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  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    I agree that a "stripped" S500 will hold its value more than a loaded S430. Lets agree to disagree on my belief that everything else being equal, a loaded (special edition, whatever) S500 will hold its value less than a stripped S500. (I think cars are like neighborhoods: the best house in the neighborhood won't do as well in terms of value as the average house; everything reverts back to the mean.)

    Incidentally, the air suspension is so problemattic on Range Rovers that companies offer kits so you can remove the darn air bags and go back to shocks and springs. You can do the whole retrofit for about 2K less than the cost of fixing the air bags. Do used S Classes have major trouble (i.e., expensive repairs) with their air suspension?
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    The S-Class air-suspension is pretty rock solid, in fact one of it's greatest attributes. However, some early ABC-equipped cars were prone to failure. This was fixed during the '03 redesign. My ABC-equipped S65 suspension never had to ber serviced or anything of that nature, despite my rather "enthusiastic" driving habits.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah mine had a little card inside too with the local dealer's info, couldn't really do much with that info! I've wasted enough of their time over the last few years driving cars that are 2 to 3 times the price of what I'd be able to buy from them!

    Idol, I agree totally. While I like your choices for the winner I think I'm going with Ace. He just had a bad week. Hopefully that is what it was. Yeah anything forget words to a song you're gone that is as bad as dropping the mic.

    M
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    ;)

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    Top 10 Cars With the Best Residual Value for 2004
    By Erin Riches
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    Want to buy a car that really holds its value? If resale value is important to you, these are the cars likely to depreciate the least during the ownership period. Below we show the percentage of its original value that each vehicle is likely to retain after five years with an annual mileage of 15,000. Keep in mind that the residual value percentages are based on the national True Market Value® (TMV) price, plus typical options and destination charge. A quick scan of our list shows that import nameplates rule when it comes to retaining their value, Viper and Corvette excepted. Beyond that, it's clear that luxury nameplates hold an edge as well, though the lineups of non-luxury brands like Honda, Toyota and Volkswagen are also well represented.

    Porsche 911 — 57%

    Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class — 53%

    Acura NSX — 52%
    Dodge Viper
    Honda S2000
    Mini Cooper

    BMW Z4 — 51%
    Nissan 350Z

    BMW M3 — 50%

    BMW 3 Series — 49%
    Honda Accord
    Honda Civic
    Volkswagen Jetta
    Volkswagen New Beetle

    Acura RSX — 48%
    Chevrolet Corvette
    Lexus ES 330
    Lexus GS 300
    Lexus GS 430
    Lexus SC 430

    Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG
    Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class
    Mercedes-Benz SLK32 AMG
    Toyota Camry Solara
    Toyota Celica
    Toyota MR2 Spyder

    Audi TT — 47%
    Infiniti G35
    Mercedes-Benz CL-Class
    Mercedes-Benz E-Class
    Toyota Matrix
    Volkswagen GTI
    Volkswagen Passat

    Acura TL — 46%
    Acura TSX
    BMW 5 Series
    Mazda RX-8
    Mercedes-Benz CL55 AMG
    Porsche Boxster
    Subaru Outback
    Toyota Camry
    Volkswagen Golf

    Jaguar S-Type R — 45%
    Lexus IS 300
    Lexus LS 430
    Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG
    Nissan Altima
    Toyota Avalon
    Volvo XC70

    DrFill
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Curious. 911 went from top gun at 57% to below 47% in one year? Or is it just absent from the listing for 2005? Or maybe their discounting which just started around 2003 has something to do with it. CLK is up there from 04 to 05 but it’s not discounted, right? I’d like to see a comprehensive list, not just top/worst 10. The listing seems inconsistent from 04 to 05. Too many questions.

    I haven’t watched much but I like Mandisa. Even if she doesn’t win, I think she has the most talent… knows how to bend those fundamental blues notes, plus her degree is in music, sings professionally and has that passionate gospel-rock background. I could care less if she’s had a few too many slices. She has the kind of demeanor that I think helped Carrie Underwood win it. And remember, Dorothy singing “Over the Rainbow” is the number one song in movie history... the ingenue racks up points. Yep, Kevin needs the hook… very puzzling.

    Ljflx... I was disappointed with the Sopranos... thought they laid it on a little too thick... far fetched. This is probably a stupid question, but is Tony gonna make it? I don't think it's necessarily a lock.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Lots of us HELM forum readers/posters are closing in fast on 60 or are already on the wrong side. Let me pose a question. For a car nut like most of us, what is the best Last New Car?

    Allow me to narrow the range of alternatives. Lets assume that at this stage in your life someone else is handling your boat towing and snow plowing chores, so no pickups, however luxurious. Lets assume further that your kids have moved on (apparently though this is not the trend) and your Irish Wolfehounds have died. So no large SUVs. Lets assume further that you need/want AWD or four wheel drive to get down to Walgreen's to pick up your meds, no matter how bad the weather. Because you are going to buy this car just before you retire and it is going to be your Last New Car you are going to spend a few bucks so you can enjoy your lifetime of hard work and keep it for 10 or so years. Minor reliability problems may or not be of the same significance they were when you were working 65 hours a week and bringing in a car for service was a major hassle. Status concerns may or may not be as significant as when you were taking customers/bankers/vendors to lunch. (Although if you were single and 70, you might be better off in a HELM if you were trying to get something going with your best friends's widow.) Depreciation rates may not be of importance (who cares what your estate may get for it?). Running costs such as fuel, insurance, maintenance will be of concern because of your now fixed income. (Before you quickly think that an E Class diesel is the way to go, re-read Habitat1's post of a year or so ago on this.)

    Whaddya think the best Last New Car is?
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    "Ljflx... I was disappointed with the Sopranos... thought they laid it on a little too thick... far fetched. This is probably a stupid question, but is Tony gonna make it? I don't think it's necessarily a lock"

    I agree on the episode. But if Tony doesn't make it than there's no show. Chase is also playing with us. The whole story about the guy - who came from nowhere - and wants to go to Florida was about his own real life situation. He was the guy that wants to abandon the show and Tony was HBO saying there's no retirement in this business. I think we see Tony in intensive care having dream sequences for a few episodes while his "family" fights for his position as leader and some even plot to kill him in the hospital (Godfather takeoff). This is just my opinion - I have no news on this. Anyway best scene of the opening episode - The Lexus GS cutting off the guys after they ate in the restaurant. Did you see that handling!
  • warthogwarthog Posts: 216
    Easy. Carrera 4 if no back seat is required; 530xi if it is. Caveat: even if you don't need the backseat, you might still choose the BMW if that widow you're courting can't get into the Porsche. Screw the fuel economy--this is the HELM board.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Curious. 911 went from top gun at 57% to below 47% in one year?

    Here are the LATEST projected depreciation values, and, yes designman, the 911 is in the top group. Notice the Lexus LS is only mid point.

    Here it is, straight from the source:

    http://www.alg.com/deprratings.aspx

    TagMan
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    With cars like Mazda3, Civic, Scion tC, and Chrysler 300 haveing average depreciation, along with Lexus LS and S-Class.

    Frontier has 5-star resale value?

    DrFill
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Whaddya think the best Last New Car is?

    Lordy, that’s a depressing thought. The final ride is the Subterranean Bobsled, but I ain’t ready for that yet. I’ll answer the question with this. Which car did you want as a kid? Well, go with the current version, gift your estate to the kids, max out the credit, and drive west into the sunset. Suddenly I have this vision of Thelma and Louise…

    ;-)
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    But if Tony doesn't make it than there's no show.

    I don’t know. There are lots of creative ways to go about it. Sylvio, Christopher and Carmela could wind up on Boston Legal for all we know. And Denny could be sharing a room in hospice with Uncle Junior. Merc and Oac could be the next Google.

    THESE are the days of our lives! (I miss Oac)

    ;-)
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    That’s more like it. But curious is the Boxster which is rated high in Edmunds 04 rating and only 3-star with the 06 ALG. Anyway, I could care less, it’s one of the best, most tossable driver’s cars around. Furthermore, I paid $14K under MSRP for my new leftover with the full warranty. They take a hit in the first model year, then stabilize. Paid 42 for my S and could get at least 32, two-plus years later. IMO best bargain on Porsches are the leftovers or 1-year used. Never buy a Porsche early in the model year.

    If you have a passion for old Porches, and lots of people do, that’s where the best opportunities are. Porsche rules. Screw MB, screw BMW and screw Lexus. Just kiddin’ guys... can you tell which car is close to me heart?

    Compared with reliability, I think depreciation is overrated. As a matter of fact, all of this coffee-klatch junk is overrated. Go with the car that floats your boat. It was good to hear Sam excited with his new S.

    ;-)
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Poor Jaguar only managed a 2-star rating across the board. The XJ as a lightly used buy is pretty hard to argue with though. In 2 years, $35-40K of value simply evaporates into thin air.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    can you tell which car is close to me heart?

    designman,
    I think I may have mentioned to someone here recently (maybe it was you) that I had the very first '97 Boxster, because I placed a deposit three years before it came out. I just recently sold that car. I loved it, even though it needed more power, which the S provided later on, but man, could that car turn a corner into a straight road! My previous 911 Carrera Targa is the car I should have never parted with, but I didn't want to fix the syncromesh problems it had. In hindsight, I wish I had fixed it.
    The new Cayman looks terrific, IMO.

    Anyway, the other thing I wanted to say in response to the other post was that picking up a recent Jaguar XJ as a model leftover or as slightly used is a great way to get so much car for the money. There are really few situations like it. As I look at the big picture, I believe that history will show that right now is one of the best times to get an XJ. Of course a prerequisite is that you need to appreciate the car, and it often seems to be a love/hate relationship when it comes to Jags. Of course that is understandable, considering the way the '03 and prior cars have too often betrayed their owners with a serious lack of reliability and dependability. That's why the the new generation XJ's ('04 and forward) represent an unusual historical window of opportunity, that won't last, IMO.

    TagMan
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    It's really interesting to see that the '06 Caddy DTS' projected value loss is right up there with the big boys: M-B S,SL, Lexus LS among other import brands. The Caddy also beat-out Jaguar XJ, Lincoln TC, and Audi A8. And the good part about it is that it is the one of the best values out there. In fact, would've bought one if the DTS would've been RWD instead of being a nose-heavy fronter.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    What do you mean, "screw the fuel economy.."? A 911 C2 gets an easy 26 mpg. The C4 maybe a little less. If someone couldn't get into a 911, they wouldn't get a ride home.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Very interesting list indeed.

    The big 3/4 pickups that the dealers have to discount the most because nobody is buying, get a four star rating? The GMC Yukon gets three stars whereas its sibling the Chev Tahoe gets 2 stars? Even Edmunds TMV rates the Tahoe as having higher resale. I won't even get into the fact that the now 9 year old Saab 9-5 of which there are STILL some new '05 left overs around gets a four star rating. An old time used car guy would laugh his head off at these.

    Who did the ratings? GM accountants? Anybody who relies on these ratings is going to wind up like the GM stockholders last week after they announced the books were cooked.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Tagman, good post on the XJ buying perspective. If you have a passion for a car and want to keep it for quite some time, the depreciation bargains play right into it. The bad thing about the Jag is that the depreciation curve seems steep and steady. It makes a beeline to absolute zero over the years. The great thing about Porsches is that the depreciation curve stabilizes and there is considerable value and demand for them down the road. Sedans—nada!

    Yes, I recall reading your post about your Porsches. I can’t begin to tell you how much I love driving the Boxster S. I love 911s too and am thinking of getting one. Don’t ask me which one because I love many of them. The pickins are great both new and old. Porsche buying is a sport in itself. If you know what you are doing you can get a lot of pleasure out of older Porsches and give up very little or nothing in depreciation.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    A 911 C2 gets an easy 26 mpg.

    Hmm, I don’t know about easy. I’m pretty sure you’re looking at pure highway driving in 5th and 6th gears.
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