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  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Fair enough!

    That will be my very last defense for Lexus tonight. ;)
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Your latest information regarding the BlueTec's use of the urea additive to be compliant in all 50 states is, therefore, the same as mine. It would seem that there is no corroboration of blkhemi's interpretation of the program with Doctor Z at this point in time.

    I've gotta give huge kudos to Honda for their innovation here, in providing a 50-state diesel without the need for additives.

    Mercedes should consider paying Honda to use its catalyst technology. But, of course, that won't happen.

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    A diesel Acura TL V6 SH-AWD would be a very interesting car!
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Below a certain price level I tend to always favor Hondas
    Above a certain price level I tend to always favor BMWs.
    I guess I like car companies with a motorcycle tradition(although that does not explain my dislike for Suzuki cars)
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    A diesel Acura TL V6 SH-AWD would be a very interesting car!

    Yes it would. The question then would be, what is the point of the RL? I think many buyers ask that question already, if they haven't they will for 07 with the TL-S sitting on the same showroom floor.

    M
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    although that does not explain my dislike for Suzuki cars

    The reason for your dislike for Suzuki cars is . . . Suzuki cars. ;)

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Based on the latest survey from Strategic Vision Inc. BMW ranks as the number one brand in the industry in terms of customer satisfaction.

    San Diego-based Strategic Vision surveyed more than 64,000 people who purchased new vehicles from October 2005 to March 2006. Participants were questioned after 90 days of ownership. The study, separate from Strategic Vision's quality survey, tries to capture whether consumers believe they got their money's worth and factors in emotional components.

    Overall, BMW AG outperformed all companies, including Honda, but because it sells only luxury vehicles and the Mini sports coupe and convertible, it is not considered a full-line automaker.

    As mentioned above the survey focuses on how satisfied a customer is with his/her car and not on how many problems arose with his/her car.

    So it appears reliability issues may not affect the satisfaction of car ownership as much as what you would think--- escpecially after reading CR auto surveys. In other words the reliability issues faced by BMW owners are so insignificant that they do not at all affect BMW's highest ranking in terms of ownwer satisfaction .While the stellar non-existent reliability issues faced by Lexus owners does not increase the satisfaction of owning a Lexus as much as you would think it would.

    Interestingly Toyota's satisfaction survery rankings are declining relative to Hyundai rankings.

    BOTTOM LINE: There is more to owning a car than just reliability.

    SOURCE: FORBES
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I guess I like car companies with a motorcycle tradition(although that does not explain my dislike for Suzuki cars)

    Well, Suzuki cars are awful. I don't think anyone likes them, not even owners. Half of them are actually Daewoos anyway. Suzuki would be better off just staying the motorcycle game with Kawasaki and Yamaha. Kawasaki actually has a faster bike than the Turbo Busa, they can't let that stand.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,065
    BMW did not win anything because they are not a full line manufacturer. They had some high scores, thanks primarily to the MINI, which has a legendary cult following.

    The ACTUAL WINNERS.....Honda first, Toyota second. Nice spin though.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Based on the latest survey from Strategic Vision Inc. BMW ranks as the number one brand in the industry in terms of customer satisfaction.

    Are you aware of any JD Power survey that is similar to the Strategic Vision survey?

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "BMW ranks as the number one brand in the industry."

    Yes. I saw that report but was too modest to announce it. :blush:
    We BMW drivers are used to this praise and don't need to brag about it.

    You and I both know that BMW is the greatest auto manufacturer in the world. We don't really need to see it time after time in survey after survey.

    The only company mentioned in the same breath was the great Honda Motor Company.

    Yes, as I have been writing here time after time, Toyota is on the way down and Hyundai is on the way up.

    The big 3 in family sedans will soon be Honda, Hyundai and Toyota in decreasing rank. This is as inevitable as Road and Track finding the LS 460 doesn't brake as well as the LS 430.

    Let me just finally say, thank you so much Chris Bangle and the entire Bavarian gang for creating such stylish, beautiful, exciting vehicles to drive which enables every exciting Hanes Brief-twisting turn to be such an exciting thrill.

    BMW, your Strategic Vision victory while well-deserved, is also, entirely unsurprising.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Are you aware of any JD Power survey that is similar to the Strategic Vision survey?

    No I dont. I remember reading years ago that the Strategic Vision survey is a far more comprehensive in terms of ownership experiences than various JD Power surveys.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Yes. I saw that report but was too modest to announce it.
    We BMW drivers are used to this praise and don't need to brag about it.


    Sometimes your modesty and humbleness can be a bit overwhelming ;)
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,678
    The ACTUAL WINNERS.....Honda first, Toyota second. Nice spin though

    That is technically correct.

    But as far as HELM's go, the winner is BMW.

    The rules could also state that the manufacturer has to make robots that walk; and BMW would lose that as well, but as far as HELM's go...it shouldn't matter
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    "Disappointing in the sense that a 0-60 mph time of 6.0 seconds is unacceptable for a sedan with a big V-8."

    Ah, so now the reality comes out. The article was merely disappointing to you! 0-60 is unacceptable for a sedan with a big V-8? oh ok....so does that make 5.9 acceptable?

    Funny!
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    BMW did not win anything because they are not a full line manufacturer.

    OK let me get this straight-- I am driving a car whose marque is rated the higest but does not qualify because BMW is not a full line manufacturer?

    OK I gotcha. But unfortunately that little technicality you have pointed out does not stop me or Howard or most BMW drivers from enjoying our cars the most in the entire auto industry.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Well first off guys, the show did happen on Speed, so need to sniff to find the truth.

    Secondly, even with the urea bladder, the actual size of it is said to be smaller than a gallon jug of milk(out goes the space concern) and with the utilization of chemicals that can outlive the life of the car, again, the maintenance issue is non-existant.

    And on Honda, we don't know what the engine is. And we are still talking about the the reigning and forever king of diesel engine building and technology. Furthermore, the MB is right here right now, not some hopeful concept. What, will the same thing be said when BMW comes out with the first mass-market diesel electric(not including locamotives)? Or Audi when the new gen TDI's get here and be the cleanest diesels on the road by far?(They're doing the samething as Honda, but will feature 8-catalyst and 1 particulate net for virtual PZERO emission ratings)

    This is not to crash Honda, as we all know they build solid powertrains. But questionable blunders like the turbo "X3 fighter" that gets worse mileage than the bigger and more powerful MDX, and a V6 in the RL that gets worst than V8 mileage(why not have the V8 anyway) is enough to keep much speculation in the air...
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    That's interesting.

    Let's see. There is:
    The X3/X5-(the must have SUV)

    The 3-Series(the envy of all cars in it's class that comes in 3 configurations, not just 1, like the IS currently does)

    The 5-Series(the midsize car that keeps all car companies up at night

    The 7-Series(the large car that has a lot of negative misconceptions, and some rightfully so, but still a very solid car that can outdance them all, even tip-toe with the QP)

    The 6-Series(much of a frown up front, but with serious meat and potatoes that can shake an SC430 off of it's all-season's)

    Then there are the cool cars like the Z4, that as vanilla as the 2.5i version, all the way to the super hot Z4/M that actually gives the Porsche Cayman a nervous jitter.

    And the upcoming Z8 redux and Z9, cars that are hugely anticipated. As is the upcoming GL-fighter full-size X7.

    So to sum it up, in most respects, BMW is more "full-line" than your fav, Lexus....
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Very true Blkhemi there are very few details about the new Honda diesels for our continent. Also you are correct in stating that Honda's current record for fuel efficiency is not overwhelmingly impressive.

    Honda has been billed as a company that is focused on fuel efficiency due to its history. They introduced the Honda Civic during 1973 just at the time of the OPEC oil embargo. This perfect timing for Honda has created a long lasting halo affect for Honda's fuel efficient image(more of an image than a fact).
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Very true, as the company was so called in the right place at the right time.

    Isn't it funny how history is repeating itself? It took the domestics a full decade to produce something remotely close to the Honda Motor Company's fuel efficiency back then.

    Fast forward 20 years, and nothing has changed much as the domestics still have to play catch up to Toyota and Honda in that respect.

    And maybe I was a little brash at first with Honda, as they're still my favorite Japanese-brand company.

    Yes the RDX could've sipped less fuel, but when the Civic IMA getting Prius-like numbers, not to mention the CRV being the most fuel efficient in it's class of non-hybrid models(altho it's only 3 below the $8k more Escape hybrid), the company is still capable of building them right.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I try, Dewey. I try. :blush:
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Nope! The fat lady sings when that big old V-8 gets it done in 5.5 or faster.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Meanwhile, Dewey and I are laughing all the way through the curves.
    Just don't ask either of us to change the radio from AM to FM.
    What do you think we are, Nobel Prize winners?

    You guys can spin this all you like.
    You know BMW is the best there is for driving dynamics per cost of their vehicles.
    Come on folks. Let's get real!
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    "You guys can spin this all you like".

    You're funny!

    I still can't stop laughing about that 6 second thing!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The number in itself is not the problem.
    The problem is that Lexus claimed 5.5 seconds and C&D found it really should be 6.0. I have never seen a 0-60 mph time off by so much.
    It sure would have looked better if Lexus claimed a 6.0 and C&D found it to be 5.5!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    As far as the number itself is concerned, this is highly serious business. Driving a 5.5 seconds 0-60 mph vehicle instead of a 6 can mean the difference between being first or fourth when I line up for my government assistance check.

    Of course, I park the 545 around back. :blush:
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The problem is that Lexus claimed 5.5 seconds and C&D found it really should be 6.0. I have never seen a 0-60 mph time off by so much.
    It sure would have looked better if Lexus claimed a 6.0 and C&D found it to be 5.5!


    Yeah car makers generally err on the side of being conservative. Makes sense that the magazines are willing to launch borrowed cars very hard to get the best possible 0-60 times. As for the LS460, I think something was wrong with their particular pre-production sample. Hondas across the board have lousy brakes, and usually turn in very long stopping distances. Toyotas though generally do very well. I just don't think Toyota would screw up so bad that they would make a car with 100 more horses that would be slower and brake much worse than the car it replaces. They aren't idiots.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Dozens of cars conk out after getting diesel fuel, instead of gas, from Holbrook station

    SOURCE:South of Boston The Enterprise

    HOLBROOK — Tim Johnson of Abington picked his car up Monday afternoon at Dana's Automotive on South Franklin Street, happy that it was fixed and happy that he did not have to pay the bill.

    His was just one of the repair bills in a stack of some 45 that will be turned over to the owner of the abutting Super Petroleum gas station, where diesel fuel was pumped into a regular-unleaded gasoline storage tank last week and ended up in the tanks of dozens of motor vehicles.

    “They're taking care of it,” Johnson said. “They've been very nice about it.”

    The owner of the gas station, identified in state records as Dana Watson, was not available Monday.

    Carol Kinne, an employee at Dana's Automotive, which is located on the same site, said the gas mix-up occurred with a delivery at 3 a.m. Wednesday, but was not detected until Friday.

    Johnson said he drove his 2000 Grand Marquis some 20 miles before it starting running rough. He had put 14 gallons of diesel fuel into his car's 18-gallon tank on Wednesday.

    Kinne said other vehicles never got out of the gas station.

    “They started shimmering and blowing blue smoke,” she said.

    Many opted for convenience and took their vehicles into Dana's. A couple of vehicles had to be towed back to Dana's.

    Before the real problem was recognized, mechanics did tune-ups or other maintenance on some of the vehicles, she said. After the gas was identified as the problem, the tanks were emptied and cleaned, along with the fuel injectors.

    That should resolve any operational issues related to the diesel, she said.

    The gas station owner also replaced gas to the level that was in the vehicle when it was taken in for repair, Kenne added.

    Some motorists took their vehicles to other garages or dealers, according to Kenne. She said the gas station owner intends to reimburse them for any repair costs if they bring in the invoices.

    A Holbrook man, who identified himself only as “Joe,” said his son had to tear down the engine of his motorcycle after filling the tank with diesel.

    Kurt Doughty of Abington said he has already incurred more than $200 in repair costs since filling the tank of a 1985 Oldsmobile at Super Petroleum on Thursday and it is still not running properly.

    “I'm mad,” Doughty said Monday as he prepared to meet with an attorney today.

    Johnson, meanwhile, said he may have benefited in the long run.

    “I saved on gas this weekend because I couldn't drive my car,” he said
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,065
    The BMW's that made a showing, the 3 class and the Mini are not in the luxury category. Near luxury for the 3 and specialtly for the Mini. Sorry.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

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