following up their workhorse with something that backfires. When you've had a car auch as the XJ *so* long out there, I guess there's no way you can please everybody. I am sure the new XJ will be a phenomenal car. I am just not sure whether I'll buy a bulky, truly large sedan, ever. I guess we will see.
  • ripinrocketripinrocket Posts: 157

    Obviously you want to hear otherwise you wouldn't be reading and responding.

    It's not my fault nobody is buying the Q45, not my fault the Q45 has pathetic resale value.
  • pluskinpluskin Posts: 79
    Well, let's for example take Jaguar Monthly's preview of the X-type. Basically they stuck the front of the XJ onto a smaller car. Now fundamentally, that's not that far from the truth. But obviously, in reality its not quite that simple. All I am saying is, that its fun to look ahead at what future products may look like, but I would hesitate to pass the judgement that they are going to screw up the next one, based on computer enhancements.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Relax already.

    Truth of the matter is that Q45s have had horiffic resale value. This I know. I am a dealer, I buy them at auctions. I see how cheap they sell for.

    I think that things will be different with the new one, but that's only a guess.

    Chill out guys..

  • I just posted very good pictures of the Next 7 Series. It's pretty impressive!

    Go to my roommate's site:

    The scroll down to the red link to my car page.
  • ripinrocketripinrocket Posts: 157
    those pics of the 7-series are in line with what is in the July issue of Car and Driver magazine. The front end is definately *barf*. The rear end is sorta nice and the interior needs work.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Some posts which were off-topic and clearly designed to inflame have been removed.

    Folks, if you want your post to stay in this discussion, you have got to find a way to express your opinions in the civil and respectful manner called for by your Terms of Use.

    Brentwoodvolvo gave some excellent advice: "Chill out"

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  • rexconde1rexconde1 Posts: 278
    Topic is getting pretty bad, half the time I come in here and it is useless jibberish. Almost not worth keeoing the topic alive...

    Anyway, I cant say I really like that new 7. The rear looks like a concorde, and the front looks like a combo Z9 with an audi.

    I have talked with several of the other dealers and they agree that they dont like the looks of the new 7.

  • fennfenn Posts: 197
    I like the photos of the new Beemer. I have confidence that in its final rendition it will be attractive and classic...just like the past incarnations of the 7 series.

    In light of recent issues here, I expect that the same party who stated that.."the front end is definately barf" will have a need to debate this over and over again...This is counterproductive to good discussion. Instead, why don't we try to state our future opinions in more subdued and respectful tone. OK?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    That is EXACTLY what needs to happen here.

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  • bitkahunabitkahuna Posts: 206
    I don't remember all that I've posted, but Pat, did you have to delete any of my posts!? I've tried not to be out of line.
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    How can the poster exclaim that the front end of the new 7 is "barf"? It looks like the front end of a new 3, just a bit wider and more updated. It isn't as radical as the Q's front end, nor the S-Class. It is traditional BMW. I don't see where people's problems are with the projection? It looks like a curvier 7, nothing more. The back end is high- so that's probably a show car thing. As are those space aged back lights. Otherwise, in silhouette, the car is gorgeous~ A.R.
  • bitkahunabitkahuna Posts: 206

    Click on the small pics for bigger ones with MUCH more detail.

  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    Thanks bitkahuna- so now we have the real story. And it looks like that is the design (which I love), and we get more info on the iDrive system. If you think about it, it makes sense. Where does your hand rest when driving? At your side. Not at eye level where the usual climate/stereo/nav controls are. So, put a joystick there. You can rest your hand in it's normal position, look at the big screen and control everything. It IS simple. Now, we'll have to see if they make it easy. Hopefully there aren't too many menus to scroll through before you get to what you want. We'll see though~ A.R.
  • is4b2rdis4b2rd Posts: 66
    Take a look at the offical BMW AG site at

    The technology on this car trumps the S-Class by leaps and bounds. I hated the car when I first started seeing spy pics, but have grown to admire it. I think it will look much better, more impressive when seen in person. I think it will be more akin to the old W140, which is what BMW designed it to, not the W220. That is why they were shocked to see the sleek W220. But I do believe the interior materials on this car will also trump the W220. "This is not your dads BMW" might be an appropriate term. :-)

    Frankly, I think the new BMW continues the typical German Teutonic styling. Mercedes has chosen to soften it's edges more, more like a Japanese auto.

    Just my humble opinion, please no rants and raves.

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