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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I have no live-in kids in a relatively safe suburban area, so I guess I am an ideal leasing candidate.
    But, I can surely understand your potential anxiety.

    My last BMW had a scratch put on it (probably from a Lexophile) of about 2 inches in length. They didn't bother me about it.
    But they do expect new or almost new tires, so now I put them on 2 years into the lease so at least I get some use out of the tires in year 3, whether I need them or not.
  • jcobyjcoby Posts: 140
    Mercedes-Benz has some phenomenal lease rates featured on their website - perhaps even more competitive than BMW's:

    link title

    All for only 27 months! Unfortunately, the S550 is not included - but I would not expect it to offer special lease rates this early in its current model run.
  • As much as I run my pie hole on this thread, I can ill afford to start taking offense at things not directed at me. Just commenting on the fact that, indeed, insults were flying early in the morning.

    I enjoy the Hpowers needling of the Lexites, as well as the Drfill jabs at us. [German geeks] I just went at it with Houdini and his lovely grandmother for goodness sakes. Please don't worry about me being offended.

    And now back to our regularly scheduled roasting...... ;)
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    It is a list of the otherwise (meaning front and side) very safe cars, that were poor in rear crashworthiness.

    Are we still on this? Yes, that is correct, and the bottom line is that Toyota/Lexus's OVERALL rating is now officially lower... a small dent in the Toyota/Lexus bubble.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Sometimes passion gets in the way of reason, and that is understandable from time to time.

    Especially when buying cars! ;)

    But it is best to stay with the reason when posting, please.

    TagMan
  • The good thing about leasing is that you don't have to worry about the car's long term reliability, but you have to live with some annoying restrictions like the amount of miles you can drive, extra insurance obligation, and as mentioned before the up keeping of the vehicle at end of lease...
    Back on topic, according to R & T Magazine, the LS460 is on even footing with the S550 in their performance tests, except for the breaking distance. The tested LS is almost 40K cheaper.

    LS460 ............. S550
    0−60 mph
    5.6 sec ............. 5.7
    0−¼ mile
    14.0 sec ............. 14.2
    Top speed
    130 mph* ............. 130
    Skidpad
    0.80g ............. 0.80
    Slalom
    59.9 mph ............. 60.1

    Minimum stopping distance
    From 60 mph 143 ft ........... 130 ft
    From 80 mph 251 ft ........... 229 ft
    Total swept area 554 sq in. ........... 580 sq in.
    Swept area/ton 248 sq in. ........... 246

    Idle in neutral 38 dBA ........ 48 dBA
    Maximum in 1st gear 66 dBA ........ 66 dBA
    Constant 50 mph 61 dBA ........ 62 dBA
    Constant 70 mph 65 dBA ........ 66 dBA

    test conditions
    Temperature 101˚ F .......... 65
    Humidity 29% ........... 19
    Elevation 350 ft .......... same
    Wind calm ............ same
    Location Irvine, California .......... same

    Turning circle 35.4 ft .......... 40.0 ft
    Price as tested $67015 ......... $106745
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I do believe I have the reputation of being a mild irritant around here.

    Impossible! ;)

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Back on topic, according to R & T Magazine, the LS460 is on even footing with the S550 in their performance tests, except for the breaking distance. The tested LS is almost 40K cheaper.

    Was that on a short LS460 or a long-wheelbase LS460L? Because only the LS460L can appropriately be compared to the S550. The price would be much closer and the performance results completely different for the LS460L... Afterall, the LS460 and LS460L do not have the same performance specs.

    TagMan
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    the bottom line is that Toyota/Lexus's OVERALL rating is now officially lower... a small dent in the Toyota/Lexus bubble.

    Absolutely, it is lower with the new tests than it was before. But is it lower than how people on this board perceived Lexus to be, safetywise, before ever looking at the IIHS data? I doubt it. Few here would have seen Lexus as producing safer sedans than say, MB. Certainly none of the germancarfans. Yet even with the "now officially lower" safety ratings, Lexus sedans look safer than MB's! Tell me you're not surprised by that.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    only the LS460L can appropriately be compared to the S550. And the results can not be the same. The LS460 and LS460L do not have the same performance specs.

    When MB gets around to introducing an S450, it follows that we should then ignore any comparo of the LS460 to the S550, including the C&D comparo, right?
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    In my opinion the article did not give the full picture of all the manufacturers and how they compare to one another. The article was focused on the fact that Toyota/Lexus's overall rating was now worse than it had been prior to the new test study, essentially a dig at toyota, IMO, for having most of the worst ratings in that particular study.

    That's how I see it.

    TagMan
  • Ratings aside, those brake test results for the 460 are unacceptable. A deal breaker for me, we will stay with the wife's LS 430, thank you. (see how I used both brake and break in the same post, correctly, I think).
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    It is not uncommon to compare apples to oranges, but like that crash test, you need to look carefully at the data and understand what is REALLY going on.

    It is more logical to compare similar vehicles, when possible, IMO.

    TagMan
  • It was the regular LS. Why are two cars not comparable? The LS460L is simply the more luxury version of the LS, so it is actually not logical going to LWB and expect better performance. You should be looking for better luxuries...
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    Yep, good fun. I was really steamed over those jabs at grandma, but I am over it now. My wife tells me that I can never stay mad very long at anything or anybody. She is right. Somehow she seems to be able to hold a grudge forever. :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    a dig at toyota, IMO, for having most of the worst ratings in that particular study

    The point I tried to make in this post is that TMC didn't have "the worst ratings" for rear crashworthiness. It had the worst rear crashworthiness ratings among the subset of cars that had TOP marks for front and side crashworthiness.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    Oac, once you drive these a little I don't think you will need any advice. I predict you will fall in love with the Boxster. Gool luck and let us know. Pics if possible.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • Very good observation. That's why I have been saying for a long time that the MSRP on MB's and BMW's are completely meaningless, when the companies are subsidizing lease residual to the tune of thousands, if not tens of thousands, of dollars. It's just shifting money from one pocket to another within the company itself, nothing to do with what the car actually fetches in the market place.
  • the bottom line is that Toyota/Lexus's OVERALL rating is now officially lower...

    Keep spinning. IIHS introduced a new criteria that practically snags everyone except for perhaps a few Swedish models. How does that affect the relative ranking of Lexus vs. MB vs. BMW at all??
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The LS460L is simply the more luxury version of the LS

    Not exactly. The significant difference is that the L stands for long wheelbase. The S550 is a long wheelbase vehicle by default, so when comparing the LS to the S550, the LS460L is the logical choice.

    The long wheelbase model will perform differently, so the test comparo data would be more meaningful and revealing of the true differences between the models had the LS460L been used.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Keep spinning. IIHS introduced a new criteria that practically snags everyone except for perhaps a few Swedish models. How does that affect the relative ranking of Lexus vs. MB vs. BMW at all??

    You keep spinning. Be brighter, brightness.

    the bottom line is that Toyota/Lexus's OVERALL rating is now officially lower..

    That statement means lower overall as compared to its own previous rating prior to the additional criteria. It is the additional study's results that lowered Toyota's overall rating... relative to itself, not other vehicles.

    It is entirely possible for a vehicle to get a lower score than it previously had and still be ahead of some others. In this case, that is exactly what has happened to Toyota/Lexus. This is not hard to understand.

    TagMan
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,067
    The problem with this, which I know you understand but refuse to acknowledge, is that the 460L is not yet available to be tested. The only thing we have seen is the butcher job C&D did on the pre production car. There were many clues there that told you that this car was not up to Lexus standards.

    This test was misleading and worse than meaningless. Please hold off on your crowing until a real LS 460L can be compared.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    syswei,
    Your perspective is fine, but I think some of the others may have misunderstood the meaning of the article's bottom line.

    The bottom line is the same and will not change no matter what any of us say.

    Due specifically to it's bad showing in the latest study, Toyota/Lexus's newest overall rating has become lower than it used to be. That's just the way it is.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    This test was misleading and worse than meaningless. Please hold off on your crowing until a real LS 460L can be compared.

    I think everyone here looks forward to all the comps. The more the better, as it will give us all a broader consensus view of the differences between these HELCs.

    Some negative attributes of the LS appear to be true already, but certainly it will be interesting to see if the future tests redeem those issues somehow. I have no problem with that. I'm good with whatever the results are... even if they ultimately suggest that the LS460L kicks the S550 in the butt, although I personally doubt that it ever will. It won't bother me a bit. I'm not going to buy an LS no matter what the test results, so if they are horrible or great, no problem for me. I do believe, however, that those results might help others to make an important purchase decision.

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Mercedes-Benz has some phenomenal lease rates featured on their website - perhaps even more competitive than BMW's

    Yup and so does Lexus as Blkhemi pointed out:

    Now that $459/mth '06 LS430 sounds extremely good right about now....

    Unfortunately I was not able to get a good lease deal or a purchase price discount on my BMW335i.

    I envy you folks down south for your great auto deals. Here in Canada we have higher MSRPs, higher invoice pricing and not so tempting lease terms when compared to the USA. Here in Canada it is tough to get deals on cars like the MB CL, SL, BMW 6 Series and ofcourse the MB S Class since these cars have very low dealer turn rates . In fact the only cars that sell faster than these luxury cars are Yarises, Fits and Accents.

    Good luck in trying to get a good deal among the above mentioned cars. Especially if you are Canadian :(
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Time to cross the border. ;)
    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Unfortunately if I request a Green Card for a US car deal I will immediately be rejected. ;)

    And buying the car from the USA and bringing it to Canada can be a real headache. Duty/customs costs in terms of time and money, warranty issues and metric conversions.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    How 'bout a permanent move to the good 'ol USA?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Eh are you kidding ? I love the snow and ice up here too much. Unless I move to Alaska ;)
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    With the melting pot California has now become, you'd be a Canadian Hero amongst us. ;) Plenty of snow in the Sierras. World-class skiing. Nice thing is that if you get tired of the snow and ice, you can drive a few hours and be back at the beach... or the other way around. :)
    TagMan
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