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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The S for me remains a possibility, in AWD trim, along with the A8; I'll decide once AWD is available on the LS460.

    When do you anticipate purchasing a HELC?

    You have it narrowed down to the S550, A8, and the LS460?...or LS460L?

    TagMan
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    If the LS is available in AWD in late 2007, then probably late 2007. Whether LS460 or 460L depends on options packaging at that time. Next gen 7 series, if offered AWD, might be a possibility, but my inclination is not to purchase a German car so early in its lifecycle. Will there be a new Q45 out by then and will it be AWD? If so, that might be a possibility too.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Why AWD?

    Do you live in a rural snowy and mountainous ?

    Snow can never stop me from buying RWD. But fortunately I live in a city with no mountains.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    From what I understand, there is indeed supposed to be a new 2008 Q from Infiniti, but I have not heard whether or not it will be available as AWD.

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    From what I understand, there is indeed supposed to be a new 2008 Q from Infiniti, but I have not heard whether or not it will be available as AWD.

    Yeah, considering how close the next Q supposedly is, its surprising that there's still basically no information on it. No concept art, nothing. Apparently they want to keep this one a secret until the last minute.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Southwestern CT. Enough snow that I want AWD. Even in an RX300 AWD I almost slid off the road once.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Since every Infiniti model(other than the dated Q) is available with AWD there really should be no reason why the new Q will not have AWD.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Understandable.

    I drove around Vermont during winter with my RWD BMW and it was quite a scary experience.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    What's snow?
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    What I meant was Toyota's goal.

    They once again lagged behind the old laggert, GM, albeit not very far off of the mark. The crushed Ford again.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    The next Q is supposed to get a new-gen AWD system that will be a variation of the current one used in the G35/M35x's.

    So Syswei, Lexus pulled out all of the stops with their AWD system by developing a very sophisticated system with a very Audi-like Torsen center diff. Supposed to be the best on the market behind, you guessed it, the A8.

    Hopefully they'll release the technology down to the 460 models also.
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,018
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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Glad you agree but...I do think you like the S driver's seat better.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    No Doc. It really doesn't bug me. I enjoy watching you defend the Lexus position....fruitless, but enjoyable, just the same. ;)
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Since you choose not to share my fruit, you will never know how sweet, my friend!

    Glad you enjoy the show! Catch you here tomorrow.

    Same Lexus time. Same Lexus Station! ;)

    So long!

    DrFill
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "Whether one chooses any of the five is probably 90% subjective."

    Uhh... no.
    Not when the objective evidence shows that:

    1. C&D couldn't duplicate the Lexus LS460 numbers for 0-60 mph time, among other accelleration numbers; all too slow.

    2. The braking distance numbers for the LS460 as reported by C&D are cause for concern (even the devout Lexbyterians among us admit this).
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Probably serving time somewhere for price-gouging.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Come on now, syswei. Everybody knows the "he said, she said" cutesy "reviews" of those 2 folks in the Detroit News cannot be taken seriously. Wasn't "she" the only one on the planet who reviewed the new MDX recently and didn't like it?
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    C&D couldn't duplicate the Lexus numbers for 0-60 mph time

    C&D also couldn't duplicate something else: the weight of the car. They listed the LS460L's curb weight at 4700 lb. Lexus puts it at 4332 lb. Do you think Lexus is lying?

    Or do you think maybe the discrepancy could be due to the fact that C&D tested a pre-production car? And if so, do you think there might, just possibly, be other differences between pre-production and production versions of the LS?
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I don't know about that, doc. I for one am willing to let the fruit slowly ripen rather than throw it out prematurely.

    I agree with syswei that if Lexus says it will create a high-performance division, we should give them a chance and see what they can come up with.
    I did love the Toyota Supra once upon a time in yesteryear.

    They just may come up with some exciting vehicles with prices that would even make Steve gasp!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Sorry, but I don't think the driving dynamics of a pre-production and production vehicle should be all that different. Maybe the seats aren't as comfortable, but the brakes, steering, turning circle, acceleration and body lean should all be "ballpark."

    I trust C&D's findings far more than I would ever trust any car company's published data and that includes BMW as well as Lexus.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    C&D also couldn't duplicate something else: the weight of the car. They listed the LS460L's curb weight at 4700 lb. Lexus puts it at 4332 lb. Do you think Lexus is lying?

    Unfortunately there was a 368 lb. fat man in the back seat eating a hamburger and listening to the Mark Levinson stereo.

    They couldn't eject the guy from the car... So they ran the tests anyway.

    This further explains why the car was so slow and the brakes were so bad.

    :P

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "Toyota already has an established relationship with Lotus, for example, and they know suspensions."

    Sure they do. Look what Lotus did to poor cervical spine injury dude.

    Anyhow, still waiting to give Lexus the benefit of the doubt on this one since up to now, they have primarily been manufacturing luxury vehicles, ON PURPOSE!

    A new Lexus division devoted exclusively to high-end performance vehicles should not be taken lightly, IMO.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,663
    Snow: A natural (and man-made) substance that forces me to drive in a generally slow, more-controlled manner with the goal of staying in a straight line and avoiding any newfound irregularities in the road.

    Ultimately up a mountain road so that I can strap on some 175cm plastic/wood/fiberglass/metal sticks to my feet, which are entombed in heavy plastic/fabric/metal boots. So that I may hurtle down an even higher elevation on the aforementioned beautiful natural and man-made substance in a seemingly uncontrolled manner. Often seeking out surface irregularities and rarely skiing in a straight line. And very fast but for the most part, like driving, in control! And unlike while driving my car in the snow, I will intentionally head into the woods!

    I enjoy driving, even in the snow. I love skiing, especially in the snow! Long live Northern New England!!!

    Any questions?

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I think Lexus should spend less time on creating bad commercials (although Cadillac's condescendingly stupid navigation spot is the worst auto commercial I have ever seen) and more time on getting their numbers straight.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I think Lexus should spend less time on creating bad commercials ... and more time on getting their numbers straight.

    Just think what it would be like if people were to constantly praise themselves the way Lexus praises itself (especially the halftime show, eh?), the words conceit and self- admiration would fall short by a country mile.

    So, tell me...does Lexus actually know the true weight of their cars or not?

    TagMan
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    BTW the exterior styling of the S is definitely growing on me. I view it as distinctive-looking and preferable (exterior-wise) to the LS. Even with the wheel arches, which I still don't care for. Still haven't driven one, though. The S for me remains a possibility, in AWD trim, along with the A8; I'll decide once AWD is available on the LS460.

    I remember you saying something about the reliability of the S when you were looking at the Q7? Are you hearing anything about the S at the dealer level as far as reliability goes?

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Glad you agree but...I do think you like the S driver's seat better.

    Better than the A8? Maybe, maybe not. I think each respective seat fits the character of the car. The A8 is just so sheek and modern while the Mercedes is more classic luxury brought up to date.

    I do know that that the S and A8 are my favorite sedans in this segment by far right now. The next 7 has got to be better looking in order to get on the list. Blkhemi has one hell of a garage, but I'd have a S8 and a CL550 to balance things out.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I seriously doubt a pre-production car would add 400lbs to the curb weight. As a matter of fact I know it wouldn't. The discrepancy is that the LS460L tested was loaded with options including whichever one takes up trunk space. I see people on the LS board talking about this, which option are they talking about? Plus C&D weighs cars fully gassed so their numbers are always going to be more than the manufacturer's number.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Probably serving time somewhere for price-gouging.

    I sure hate he isn't hear to see this. He went on and on about how Lexus should match BMW and Audi in price and they did just that, but still staying below Mercedes, though not by as much as in previous years. He got exactly what he wanted.

    M
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