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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    That X5 interior is absolutely beautiful. I love that color combo scheme.

    On the MDX, what I've come up with is Acura's usual restraint. They don't won't to over do it, but they don't sweat the details enough to make a potential buyer go "wow", much unlike an Audi or Lexus or MB GL buyer would do. The fake wood is a bit of a let down, especially with the brand being reported saying that they are wanting to take the MDX up market. But if they've improved the handling dynamics and have eliminated that floaty ride, it may be worth a look.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    I they think it takes 93 days average to sell just one Navigator off a lot, then wait to one of the buyers go to upgrade from the 3 year old model to new to only find out they can't read the gauges because they're from 50 YEARS AGO.

    And to boot, with a Cadillac dealer usually very close to the Lincoln dealer it will be very hard to:

    Move the MKS= CTS
    Move the MKZ= SRX
    Move the Navigator= Escalade
    Move the T/C= America's fav. domestic, the DTS

    And the LS doesn't stand a chance against an STS
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    The EPA did not expect the automakers to be able to rise to the new certification laws set forth by the government until 2010 at the very earliest.

    Well when MB saw that the demand for the E320 CDI started to exceed supply, things got pretty interesting at DCX. So much so that they've put a ML, GL, S, and even some 300 and Charger Bluetec Chryslers through the ringer with the EPA to get certification. And with the outcry for more fuel efficient cars in all classes, the automakers have gotten the technology to the table faster than expected.

    So now there are addendums and by-laws attached in an attempt to smack down the car guys. But they're not going away easily.

    You've got automakers collaborating on diesel-electric technology. You've got an automaker that has just poured an extra $1B in it's HSD program. And it goes on and on.

    With the EPA actually asking makers to have an override to not let the car start if it's deemed not efficient enough is a testament of how far they'd go. Well the damage is done. Where were they in the last 100 years??
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah I'm really curious to see how this plays out. Once this hurdle is cleared there will be a sizeable diesel push by the Germans I predict. BMW has a particularly strong 6-cylinder engine in Europe. I think C&D tested a 330d recently and asked the question whether or not it was the best 3-Series. I think between the E/GL/R/ML and upcoming S and even the C, I think MB can move about 40K diesels a year. I think.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah Lincoln is just wandering around aimlessly. The new MKS sedan they have coming next year won't have a V8. Makes no sense because it is based on the new Volvo S80 chassis and the Volvo will offer the V8. Then there is Linc's new naming convention. MKX, MKS, MKZ nothing but mass confusion, IMO.

    I just came to realize another why American car companies can't make any headway, they don't stick to anything. Who comes out with a car and changes the name and facelifts it for the second model year? This is the case with the Zephyr. I mean doesn't that confuse buyers and make the first year car something of an orphan? They'll run with a nameplate for a few redesigns and then dump it, usually after they're ruined it anyway so I guess I can see why they change, but it is still a defeatism practice.

    The only real bright spot, IMO is that new crossover , the MK something.

    M
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The rest of the interior more than makes up for it IMO-a truly fine job by Acura.

    If I were purchasing an SUV, it is the driveability of the new MDX being compared to Porsche and BMW, rather than a thin strip of test tube "wood" that would be enhancing my decision.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well for the latest edition of the most popular dictionary sold in Florida, there is a picture next to the definition of "worst" to help explain the word's meaning, and it is of Chris Simms and those miserable Bucs. :mad:
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    In the past, BMW has always saved its finest interior for the X5.
    I have driven the 4.4 and it was superb.
    That's where you will find some beautiful wood.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes. The battlestar front grill is what I like least too. Must be a horrible reflector when hit by sunlight.

    I would imagine Acura designers in attempting to bring the vehicle away from its staid exterior got carried away and made it a bit too garish.
    Still not a deal breaker, IMO.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hmm, the picture next to "worst" in dictionaries in these parts is of the Redskins. ;)
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I still think I like the new X5's interior better.

    It is very nice, but there still is a bit of "tiny button syndrome" despite the iDrive, and I'm not crazy about that shifter, though its better than the ML's stubby column shifter.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yeah Lincoln is just wandering around aimlessly. The new MKS sedan they have coming next year won't have a V8. Makes no sense because it is based on the new Volvo S80 chassis and the Volvo will offer the V8. Then there is Linc's new naming convention. MKX, MKS, MKZ nothing but mass confusion, IMO.

    I think the idea is to use forced induction with the Duratec 35, rather than the V8. How long the S80 will offer the V8 is in question. Ford wants to kill use of the Yamaha V8, because of its expense. The only option I see is to either switch to the AJ-V8, or kill the S80 V8 entirely.

    I just came to realize another why American car companies can't make any headway, they don't stick to anything. Who comes out with a car and changes the name and facelifts it for the second model year?

    This was brought up in a C&D ed piece a few months back. They mentioned that both Accord and Camry have been on sale in the U.S. for almost 30 years. Sales have always been good, and neither has required a name change.

    The only real bright spot, IMO is that new crossover , the MK something.

    The MKX, which is a Ford Edge clone. I'm sure Lincoln in their infinite wisdom will come up with a way to ruin any chance of success, count on the interior designers for that.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    My vote is still for the Bucs.
    3 points in 2 games. :sick:
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Yeah I'm really curious to see how this plays out. Once this hurdle is cleared there will be a sizeable diesel push by the Germans I predict. BMW has a particularly strong 6-cylinder engine in Europe. I think C&D tested a 330d recently and asked the question whether or not it was the best 3-Series. I think between the E/GL/R/ML and upcoming S and even the C, I think MB can move about 40K diesels a year. I think.

    I know one way it will play out . . . Show me a really nice diesel SUV, and it's mine. I'll be an instant buyer . . . no discount required! Only condition is that it is not humongous.

    TagMan
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    VW T'Regg V10-TDI???? With the company reworking the thing from top to bottom/inside out, it's no brainer.

    For '07(late), the V10 gets a messaged 5.0L TDI, in excess of 325hp/530lb-ft of torque thanks to the use of trick piezo injectors for a more sophisticated and instantaneous fuel delivery(in other words, this is the same stuff MB is installing on the new Bluetecs, so no more cold-start up clatter and the smoke is history). The suspension system has been recalibrated for more refinement, and the interior has been cranked up a notch even further, definetely not lacking in that department.

    BTW: I can't think of one 5k pound SUV that can get 20/26mpg earned EPA city/highway.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    VW's SUV has a terrific interior.

    I forgot to mention the all-important third-row requirement . . . which makes the MB GL with the upcoming diesel the only contender I know of so far . . . unless that beautiful X5 finally goes diesel, or the upcoming diesel VW gets a third row.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Interesting. Jaguar continues to prove itself, but to what result?

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    TagMan
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,674
    If you're looking at the up and coming...then the Q7 with the V8 TDI or the V12TDI would do.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    think C&D tested a 330d recently and asked the question whether or not it was the best 3-Series

    Was that article written before or after they tested the BMW335i?
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    An excellent idea now that purchasing is on contention that there is a third row available.

    Audi has recently scrubbed the notion of the V8 diesel that they use in the Euro markets as it would prove useless to retrofit it for the now-stringent US emission laws.

    With that being said, the company says it will now use the same V10-TDI from VW(Porsche is also said to use this engine) that is ready for sale 45 states right now. But the racing -derived V12 TDI is still own, along with a sportier Q7 with a hi-po version of Audi's new CPRI 4.2L V8 that they'll use in the new A8.

    BTW: The Sport and TDI version will get DSG. How cool is that?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I thought Canadian car prices were inflated until I read that in South Korea luxury cars are double the US price level

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  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Toyota reported today that the company would raise worldwide output about 40%, by 2008!!!

    They also mentioned that they will increase production for the US market by 25%, thanks in no small part to the launch of the new Tundra(as ugly as it may be) and it's heavy-duty variants, a first for a US market Toyota pick-up.

    The projected rankings for worldwide domination will end as follows:

    The General: 13.9%
    Toyota: 12.3%
    Ford: 12.0%

    Yes folks, Toyota will beat Ford worldwide. They also said that that there will be a major shift towards Eastern Europe and China, areas that GM absolutely dominates. By 2010, if GM stays on it's steady pace and Toyota's output actually works, Toyota would become #1, reports suggests.
  • blkhemi:

    Where do you get your info? To my knowledge, Toyota already surpassed GM since early 2006 (world market).

    The news that Toyota just surpassed Ford and reached No.2 was regarding US sales.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I hope as they ramp up production they will be able to keep track of their quality control. So far with all their major recalls that has certainly not happened.

    What is Toyota without reliability and quality? Obviously nothing more than a GM! I guess it's really tough being number one.

    The greatest competitive advantage for any auto company is not to have any dealings with the UAW. Fortunately Toyota is not drowned by humungous healthcare/pension legacy costs.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    You might want to do some checking. GM sells far more vehicles in Europe, China, Australia, South America than Toyota.

    Believe blkhemi's numbers are correct.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Appears Dr. Z's message about MB engineering in Chryslers is just not working as planned. He is certainly no Iaccoca. Here is a little blurb from Wall Street Journal.

    Created by the Detroit office of Omnicom Group's BBDO, the "Dr. Z" campaign cost $100 million and has been running since July. It relies on Mr. Zetsche, with his distinctive, bushy mustache and German accent, for a light-hearted setting of a somewhat complicated message about how Chrysler cars share engineering and design features with higher-priced Mercedes sedans, or how Jeep SUVs are clean and fuel efficient.

    But the ads have become the butt of scorn from some ad critics, even though industry research shows the ads were memorable. Critics often pointed to studies showing that many people believed Dr. Z wasn't a real person. Detroit area resident Carrie Belcher, who has a Jeep Grand Cherokee and Volkswagen Passat in her family, said she assumed he was a fake character and was surprised to learn he was DaimlerChrysler's CEO. But she said the ads made her laugh. "I thought it was kind of fun that the CEO was that quirky and funny," she said. (Mr. Zetsche does have a doctorate in engineering.)

    The Chrysler Group vigorously defends the ads, saying the campaign did its job of informing consumers about what Chrysler stands for.

    The TV, radio and print portions of the Dr. Z campaign are currently suspended so the company can focus on its clearance sale and new model launches over the next two months


    SOURCE: WALL STREET JOURNAL SEPT 18 2006
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Appears Dr. Z's message about MB engineering in Chryslers is just not working as planned. He is certainly no Iaccoca. Here is a little blurb from Wall Street Journal.

    The A.E. was on them from day one about those terrible ads. According to Pete, the ads have actually cost DCX more than $200m, without increasing showroom traffic one iota.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yes folks, Toyota will beat Ford worldwide. They also said that that there will be a major shift towards Eastern Europe and China, areas that GM absolutely dominates. By 2010, if GM stays on it's steady pace and Toyota's output actually works, Toyota would become #1, reports suggests.

    Ford is in big, big trouble. They are slashing (another?) 30K jobs, and closing several more plants as part of "Way Forward 2.0, Mulally addition". They still depend much to heavily on the F-150 and their trucks. The market is going to drop out right under the Explorer. Expedition? Fuggetaboutit. Mercury is done for. Literally no new products until something like 2012.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    With all this talk of Toyota becoming number one and turning into a GM or beating out Ford, let's not forget that in just the last two years alone, Toyota has had two major recalls totalling a whopping 1,750,000 vehicles worldwide. These recalls were not minor as both of these recalls were due to potential steering failure!

    But, interestingly, nobody thinks about it. They only remember the Ford Explorer's tires, which Ford didn't even manufacture!

    Toyota can do no wrong it would seem, even when a colossal 1.75 million cars worldwide could have lost their steering!

    Go figure.

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    But, interestingly, nobody thinks about it. They only remember the Ford Explorer's tires, which Ford didn't even manufacture!

    Its not as if Ford had no clue that tire problems could happen. They didn't want to pay for safe tires.

    As for Toyota, read the Edmunds article, Perception is reality. People are willing to give Toyota the benefit of the doubt that they are serious about fixing the recent quality issues, because of their sterling Toyota = quality reputation. The domestics made junk for 20 years, so its a bit harder for them to say "you gotta listen to us, I know we've said this every year for the last 20 years, but the cars really are good now.
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