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  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Sorry to hear you had "issues" with the mighty LS. :cry:

    DrFill
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Some artist. The driver looks like an "Aryan" from the 1940's.
    Heh! Heh!


    lol. Max Headroom, or something to that effect. You've really got me cracking up here. :D

    But, c'mon already. What did you think of the video of the REAL R8? Don't tell me you couldn't see it because you're on dial-up or something like that. All Bimmer owners have DSL, right? ;)

    TagMan
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    This new Audi one-ups Mercedes and BMW in that they don't have a true "sports car" in their lineup. The SLR is a GT car in reality, and the BMW M Roadster and M Coupe are sports cars, but they aren't 911-grade like this new R8. Now watch as BMW and Mercedes bring out real sports cars in the next 2-3 years. BMW will do it on their own and Mercedes will either let AMG loose to do it their way (as they did with the new V8) or they'll lean on McLaren again. Anyway, this new Audi is stunning and full of interesting details:

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    First BMW with their new X5 and now Audi, new shifter designs abound. Mercedes will come up with one that shift by looking at it or mount it on the roof.

    This R8 is a "platform sharing" done at the highest and most competent level possible. Brilliant.

    M
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    This new Audi one-ups Mercedes and BMW in that they don't have a true "sports car" in their lineup. The SLR is a GT car in reality, and the BMW M Roadster and M Coupe or sports car, but they aren't 911-grade like this new R8.

    Anyway, this new Audi is stunning and full of interesting details

    Finally. I knew you'd come through. I've been trying, but failing miserably, to wake up this sleepy crowd to this beautiful and interesting new R8.

    So, thanks for coming to the resue.

    Did you, by chance see the video on the R8 microsite? It's well done, IMO. Here's the link again, just in case anybody missed it.

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    I would love to drive this car, if I ever get the chance.

    TagMan
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Np. ;)

    Did you, by chance see the video on the R8 microsite? It's well done, IMO

    Not yet, I'm still reading all the details as well as all the hoopla on other sites I belong to. The Audi guys are doing cyber back flips and cartwheels!

    More importantly the R8 finally gives Audi a true gee-whiz car, something they need badly from a brand point of view. All sedans, wagons and suvs is boring no matter how gorgeous they are when you don't have something special in the lineup. The A4/S4 Cabrios can only generate so much fizz!

    M
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    More importantly the R8 finally gives Audi a true gee-whiz car, something they need badly from a brand point of view. All sedans, wagons and suvs is boring no matter how gorgeous they are when you don't have something special in the lineup.

    This Audi R8 . . . it is a huge breath of fresh air, IMO. I wait and wait as the years go by, and I truly relish the rare and wonderful moments when a significant automotive achievement happens.

    This is one of those moments, IMO. This Audi R8 is a masterful creation.

    I expect and hope the road tests ultimately prove it to be nothing short of sensational, as I believe it is.

    Yes, brilliant.

    TagMan
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Gasp!

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    The killer part of this car is in the details. The Audi interior masters really worked hard on this one.

    This is one of those moments, IMO. This Audi R8 is a masterful creation. I hope the road tests ultimately prove it to be nothing short of sensational, as I believe it is.

    Now the biggest question is whether or not we'll see that new 6.0L V12 diesel in the R8 engine bay! I'll predict that in addition to the diesel they'll be some version of the V10 in the S6/S8 and maybe even a W12 version. The W12's compact engine design will come into play here. The price for this first RS4-engined version is like 104,000 Euros from what I'm reading.

    M
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Between the two LS', they went 9 times, 3 times severe involving the engine sludge and tranny probs...

    These things happen. My '96 LS needed new rear shocks at 90K miles. The '01 needed a new oil seal awhile back. Thats it. Both issues were taken care of during regular scheduled service. From what I understand, the vast majority of LS ownership experiences are very positive. Lexus has a very high repeat customer rate, and its certainly not due to sexy styling or world class handling.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The killer part of this car is in the details

    That's right, merc.

    The closer you look, the better it looks!

    and . . .

    The more you look, the more you like!

    Your comment on the powerplants is perceptive, because it illustrates that those Audi engineers and designers have engineered and designed a bright and exciting future into this car as well.

    TagMan
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    because it illustrates that those Audi engineers and designers have engineered and designed a bright and exciting future into this car as

    Oh definitely. European carmakers rarely design a vehicle that won't accept most of their engines. VW made a rare mistake when they designed the current Golf-Rabbit/Jetta platform in a way that they aren't able to fit the Passat's 3.6L V6 into it. A rare, but big blunder IMO. A R36 version of either the Jetta or Rabbit would have been hellish. A 280hp version of the new Eos would have been the icing on the cake for that car, IMO.

    The German big three stuff every engine they have into nearly all their cars except for the extremes likes V12s in C-Classes/A4 and 4-cylinders in the upper models like a S or 7-Series, but nearly every engine in between does duty everywhere. Mercedes plugged the new 5.5L V8 in CL/E/SL/CLK/CLS in a matter of months after it debuted in the S-Class. Ditto for the new AMG V8, it will be everywhere in a matter of months. Gotta love a de-badged BMW/Mercedes/Audi on the autobahn in Germany. It could be a wheezing 190hp diesel or a 604hp V12 monster!

    M
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    German big three stuff every engine they have into nearly all their cars

    Interestingly that is currently not the case with BMW. The 3.0 twin turbo is sold solely in the 3 series. BMW has no intention at this point of time in introducing a 535i. (assuming the news I read so far is not outdated).

    I find the 07 model year for BMWs quite peculiar. BMW 530/525s will sell side by side with BMW 335i and 328i models. Doesn't make much sense to me since bigger and more expensive models do deserve more power?

    Although that is not as bad as in the UK where they still sell BMW 523i models. In the late 90s I rememember being shocked when I saw a BMW 518i (e39) in London England.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,669
    Probably outdated; I can't see a small company like that spending the resources developing that engine exclusively for the 3 series.

    With the 335's nice torque characteristics I'd expect it to go into everything...all the way up to the 7 series (for Euro cars that is).

    The 5 series does seem to have been left “hanging” with the older engines. A 535 wagon (6 spd) would make a nice family hauler.

    Unless of course it was just a “stop gap” and they have something even better coming (what could be better?).
  • this Audi kool-aid drinker is right with y'all. Boy that car is stunning. As always with Audi, the devil is in the details. I posted a while ago about spotting two new S6's at my local Audi dealer. [1 of 3 dealers actually] The attention to detail is astonishing, the double piped stitching was riveting. Not a suspect stitch anywhere. Simply gorgeous... I could go on and on.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Although that is not as bad as in the UK where they still sell BMW 523i models. In the late 90s I rememember being shocked when I saw a BMW 518i (e39) in London England.

    I felt the same way when I first saw an Merc E200 in the UK.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Yet another award for troubled Jaguar . . . "Car of the Year"!

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    Since the Jaguar XK went on sale in March this year, Jaguar has taken more than 9,000 orders and delivered 5,000 vehicles worldwide. The XK has won eight awards in total since its launch, including ‘Car of the Year’ at the Auto Express Awards 2006.

    Hard to believe?

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    hpowders - you are so right about Hyundai. Here's some more proof.

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    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Well you're not into SUV pigs.

    I have difficulty understanding why most North Americans prefer heavier SUVs that can easily be out-handled and out-performed by far lighter wagons that have about the same and in some cases even more interior space?

    Ofcourse I would favor a SUV myself if lived in a rural area where off-roading is a requirement. But if that was the case then I would definitely favor a truck-like SUV over those focus-marketing group car-like crossover creations like the BMW X3 or the Lexus RX350.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    I think it is partly image and partly utility. Surely the germancarfans here can understand the desire for "image"?

    What do I mean by utility? Compare an E wagon to a GX or LX for instance. If you want people in the third row on occasion, the third row is less roomy on the E, and any cargo will potentially be sloshing around and hitting those passengers. Plus, the cargo space in a SUV is generally much taller than in a wagon.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    , but you really won't know this until the specs for the next M3 are made known. I think BMW knows that the next M3 has to be smashingly brilliant to warrant the expense over a mere 335i.

    That may very well be the case.

    But a twin turbo producing only about 35 to 40 hp more than a naturally aspirated i6 seems to me a mere sliver of what potential a twin turbo really has. I am almost certain that in the not too distant future BMW will have a more potent 340hp/340 lbs torque twin turbo engines to compete with the likes of a future 3.7L powered Infiniti G .

    And in that future case the V8 400hp/320 lbs of torque engine in the M3 will appear less impressive.

    This is all speculation on my part and I may be completely wrong. BUT all I can say is that BMWs top priority will be to make their "bread and butter" BMWs far more powerful in order to exceed or keep up with the likes of far more potent future Infinitis and Lexuses even if that means cannibalizing sales of their M series.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    What is all this hullabalooo about Hyundai?

    The spanking new Hyundai Sonata has difficulty competing with the new Camry or even the dated Accord. Hyundai still has a long way to go in this mainstream sedan segment let alone in the luxury/perfomrance sedan segment.

    As I mentioned previously I cant complain about the greatness of Hyundai styling but I am still awaiting greatness in Hyundai drivetrain/chassis engineering!

    Before Lexus existed Toyota was renowned for its good engineering. That is currently not the case with Hyundai.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Ofcourse I would favor a SUV myself if lived in a rural area where off-roading is a requirement. But if that was the case then I would definitely favor a truck-like SUV over those focus-marketing group car-like crossover creations like the BMW X3 or the Lexus RX350.

    The RX appeals to a certain type of person. My wife is not a driving enthusiast, so the superior handling of a wagon was not important to her. She's a shortie (5'4") and a high driving position makes her feel safe. She also didn't want to buy German, and the only wagon available from the Japan three was the IS 5-door, which didn't have AWD, the driving position, or the space she wanted.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Syswei and Lexusguy,

    your choices are definitely justifiable. It all depends on your or your spouse's priorities.
    But in my paritcular case the sacrifice in performance/handling is just too high with any SUV.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thanks for the link. Hyundai is definitely sneaking up there but as Lexusguy notes, the tough part may be overtaking Honda, not Toyota.

    I see enough good writeups on the Accord EX V6, to test drive one and potentially add it to my collection of one as an inducement to get my wife to learn to drive. I ain't getting any younger. Somebody's got to take me for those dreaded "visits" when I am starting to rapidly oxidize.

    No. She CANNOT practice on the 545! ;)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well, as you are aware, the MDX was tested on a German racing track. The handling is there. But the mpg is dismal.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    No. She CANNOT practice on the 545!

    LOL,

    I taught my automatic driving wife how to drive manual with my BMW323 (e46). I still wonder if the new owner of my 323i is using the same clutch?
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    the MDX was tested on a German racing track. The handling is there. But the mpg is dismal.

    MPG is only dismal in comparison to less-roomy sedans. It is actually pretty good compared to other SUVs. For instance, Edumund's first drive of the MDX: "17/22 mpg despite the increase in output and approximate 100-pound weight gain....the 2007 MDX is more fuel-efficient than the X5 3.0i's 15/19 mpg or [V6] Cayenne's 15/21 mpg." I don't have numbers but imho the MDX will prove roomier than either of the Germans, to boot.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    What gets me about the SUV people is how so many of them drive them like they are 325i's. Quite recklessly, IMO.

    I asked my lady neighbor next door why she drives an SUV. She told me it is definitely safer than a sedan.
    I didn't answer. Can't talk higher center of gravity with someone like that.
    These folks think that all wheel drive is going to save them in a sharp emergency maneuver. Tragically, some of them will find out otherwise.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    What gets me about the SUV people is how so many of them drive them like they are 325i's. Quite recklessly, IMO.

    People feel safer in SUVs and that encourages reckless driving. Are the SUVs actually safer? Depends on what your are looking for. A 5000-lb SUV is safer in a crash with a 4000-lb car than another 4000-lb car is. But as you point out, the high center of gravity makes the SUV worse in other respects.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    People feel safer in SUVs and that encourages reckless driving. Are the SUVs actually safer? Depends on what your are looking for. A 5000-lb SUV is safer in a crash with a 4000-lb car than another 4000-lb car is.

    That's very questionable. Take the Civic, for example. A small and lightweight car should fare poorly in a crash, yet its gotten perfect test scores. Meanwhile, plenty of SUVs do very poorly.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I see enough good writeups on the Accord EX V6, to test drive one and potentially add it to my collection of one as an inducement to get my wife to learn to drive.

    Just about every review I've seen of the Accord says its a great car that could be magnificent if it had proper tires on it. Honda saddles it with very mediocre A\S OEM tires. Fortunately, thats a very easy problem to fix. I'm pretty sure it has the most 10-best wins of any car, and thats hard to ignore. Btw, since the Accord Hybrid has been a general sales failure, I'm sure there are good deals on them.
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